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fidjim2013 |
Posted on 27-02-2015 05:13
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
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So stupid. I thought it was amazing PR by E3 organisers. Killjoys.
Really? You don't see the problem with this misogynistic ad, what Sagan did last year was a disgrace that shouldn't be tolerated and then for the organisers to try and profit of what could be classed as sexual assault is worse. Good on the UCI for kicking up a fuss
Since when admiring beauty of womens body is misognystic? And on that poster the cyclist's hand isnt even touching the butt. I thought it was a great way to gain the attention of people who wouldn't watch the race had they not seen this intriguing poster and the origin of why it has been done (Sagan 2013). I guess the political correctness virus strikes again.
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Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-02-2015 06:38
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No no no there's just so many things wrong with that as an advert for E3.
1) The Sagan incident wasn't even E3, it was Tour of Flanders
Basically this is E3 trying to piggyback off the popularity of a separate race, using the single most controversial incident from said race in at least a decade. Smart...
2) It has nothing to do with cycling
E3 is a good race! It has so much to chose from in an ad campagin. The cobbles, the stars, the history, the scenery etc etc Instead they dive straight for lowest demographic of "sex sells"
3) Cyclings issues of Gender Equality
Ever more highlighted in modern culture is the issue of feminism. Not going into all of that bollocks but cycling has some hefty questions to answer. Again i won't go into the all the details but the UCI/ASO/etc are far from shining examples of progressive organizations
Sexual Assult is certainly a level too far to call it. But it's extremely disrespectful to the podium girl from Flanders, to the extent it could be classed as workplace harrassment. It's luck E3 doesn't run a direct Womens event otherwise that race would be f*cking empty this year.
There's Political Correctness being overdone, i won't argue that. But in this instance it's a poor advert done in such bad taste i can't believe someone even approved it (it was probably a guy, in his 50's/60's, who calls his secretary "sugar"... Don Draper! That's who made this advert!)
Nope
Spoiler 1)So lets say british races organisers cant use Wiggins or Froome with pictures in yellow jersey from Tour, since it happened in France and in different race. They would be just piggybacking on the success of another race and his fame.
That would be stupid of course, since that is main PR and advert weapon, to use things that are actually well known and people can easily identify them.
2)E3 race organisers have long history of using women (and not always fully dressed) on their posters and they also were confronted wwith it back in 2011, so they reacted by funny poster of fancy granny in 2012, they just like to troll and fight the evil of political correctness i can only admire it.
It is their right to use whatever they want to promote their race, of course it cant be against the law or anything. Girls in knickers are not illegal iirc....
3)What? First, you should realize, that absence of women events or close to 0 popularity of women cycling races come from people dont care much about women cycling, it is not attractive to them as a sport. It is not because of their rights are not equal with man, that is one big bullshit, that has nothing to do with reality.
It is similar in many sports, but the reason is not sexism, it is different entertainment value of these event. Actually what is sexist, is when you watch women cycling or any other women sport just because they are women in it. I watch races that have better quality and drama for me and not because they have penises instead of vaginas, but because i like it more...
That sentence with guy in his 50s or 60s, that is you just using another stereotype, thing you are here fighting against. I know these people exist and i hate sexist pig bosses, but there is also one side of this - people in this age have the experience from the time when world has actual problems to be solved, not first world "problems" of internet feminists and their mind-slaves with penises.
I would not react with such a long post if it wasnt you and you exaxctly TMM to post this, because i sense abnormal hipocrisy level.
You are the usually the first to drool over any girl pic use on the forum, you are the one with several chicks posters in your signature. I suppose these are there because they are good actresses, not at all as object of sexual desire?
Iirc you are also pretty big fan of How i met your mother show, the most sexist and fecal jokes show recently produced and now you are the judge in this case? Laughable
I have 12years long relationship with single woman and i work with 7 ladies only, while i know how to threat a woman with respect, not sure from how many experiences with adult women you come from to judge. Believe me, i am usually the one who is the target of these kind of jokes and i am not writing a letter to Brusel because of it.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 27-02-2015 06:55
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CountArach |
Posted on 27-02-2015 07:29
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My God, I can't believe people are defending having that poster. Ridiculous.
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Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-02-2015 07:45
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And i cant believe that somebody can live without sense of humour, it has to be sad to see offenses and assaults on every corner.
But we are heavy OT,so here is my last reaction.
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Atlantius |
Posted on 27-02-2015 08:00
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To speak about real news:
According to l'Equipe the UCI will try to remove Astana's WT-license following the doping report from ISSUL.
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Wilier |
Posted on 27-02-2015 08:54
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Bad publicity is also publicity. E3 poster already fulfilled it's purpose. It got loads of attention. |
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wogsrus |
Posted on 27-02-2015 09:13
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Atlantius wrote:
To speak about real news:
According to l'Equipe the UCI will try to remove Astana's WT-license following the doping report from ISSUL.
https://www.sbs.co...na-licence
This has been confirmed. This will now get very interesting. |
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Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 27-02-2015 09:38
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Astana deserves it just for the Hungarian RR champion jersey on Nibbles. |
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TheManxMissile |
Posted on 27-02-2015 09:52
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TheManxMissile wrote:
2) It has nothing to do with cycling
E3 is a good race! It has so much to chose from in an ad campagin. The cobbles, the stars, the history, the scenery etc etc Instead they dive straight for lowest demographic of "sex sells"[quote]
[quote]Avin Wargunnson wrote:
1)So lets say british races organisers cant use Wiggins or Froome with pictures in yellow jersey from Tour, since it happened in France and in different race.
So that's your point #1 dealt with nice and cleanly. A race is perfectly within it's right to base advertising on the big name riders taking part in the race, in fact for many races that's a great way to advertise and draw crowds. Hell it's at least half the reason riders go to events like San Luis!
However that E3 advert does not reference to any stars or racing. Ok the hand is wearing a cycling glove, a light blue one so i'm guessing Astana (because Astana needs more controersy ). Astana did win the TDF cobbled stage, so perhaps it's not quite as bad as is looks.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
2)E3 race organisers have long history of using women...
It is their right to use whatever they want to promote their race, of course it cant be against the law or anything. Girls in knickers are not illegal iirc....
Ludicrous comparision incoming - For a long time it wasn't illegal to judge a man based on the color of his skin or his sexuality and then racially abuse that man, or hurt him, or deny him basic human rights purely because he was a different race of sexuality. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it ok.
Back to the poster. Yes E3 has a history in this area, and actually i like the cheeky (excuse the pun) nature of them. It's nice to have something different around. But there is a difference between have cyclists riding over a woman and the implied harrassment/assult of this years image.
My complaints are not on the fact there's a pretty woman there, but on what the content is reffering to and the implications that raises. The podium girl was upset in 2013, and even Sagan came out and said he shouldn't have done it. But you know, apparently it's ok to laugh about it now. Ludicrous comparision incoming - Hey i saw this black man fall down today, it was hilarious! You know what was even funnier? I liked it so much i made another black man fall down just so i could laugh.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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I'm not going to quote the whole piece to make sure this doesn't get too long.
Like it or not modern feminism does come into this, in the same way it came into the incident in 2013. Yes a lot of the time it's completely f*cking blown overboard to point of idiocy, i will agree with that.
I guess by trying to stay away from the non-relative areas i didn't make my point clear. Like in many sports Cycling has parity issues between it's Mens and Womens sides. Yes different commercial interests will change the money available to each side, and Womens is less popular so will get less money/exposure/races/etc. I'm not an idiot i know all this.
I was alluding to some basic issues in the UCI which have been re-highlighted this week. Adverts for secretarial positions specifically target at women. A provision in the rules that "Six maids-of-honor who will carry on the World Champion jersey(s), medals, the trophy and bouquets of flowers". Basically all sports have podium girls, i don't have issue with that, but making it part of the rule-book as far as i'm aware is uniqe to cycling and completely f*cking nuts.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
You are the usually the first to drool over any girl pic use on the forum, you are the one with several chicks posters in your signature. I suppose these are there because they are good actresses, not at all as object of sexual desire?
Iirc you are also pretty big fan of How i met your mother show, the most sexist and fecal jokes show recently produced and now you are the judge in this case? Laughable
Thanks for making it personal first, fills me with confidence and a sense of righteousness knowing i've already won now, thanks
Yes i have them as avatars because i like them, i like the films and shows they've been in, and yes they are atractive. You know what? I guess i am a disgusting person i should probably go and find a way to scouer these impure thoughts from my mind immediately (i can't take this bit seriously, sorry).
I don't recal ever calling HIMYM particularly high-brow or anything, i know it's pretty basic and not that critically brilliant. A lot of the jokes arn't great and a number poke fun at women. Doesn't mean i can't enjoy it. I guess because i like Blazing Saddles i'm a racist as well. Christ i'm just a horrible person at heart. And now i've used the Lords name in vain, just insulting and attacking Christians! F*ck i just can't stop being a d*ck. Sh*t, a reference to male genitalia, clearly this is a sign of patriarchy overtaking my mind to exclusion and derision of all women, trans-genders and non-genders... f*ck.
Started off with some saliant points on the subject. E3 does have a history in this area and if you take the hand away and change the slogan it wouldn't be an issue. But the hand is there along with the slogan and it changes the whole situation from "sex sells" to promoting 50's style "harmless" groping.
To be clear, i'm not saying the past E3 ads are wrong. Nor am i saying this one is completly abhorent. But that it crosses over a line because of what it implies in a wider context.
And as an Ad it's doing a good job. Instead of focusing on Omloop or KBK column inches are being given over to E3. "Any publicity is good publicity" isn't quite something i agree with fully, but brand awareness for E3 has reached huge new high this week for sure.
And thanks again for going personal
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Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-02-2015 10:41
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Well, if your goal in internet discussion is to WIN, yeah, you have won. So enjoy it, should i bring the podium girls to the winning ceremony or rather pinch them in privacy?
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 27-02-2015 10:42
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TheManxMissile |
Posted on 27-02-2015 10:48
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Well, if your goal in internet discussion is to WIN, yeah, you have won. So enjoy it, should i bring the podium girls to the winning ceremony or rather pinch them in privacy?
Can i not charm them with my obvious wit on the podium, and then with full consent take them somewhere private for a pinch?
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Posted on 27-02-2015 10:53
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Nope, he lost.
Astana did win the TDF cobbled stage, so perhaps it's not quite as bad as is looks.
Belkin won, Astana 2nd and 3rd, I think 4th as well (might be wrong, haven't checked it) Yes, I know Boom has moved to Astana, but he was with Belkin then.
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Edited by trekbmc on 27-02-2015 11:04
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TheManxMissile |
Posted on 27-02-2015 10:56
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Yes i was referring to Boom the rider. In the sense that the World Champion is often used in advertising but if they move team is used in the new team jersey. He's moved team so would now be in Astana colors
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trekbmc |
Posted on 27-02-2015 10:59
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Yes i was referring to Boom the rider. In the sense that the World Champion is often used in advertising but if they move team is used in the new team jersey. He's moved team so would now be in Astana colors
Yeah, but technically...
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Strydz |
Posted on 27-02-2015 14:02
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@ Avin
You can call it hipster bullshit but 1. I am no Hipster and 2. I can see women as something other than a sex object. The promotors stuffed it up and its okay to admit that, it isn't about not having a sense of humour its about that they are promoting a behaviour that we should have long moved past by now.
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ianrussell |
Posted on 27-02-2015 14:05
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wogsrus wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
To speak about real news:
According to l'Equipe the UCI will try to remove Astana's WT-license following the doping report from ISSUL.
https://www.sbs.co...na-licence
This has been confirmed. This will now get very interesting.
A typically excellent insight on Inrng https://inrng.com/...more-23858
This is potentially huge. As in serious repercussions for a team and its riders for not towing the line on doping. There is plenty left in this tale but it could make both teams and riders (especially in terms of whom they consider riding for) genuinely think twice.
I'm not saying it's solving anything overnight but it could be a significant step in the right direction.
Watching this space...
Edited by ianrussell on 27-02-2015 14:08
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Strydz |
Posted on 27-02-2015 14:21
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ianrussell wrote:
wogsrus wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
To speak about real news:
According to l'Equipe the UCI will try to remove Astana's WT-license following the doping report from ISSUL.
https://www.sbs.co...na-licence
This has been confirmed. This will now get very interesting.
A typically excellent insight on Inrng https://inrng.com/...more-23858
This is potentially huge. As in serious repercussions for a team and its riders for not towing the line on doping. There is plenty left in this tale but it could make both teams and riders (especially in terms of whom they consider riding for) genuinely think twice.
I'm not saying it's solving anything overnight but it could be a significant step in the right direction.
Watching this space...
Cheers for the Inrng link, well summed up as per usual. I think they will still have trouble withdrawing the licence as its hard to predict which way CAS will fall on this, looks like a stronger case than the UCI had with Katusha (more to do with Makarov than anything else) but I still see it as 50/50 if they will succeed in getting rid of Astana. I see them demanding changes within the organisation but removing them won't happen this season, hopefully I'm wrong on that as it would be good to see the back of this team and the Conti squad aswell and then they can move onto getting some other very shady characters out of the sport like Riis, Ochowicz and the list could go on and on and on and on
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ianrussell |
Posted on 27-02-2015 14:37
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Strydz wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
wogsrus wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
To speak about real news:
According to l'Equipe the UCI will try to remove Astana's WT-license following the doping report from ISSUL.
https://www.sbs.co...na-licence
This has been confirmed. This will now get very interesting.
A typically excellent insight on Inrng https://inrng.com/...more-23858
This is potentially huge. As in serious repercussions for a team and its riders for not towing the line on doping. There is plenty left in this tale but it could make both teams and riders (especially in terms of whom they consider riding for) genuinely think twice.
I'm not saying it's solving anything overnight but it could be a significant step in the right direction.
Watching this space...
Cheers for the Inrng link, well summed up as per usual. I think they will still have trouble withdrawing the licence as its hard to predict which way CAS will fall on this, looks like a stronger case than the UCI had with Katusha (more to do with Makarov than anything else) but I still see it as 50/50 if they will succeed in getting rid of Astana. I see them demanding changes within the organisation but removing them won't happen this season, hopefully I'm wrong on that as it would be good to see the back of this team and the Conti squad aswell and then they can move onto getting some other very shady characters out of the sport like Riis, Ochowicz and the list could go on and on and on and on
Impossible to know how things will shake out but, as stated in the Inrng piece, it seems the UCI have taken their time to be sure on this and common sense on their part would suggest they think they have a very good case...of course that assumes that common sense has indeed been applied...
Making that (big) assumption leaves you with the License Commision acting relatively swiftly and then a highly likely appeal to the CAS which will take a few months but again the UCI must be fairly confident about that to take this step.
Again drawing from the article this is as overt as it gets following criticism of previous inaction and is effectively taking on the Kazakhstan establishment. One sure thing, the legal world is about to get that bit richer.
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Alakagom |
Posted on 27-02-2015 14:59
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CCC with aspiration to become WT team. They are paying 3.1 million already for the PCT team, but now are ending ties with basketball sponsorship and are fully focusing on the cycling team.
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Strydz |
Posted on 27-02-2015 15:36
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Interesting reply to a post in the comments section by The Inner Ring
February 27, 2015 at 11:36 am
Anonymous:
Would be great if Specialized just walked away
Then the reply
February 27, 2015 at 11:43 am
The Inner Ring:
There is speculation in L’Equipe that Specialized could place Nibali with Etixx-Quickstep given the contractual links.
Now that is an interesting ide
Also in the news Allesandro Ballan gets his 2 year suspension reduced by five months for Ozone Therapy https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/repor...ive-months
Edited by Strydz on 27-02-2015 15:51
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