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La Fleche Wallonne 2014
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 23-04-2014 16:54
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alexkr00 wrote:
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Arredondo is all but "new Colombian". 
What exactly has he done that makes him "old"?
I never said "old", but definitely not "new". Well, here are some of his better results in this and past few years:
- 2014 Tirreno Adriatico - 5th GC
- 2013 Tour de Langkawi - 1st GC
- 2014 GP Camaiore - 3rd
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 4th GC
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 2nd KoM
- 2014 Tour de San Luis Stage 6 - 1st
- 2013 Tour of Japan - 2nd GC
- Few stage and GC wins in some 1.2 and 2.2 races.
I guess these results are enough to at least know his name. And being a part of one UWT team such as Trek should be another reason, also. Of course, I am not judging someone that doesn't know him, opposite actually, but being 25 y/o, winning 2.HC race, finishing in Top 5 in UWT race such as Tirreno is enough for me and everyone who's following cycling closely.
Ybodonk - I apologize if you found my post offensive, I definitely didn't want to sound rude, arrogant or anything similar.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 23-04-2014 17:00
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admirschleck wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Arredondo is all but "new Colombian".
What exactly has he done that makes him "old"?
I never said "old", but definitely not "new". Well, here are some of his better results in this and past few years:
- 2014 Tirreno Adriatico - 5th GC
- 2013 Tour de Langkawi - 1st GC
- 2014 GP Camaiore - 3rd
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 4th GC
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 2nd KoM
- 2014 Tour de San Luis Stage 6 - 1st
- 2013 Tour of Japan - 2nd GC
- Few stage and GC wins in some 1.2 and 2.2 races.
I guess these results are enough to at least know his name. And being a part of one UWT team such as Trek should be another reason, also. Of course, I am not judging someone that doesn't know him, opposite actually, but being 25 y/o, winning 2.HC race, finishing in Top 5 in UWT race such as Tirreno is enough for me and everyone who's following cycling closely.
Ybodonk - I apologize if you found my post offensive, I definitely didn't want to sound rude, arrogant or anything similar.
The only impressive result that is as important as today's performance is the 5th place in Tirreno. Which was achieved last month. So new 
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 23-04-2014 17:01
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Same old boring Fleche and Amstel, when I first stated watching these races in the 90s they were usually amonsgt the most exciting on the calendar. Now it's just always the same with the peloton catching every break and riding hard to the final climb and then its just a mad sprint to the finish. Surely they can make these races exciting again, admittedly the Amstel Gold is a bit better to watch these days the the Fleche.
I understand why they do multiple climbs of the Mur and Cauberg to get maximum attention, the concept works in the Flanders but not in the Ardennes, here's hoping they make some route changes to these races, though I doubt it.
Also would be good if some game designers made some variations of these races to prevent the peloton arriving en-masse to the finish.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 23-04-2014 17:01
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 23-04-2014 17:02
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alexkr00 wrote:
The only impressive result that is as important as today's performance is the 5th place in Tirreno. Which was achieved last month. So new
I watch a bit more than just UWT races, so I actually know him from Langkawi last year. So old
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 23-04-2014 18:39
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admirschleck wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Arredondo is all but "new Colombian".
What exactly has he done that makes him "old"?
I never said "old", but definitely not "new". Well, here are some of his better results in this and past few years:
- 2014 Tirreno Adriatico - 5th GC
- 2013 Tour de Langkawi - 1st GC
- 2014 GP Camaiore - 3rd
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 4th GC
- 2014 Tour de San Luis - 2nd KoM
- 2014 Tour de San Luis Stage 6 - 1st
- 2013 Tour of Japan - 2nd GC
- Few stage and GC wins in some 1.2 and 2.2 races.
I guess these results are enough to at least know his name. And being a part of one UWT team such as Trek should be another reason, also. Of course, I am not judging someone that doesn't know him, opposite actually, but being 25 y/o, winning 2.HC race, finishing in Top 5 in UWT race such as Tirreno is enough for me and everyone who's following cycling closely.
Ybodonk - I apologize if you found my post offensive, I definitely didn't want to sound rude, arrogant or anything similar.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-04-2014 19:35
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OH my God! When I was watching the final 10 KM I was disappointed Martin was nowhere. And then he almost won! Just comes up short. Would have won me a lot of PCM $, but I am very confident now ahead of LBL. Again he loses Fleche perhaps do to poor positioning going into the final. But like last year it looks great for Liege.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 23-04-2014 20:28
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ruben wrote:
Fastest Mur de Huy climb in history
Mur de Huy
2014:1 km@11,1%---2:41---average speed 22.36 km/h(Alejandro Valverde)-RECORD
2013:1 km@11,1%---2:48---average speed 21.43 km/h(Daniel Moreno)
2012:1 km@11,1%---3:00---average speed 20.00 km/h(Joaquim Rodriguez)
2011:1 km@11,1%---2:44---average speed 21.95 km/h(Philippe Gilbert)
2010:1 km@11,1%---2:45---average speed 21.82 km/h(Evans-Rodriguez-Contador)
2009:1 km@11,1%---2:46---average speed 21.67 km/h(Davide Rebellin)
2008:1 km@11,1%---3:02---average speed 19.78 km/h(Kim Kirchen)
2007:1 km@11,1%---2:45---average speed 21.82 km/h(Davide Rebellin)
2006:1 km@11,1%---2:51---average speed 21.05 km/h(Valverde-S.Sanchez-Kroon-F.Schleck)
2005:1 km@11,1%---3:01---average speed 19.89 km/h(Di Luca-Kirchen-Rebellin)
2004:1 km@11,1%---2:46---average speed 21.67 km/h(Davide Rebellin)
2003:1 km@11,1%---3:20---average speed 18.00 km/h(Igor Astarloa)
2002:1 km@11,1%---2:59---average speed 20.11 km/h(Frigo-D.Etxebarria-Boogerd)
---3:13---average speed 18.65 km/h(Mario Aerts)
2001:1 km@11,1%---3:00---average speed 20.00 km/h(D.Etxebarria-Casagrande-Frigo-Rebellin-Boogerd-Luttenberger)
---3:14---average speed 18.56 km/h(Rik Verbrugghe)
1999:1 km@11,1%---3:36---average speed 16.66 km/h(Michele Bartoli)
1998:1 km@11,1%---3:11---average speed 18.85 km/h(Bo Hamburger)
1997:1 km@11,1%---3:10---average speed 18.95 km/h(Laurent Jalabert)
1996:1 km@11,1%---3:03---average speed 19.67 km/h(Lance Armstrong)
1994:1 km@11,1%---3:12---average speed 18.75 km/h(Argentin-Furlan)
1993:1 km@11,1%---3:39---average speed 16.44 km/h(Maurizio Fondriest)
1989:1 km@11,1%---3:31---average speed 17.06 km/h(Claude Criquielion)
1988:1 km@11,1%---3:47---average speed 15.86 km/h(Rolf Golz)
1986:1 km@11,1%---3:42---average speed 16.22 km/h(Laurent Fignon)
1985:1 km@11,1%---3:31---average speed 17.06 km/h(Claude Criquielion)
So that means even Mollema would have been equal to 2011 Gilbert
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-04-2014 20:54
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I agree it's a very strange year. Those records, Contador, Valverde are world beaters. Sky is acting weird |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 23-04-2014 21:14
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Indeed, Contador and Valverde and not forgetting Cunego going well too (other than crashing today ofc) after years in the wilderness...
Short climbs here of course but it's a veritable whose who of ethics  |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-04-2014 21:16
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Hmmm maybe Martin will win this Fleche yet.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 23-04-2014 21:18
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Hmmm maybe Martin will win this Fleche yet.
Unlikely.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-04-2014 21:20
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valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Hmmm maybe Martin will win this Fleche yet.
Unlikely.
I don't know Valverde seems to have gotten some extra special sauce on his burger this year.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 23-04-2014 21:26
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baseballlover312 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Hmmm maybe Martin will win this Fleche yet.
Unlikely.
I don't know Valverde seems to have gotten some extra special sauce on his burger this year.
Nothing wrong with a bit of ketchup
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| Shonak |
Posted on 23-04-2014 23:23
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Aquarius wrote:
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
Nothing reassuring, actually.
Sure, it always sparks curiosity and doubt when a new record time is set, but I wouldn't say those records were crushed. 3 seconds, that's like... nothing. The EPO times were slower, yes, but it'd be weird for a sport to not improve it's discipline and times, especially on such short climbs. Cycling would be stagnating otherwise. Neither would I say Contador has found a second youth, guy is still 31.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 00:41
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Shonak wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
Nothing reassuring, actually.
Sure, it always sparks curiosity and doubt when a new record time is set, but I wouldn't say those records were crushed. 3 seconds, that's like... nothing. The EPO times were slower, yes, but it'd be weird for a sport to not improve it's discipline and times, especially on such short climbs. Cycling would be stagnating otherwise. Neither would I say Contador has found a second youth, guy is still 31.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 24-04-2014 00:46
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Yup. I didn't want to say it because it's the usual marginal gain stuff, but bike and training methods are improving. If they wouldn't, some people in charge would be severely disqualified.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 24-04-2014 10:56
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Yeah, technological advances that are nigh-on impossible to make due to UCI regulations have given more of an advantage than a wide array of doping methods. Sounds right to me.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 24-04-2014 11:23
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Uhm, yeah, of course, bikes are better now than they were in the EPO times. If technological advancement is solely good enough to compensate for doping, I don't know, how should I? I never rode a bike by Armstrong, Rebellin or Valverde's current one, and neither did I ever dope. I don't list it as the sole reason for this development, just one amongst many possible explanations and reasons, some of them include doping too.
Also, isn't this whole thread about people complaining that nothing happens in this race and that in the good old times everything was more exciting? Riders just know they have to save their legs for the Mur. No favourites attack, no reason to react. I like to think I'm faster too when I save my energy for a specific moment, especially when it's a climb like the Mur de Huy, where you just go full-throttle for a kilometer and then whoever has it in his legs, has the win.
Edited by Shonak on 24-04-2014 11:35
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-04-2014 11:23
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Aquarius wrote:
I'm not sure what's going around when both the Cauberg and Huy's record get crushed, even heavily-EPO'ed times, in the space of 4 weeks, and that Contador seems to have found a second youth.
Nothing reassuring, actually.
What worries me is that the young Dutch actually compete with these guys (Poels in pays vasco with contador/valverde, Slagter/Mollema in these classics). So they must be on the same stuff.
The French however are dissapearing as fast as they appeared. Poor guys. Probably clean (I'm dead serious, not sarcastic or cynic) |
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-04-2014 11:29
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Then again this is predictable. Sky started an arms race and you could expect other teams to not stay behind |
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