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Who to expect in the Vuelta?
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-07-2013 15:40
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I dunno what to make of Gesink this year.
Last year he had a pretty decent comeback from his broken leg with 1st california, 4th Suisse (23 seconds off Costa) and 6th Vuelta.
But this year has been pretty bad. He was good in february. In PN he abandoned ill. In Catalunya 6th (decent). Terrible in Romandie, good for only 1 week in the Giro, and finally abandoned ill. And half-decent in the Tour as domestique.
But put together it's an awful year in terms of results. Even worse than 2012. I think he has definitely lost his climbing ability which he had before. He'll either need to refocus on that in the winter and try to get back to that level next year, or just put aside his ambitions for the grand tours and focus on small tours and classics, and become a helper in GT's.
I fear any potential he had before the leg-break is gone |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 21-07-2013 16:11
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Seems like Fuglsang will be riding la Vuelta, so Nibali could potentially have a pretty strong team. |
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| romaniangoat |
Posted on 21-07-2013 16:39
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Malkael wrote:
Seems like Fuglsang will be riding la Vuelta, so Nibali could potentially have a pretty strong team.
WTF!!Nibali,Brajkovic,Fuglsang,Kangert,Kessiafoff...very strong Astana line-up.
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| Anderxman |
Posted on 21-07-2013 17:14
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romaniangoat wrote:
Aru and Gesink will not start.Also LLSS will target stage wins.
How do you now something about Aru? I've listen nothing about his absence. On 12 july he was in Moena, Trentino, for a special mountain training with Nibali, Agnoli, Tiralongo and other Astana's riders.
Also Benat Intxausti will be at the Vuelta, I think.
Edited by Anderxman on 21-07-2013 18:47
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 17:15
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Anderxman wrote:
romaniangoat wrote:
Aru and Gesink will not start.Also LLSS will target stage wins.
How do you now something about Aru? I've listen nothing about his missed presence.
Aru is too young to do two GT's
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| Anderxman |
Posted on 21-07-2013 18:58
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romaniangoat wrote:
Malkael wrote:
Seems like Fuglsang will be riding la Vuelta, so Nibali could potentially have a pretty strong team.
WTF!!Nibali,Brajkovic,Fuglsang,Kangert,Kessiakoff...very strong Astana line-up.
Don't forget Tiralongo and Agnoli, other good climbers. |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:31
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ruben wrote:
I dunno what to make of Gesink this year.
Last year he had a pretty decent comeback from his broken leg with 1st california, 4th Suisse (23 seconds off Costa) and 6th Vuelta.
But this year has been pretty bad. He was good in february. In PN he abandoned ill. In Catalunya 6th (decent). Terrible in Romandie, good for only 1 week in the Giro, and finally abandoned ill. And half-decent in the Tour as domestique.
But put together it's an awful year in terms of results. Even worse than 2012. I think he has definitely lost his climbing ability which he had before. He'll either need to refocus on that in the winter and try to get back to that level next year, or just put aside his ambitions for the grand tours and focus on small tours and classics, and become a helper in GT's.
I fear any potential he had before the leg-break is gone
I know, what a waste though , I have nothing against Mollema but it would break me seeing Gesink(huge talent) slave for someone who will be top 5 maybe podium material. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:51
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atlanta wrote:
I have nothing against Mollema but it would break me seeing Gesink(huge talent) slave for someone who will be top 5 maybe podium material.
U cant be serious about Gesink. Quintana, Majka, Betancur or Kwiatkowski are huge talents, Gesink is a good rider but not Grand Tour material anymore, guys like Mollema who even ill made a top 10 at Tour, Ten Dam if he stays or Kelderman should be the leaders for next Year. |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:53
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Will be interesting to see what Pozzovivo can do, but also Ulissi will be interesting to watch. Many stages which he could do very good. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 19:56
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Last year, in climbs that suited him, and not hitting the wind for more than 2km in total. It'd be very different in la Vuelta, and you know that.
Exactly my point. These climbs don't suit Purito. Yet he's there.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Please, play the ball, and don't go ad hominem with me.
You know very well what I'm talking about.
And I am addressing your points. I haven't even once steered away from the examples you chose : Purito and routes.
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The point was that Purito, when the Tour was as biased against a pure climber like him as the Vuelta is against a rider like Wiggins, didn't go to the Tour. That's it.
Only 1 short climb like those that suit him. A 50+ km TT in the wind, plus a prologue. He was right there.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:15
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issoisso wrote:
Exactly my point. These climbs don't suit Purito. Yet he's there.
Yes, he's there in the Tour de France more suited for pure climbers since like forever.
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You know very well what I'm talking about.
And I am addressing your points. I haven't even once steered away from the examples you chose : Purito and routes.
Yes, you're talking about a fantasy world where I don't show enough love for the riders you happen to like, thus making me a self-hating Spaniard. Whatever.
I was talking, and I think it was very obvious, about the 2012 Tour de France.
Anyway, we're not going to agree. It's fine, you think he can podium, I don't. You think he should go to the Vuelta, I don't. So I agree to disagree, but don't get personal again.
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| Cossack |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:16
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Strydz wrote:
I expect Adam Hansen to be selected for and complete his 6th straight Grand Tour
Actually it can be his 7th, he also finished 2011 Vuelta  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:19
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kumazan wrote:
Yes, he's there in the Tour de France more suited for pure climbers since like forever.
Way to exaggerate again
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Yes, you're talking about a fantasy world where I don't show enough love for the riders you happen to like, thus making me a self-hating Spaniard. Whatever.
Oh yes, I adore Purito, Moreno, Valverde, and especially Contador.
There's one spanish rider I kinda like, off the top of my head. That's Gutiérrez.
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I was talking, and I think it was very obvious, about the 2012 Tour de France.
So we're only allowed to discuss the examples you want even if others are perfectly relevant? 
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Anyway, we're not going to agree. It's fine, you think he can podium, I don't. You think he should go to the Vuelta, I don't. So I agree to disagree, but don't get personal again.
Sure, have it your way
Edited by issoisso on 21-07-2013 20:22
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| atlanta |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:44
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fickman wrote:
atlanta wrote:
I have nothing against Mollema but it would break me seeing Gesink(huge talent) slave for someone who will be top 5 maybe podium material.
U cant be serious about Gesink. Quintana, Majka, Betancur or Kwiatkowski are huge talents, Gesink is a good rider but not Grand Tour material anymore, guys like Mollema who even ill made a top 10 at Tour, Ten Dam if he stays or Kelderman should be the leaders for next Year.
Are you for real, Huge talent as in Gesink was a huge talent, a far bigger talent than the list you previded at their age except Quintana. Check La Vuelta 09(Huge Talent ) |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:58
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Ten Dam says that Mollema is going to the Vuelta
edit: however I don't know if this is to be taken seriously
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 21-07-2013 20:59
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-07-2013 21:15
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fickman wrote:
atlanta wrote:
I have nothing against Mollema but it would break me seeing Gesink(huge talent) slave for someone who will be top 5 maybe podium material.
U cant be serious about Gesink. Quintana, Majka, Betancur or Kwiatkowski are huge talents, Gesink is a good rider but not Grand Tour material anymore, guys like Mollema who even ill made a top 10 at Tour, Ten Dam if he stays or Kelderman should be the leaders for next Year.
Gesinks results at age 20, 21, 22 where far more spectaculair than Majka, Betancur or Kwiatkowski..
Of all the u25 age riders of the last 10 years. Gesink scored one of the most CQ points when he was in that age period.
He was a huge talent. You forget too easily what a rider he was before he broke his leg. Even already in his 1st years |
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:07
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Yeah i got atlanta wrong. I though he was saying he is still or he still have have a hugh talent. I wonder was Blanco and Gesink are going to do for 2014. Mollema, Ten Dam and Kelderman seems to be a better options for a Grand Tour. Gesink could be a super Domestique but im not sure if he will love to do that.
Edited by fickman on 21-07-2013 23:08
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 22-07-2013 10:15
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Who is going? König with NetApp, that is all that matters. 
Just kidding, but i am looking forward to see him in GT finally. Also dont know if Stybar is coming, but he can be strong in some stages.
Astana should dominate the Vuelta though...challenged by Sky only.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 22-07-2013 10:25
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ruben wrote:
He was a huge talent. You forget too easily what a rider he was before he stopped doping. |
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| Blueprint |
Posted on 22-07-2013 11:21
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Whatever we may think of Gesink and Wiggins, both will not be starting at the Vuelta. Personally, I expect a battle between Nibali, Rodriguez (not gonna give up a good GC if he does well), Valverde and the Colombians from Sky. Anybody else will not have the slightest chance to win the race, assuming that Froome and Quintana won't start. |
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