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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-08-2014 14:33
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Well, his backup stats are quite weak too, which makes me think 79SP could work, especially with Demare, Degenkolb and Bouhanni being on 80.
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| Dusen |
Posted on 26-08-2014 14:36
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Jesleyh wrote:
Well, his backup stats are quite weak too, which makes me think 79SP could work, especially with Demare, Degenkolb and Bouhanni being on 80.
Maybe focus should be put on his backup stats then  ?
Should he be higher in some of them. If i remember correctly he is a pretty tuff sprinter, he can get over some hills and can contest sprints trough a whole Grand Tour.(giro 2014) |
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| Naskela |
Posted on 26-08-2014 14:38
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Nizzolo showed in Vattenfall he can handle long distances so perhaps upping his endurance/stamina and leave his sprint like it is? If i remember correctly his endurance is 73 (?) He is a more classics sprinter than a pure sprinter in my opinion.
Edited by Naskela on 26-08-2014 14:43
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-08-2014 14:45
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One flat race can hardly consitute to upping stamina. I mean EBH got 2nd place at Worlds, yet everyone knows his stamina over 200km in 90% of races is just a joke.
Anyhow Nizzolo should have more than 73 (if he has 73 now), 74/75, not much more though.
Edited by Alakagom on 26-08-2014 14:46
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| Naskela |
Posted on 26-08-2014 14:54
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Alakagom wrote:
One flat race can hardly consitute to upping stamina. I mean EBH got 2nd place at Worlds, yet everyone knows his stamina over 200km in 90% of races is just a joke.
Anyhow Nizzolo should have more than 73 (if he has 73 now), 74/75, not much more though.
Well i kind of agree but he was pretty strong in Plouay last year as well and he didn't race that many classics this year so his two finished classics for the last two years resulted in two second places.
He had four second places in the giro as well.... hes even worse than Sagan 
Edited by Naskela on 26-08-2014 14:57
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| espolin |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:00
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I think Kristoff should have better acc. LOT'S of victories this year; SanRemo, 2 in TdF, Vattenfall, All the norwegian races, Rund om den Finanzplatz, Oman etc. I think he should have Sprint: 81
Acc: 80
Cobble: 79
Stamina: 80/79
Also Sondre Holst Enger.
Sprint :73-75
Acc: 75
Hill: 73
He almost beat Kristoff in UnoX-Tour of Norway and lot's of other good results. (Bronze on U23 WC 2013 in firenze)
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| espolin |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:02
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Adam yates should have better in moutain in my opinion. 77 maybe? Also Geriant Thomas.
Mountain:74
Hill:76 |
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| Dusen |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:04
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I believe Kristoff already has 81SP
Be careful not to overthink the you guns, remember what kind of competition they are riding against sometimes, all respect for norweigan races, but it isn't World Tour lvl. |
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| Naskela |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:04
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espolin wrote:
I think Kristoff should have better acc. LOT'S of victories this year; SanRemo, 2 in TdF, Vattenfall, All the norwegian races, Rund om den Finanzplatz, Oman etc. I think he should have Sprint: 81
Acc: 80
Cobble: 79
Stamina: 80/79
Also Sondre Holst Enger.
Sprint :73-75
Acc: 75
Hill: 73
He almost beat Kristoff in UnoX-Tour of Norway and lot's of other good results. (Bronze on U23 WC 2013 in firenze)
Im not so sure, his acceleration isn't really that good. but something that has to happen is his recovery (76) he have raced insane amount of races this year and manage to get results in almost every race.
Edited by Naskela on 26-08-2014 15:06
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| Avicii |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:10
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What do you think Magnus Cort from Cult Energy should have in stats. In every single stat? He was close to beat Kristoff i a norwegian race. Yesterday he came second behind the big sprinter talent Caleb Ewan? He almost win everything he participates in!
Edited by Avicii on 26-08-2014 15:11
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:16
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Well, he's currently on 72HI, 70SP, 73ACC and 78FTR. He definitely has a great season, but he isn't exactly ''winning everything he participates in'', so 74 or 75HI would really be too high, 72HI already makes him one of the better punchers in the CT division.
Plus, he has 7 potential, so he'll develop very well anyway.
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| espolin |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:23
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Dusen wrote:
I believe Kristoff already has 81SP
Be careful not to overthink the you guns, remember what kind of competition they are riding against sometimes, all respect for norweigan races, but it isn't World Tour lvl.
Well he have won 2 TdF stages and 2nd in three (Champs Elysee). Milano San Remo. Vattenfall classics. Oman against very good sprinters. He beat Degenkolb in Rund om den Finanzplaz. And also Kittel in Arctc race (I know kittel wasn't in shape) This shows that he beats the best. I have fixed it in my db so that I'm satisfied, so it's not too big of a deal, just wanted to leave my opinion for future updates (: |
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| espolin |
Posted on 26-08-2014 15:24
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Naskela wrote:
espolin wrote:
I think Kristoff should have better acc. LOT'S of victories this year; SanRemo, 2 in TdF, Vattenfall, All the norwegian races, Rund om den Finanzplatz, Oman etc. I think he should have Sprint: 81
Acc: 80
Cobble: 79
Stamina: 80/79
Also Sondre Holst Enger.
Sprint :73-75
Acc: 75
Hill: 73
He almost beat Kristoff in UnoX-Tour of Norway and lot's of other good results. (Bronze on U23 WC 2013 in firenze)
Im not so sure, his acceleration isn't really that good. but something that has to happen is his recovery (76) he have raced insane amount of races this year and manage to get results in almost every race.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:04
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Jesleyh wrote:
All stats mentioned here will be considered and applied to the V1.2(so in the bugfix we'll bring out shortly) if we agree.
Edit:
A small question we figured we could ask you guys here:
Is Nizzolo worth 78 or 79SP, in your opinions? We already moved Bouhanni to 80 for the next update, if that helps.
@Matt
Trust us, we've spend a lot of time getting the potentials right, yeah, we tested Ewan and Senechal, though it's impossible to control PCM development fully, unless you assign everyone limits, which, in our opinion, isn't fun.
Ok, thank you.
For nizzolo, yeah, think 79 with 78 acc. should suit.
He went second in too many races. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:06
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Martin Martin should have like 67 sprint.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:14
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Dan? Yeah, is on 68SP in the V1.2.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:16
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I'd up some acc stats for sprinters...
Greipel's 79 is too low and Kristoff 78, too.
I'd say 81-80
And Matthews on 78-78 SP-ACC as well
Edited by matt17br on 26-08-2014 17:18
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:18
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Those guys just don't have a big acceleration in real cycling sprints, so that's why their ACC stats are somewhat lower.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:21
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Jesleyh wrote:
Those guys just don't have a big acceleration in real cycling sprints, so that's why their ACC stats are somewhat lower.
Hmm, well, in the real life MAYBE they aren't fast.
But I always thought that in PCM there must be always a good balance between SP and ACC.
If not +2 points in acc each, I would say at least 1.
Cavendish and Kittel already have both 83, it would be very difficuòt for Greipel and kristoff to beat one of them.
Anyway, For Matthews i still would consider a +1 in Sprint or, at least a +1 in HI.
Same for Hofland (mainly in SP)
Edited by matt17br on 26-08-2014 17:23
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:24
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ACC in PCM is about how long can someone sprint, not about how fast they can accelerate. Guy with 80/80 should sprint few hundred meters more on full gas than someone who has 80/70 f.e..
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