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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-04-2013 10:05
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Not only is he a sore loser, but he's also an idiot who doesn't understand that EPO got widespread when LeMond started fading (relatively to others), not when he started his career.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 07-04-2013 10:18
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When Armstrong dies and goes to hell, Satan is gonna move up here.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-04-2013 13:57
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Lemond is the greatest American cyclist ever. If he doped too... I'd give up hope on humanity. But I really doubt he did.
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 08-04-2013 13:52
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He's tested positive for EPO, and has apparently been fired by Euskaltel.
https://www.velona...ion.com%29
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 08-04-2013 19:10
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LeMond related, I found this https://www.cyclingforums.com/t/477866...mond-doped |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-04-2013 19:23
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Holy mother of god that guy in that link is an idiot.
Also, cyclingforums.com = unofficial forum of Armstrong fanboys, be warned.
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-04-2013 19:35
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issoisso wrote:
Holy mother of god that guy in that link is an idiot.
Also, cyclingforums.com = unofficial forum of Armstrong fanboys, be warned.
Yeah it was rather difficult to get all the way through that 1st post, just god damn painfull
Edited by Strydz on 08-04-2013 19:36
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| ppanther |
Posted on 08-04-2013 20:21
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- Were Fignon ('89) and Chiapucci ('90) denied their rightful place as winners of the TdF in 1989 and 1990 by an EPO doper? You need to answer these questions Mr. LeMond.
I guess Mr."from 35% to 60%" would be a "deserved" winner.
Seriously, what is this shit???
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-04-2013 20:51
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Chiapucci of all people indeed 
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-04-2013 21:04
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So let me get this straight: LeMond cheated those two but not Hinault? Armstrong fans just get dumber. They can't see pure talent. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-04-2013 21:22
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We lack data from that time, but was LeMond any stronger in 1989-1990 than in 1986 ? I'm not convinced. At least not in the proportions of somebody who'd have switched to EPO. And there was barely any EPO around in 1986.
I wouldn't say LeMond never used corticoids, his face nowadays could indicate the opposite, but EPO ? Absolutely unlikely. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-04-2013 21:31
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There was no EPO AT ALL in 86. It was first used on humans in 88, at which time dozens of skiers started using it.
Very few cyclists used it, almost all of them amateurs, until Bugno and some (few) italians started using it at the end of the 1989 season, along with the top dutch teams all using it in 1990.
1991 about half the peloton were on it, and in 1993 damn near everyone was on it.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-04-2013 21:44
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issoisso wrote:
Holy mother of god that guy in that link is an idiot.
Also, cyclingforums.com = unofficial forum of Armstrong fanboys, be warned.
You don't say... |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-04-2013 21:45
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I thought the likes of Oosterbosch were the first ones to use it (to their expense) circa 1987-1988, but it might have been 1988-1989. In 1986, no way, indeed. I agree on how quickly it got widespread.
On a lightly related note, an interview with Michel Rieu, former scientific counsellor at AFLD was published today on rue89 (online news site).
He states a couple of obvious things, but still interesting nonetheless. Among others, riders, including amateurs, know more or less what kind of products labs are searching for at what time of the year. It's common knowledge that homologous transfusions (blood from a compatible person) are not being searched any more. Neither do they search for CERA.
How to fuck the biopassport ? Slight doses. Slight quantities of blood too (either in or out). The quantities must be small enough so that a doubt would be present in the analyzer's mind (a convenient explanation, disease or something, would explain the variations).
The current trend would be to use Aicar, which is not even commercialised yet. It's known to most, but it burns fat in great quantities, and improves your endurance without a need to practice.
He also says that the best doping is not revolutionary, as proven by Armstrong's case (the products were almost the same as 15 years ago). The best doping is the one that masters the bio-celerity of doping substances. How long they act and what their detection window is. With a great sense of professionalism (small margins, anyone ?), it's relatively easy to guarantee a team won't have any positive. He says he could be a man to do it, so you can figure there must be other specialists around.
Not cycling related, but about Usain Bolt, he's clueless. He could believe in Bolt if it wasn't for two or three other guys coming from a small island. How could they have such a potential ? One guy is possible, three or more is statistically almost impossible.
For Ben Johnson, the use of steroids was blatant, but for the Jamaicans it's not, so he's clueless.
Last but not least, AFLD has had its power and influence widely diminished since 2010, when former CEO Pierre Bordy was forced to resign. They're more focused on the various legal aspects than on nailing sportsmen nowadays. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-04-2013 21:55
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Aquarius wrote:
The current trend would be to use Aicar, which is not even commercialised yet. It's known to most, but it burns fat in great quantities, and improves your endurance without a need to practice.
That's been very obvious for the last 4 years. Ever since AICAR became available in early 2009, a lot of stage racers lost absolutely insane amounts of fat
*obligatory Schleck/Contador/Armstrong Ventoux pic*
*obligatory Wiggins Roubaix 2009 pic*
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-04-2013 21:57
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You know too much about doping, Aquarius.
Is this you?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-04-2013 22:01
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My bank account says it'd feel better if I looked like that, but erm, the dude in the mirror didn't quite look like that last time I checked.  |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 08-04-2013 22:07
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Aquarius wrote:
Not cycling related, but about Usain Bolt, he's clueless. He could believe in Bolt if it wasn't for two or three other guys coming from a small island. How could they have such a potential ? One guy is possible, three or more is statistically almost impossible.
For Ben Johnson, the use of steroids was blatant, but for the Jamaicans it's not, so he's clueless.
He's wrong there. Jamaica has a very small gene pool, thus it's not unlikely to have many people with similar physical ablities. I'd even say that it would be more suspicious if Bolt was the only top sprinter from Jamaica.
You wouldn't say Mathieu van der Poel is suspicious because he's releated to so many great cyclists, would you?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-04-2013 22:08
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Jamaica is like a soap-series, all incest relations and everyone's each other's brother, sister or parent |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 08-04-2013 22:11
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I was going to make a silly and slightly inappropriate joke, saying 'also, black people run faster', but I just googled and came up with something actually relevant:
https://mintinfo.h...un-So-Fast |
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