baseballlover312 wrote:
One big reason I believe in God is a soul. I just don't see how a bunch of organs, even one as amazing as the brain can make me be me. Me control myself. I can't exactly explain it, but I know it's more than guts causing that.
As far as I know, nothing proves a soul or something alike survives a body, or existed prior to it.
When we're thinking, behaving, moving, etc. it's "just" electrical signals going to/inside/from the brain. Emotions are chemical reactions (that's why medicines for psychological diseases are chemicals that aim to have a specific effect on the brain - warning, giant leap in the explanation).
It's all very fascinating, and not too well explained, plus I'm far from having the maximal knowledge on the subject, but I'm not certain there's anything mystical or magical in there.
I can't see a thing that'd tend to prove a deity or a celestial being of some sort would have put something like a soul into our physical bodies.
I'm not so dismissive yet, and I'm not entirely sure scientific knowledge has sufficient knowledge to make a judgement yet. The best thought experiment is if teleportation existed. Would it be you, or is it an exact copy of you? What is conscience?
baseballlover312 wrote:
One big reason I believe in God is a soul. I just don't see how a bunch of organs, even one as amazing as the brain can make me be me. Me control myself. I can't exactly explain it, but I know it's more than guts causing that.
As far as I know, nothing proves a soul or something alike survives a body, or existed prior to it.
When we're thinking, behaving, moving, etc. it's "just" electrical signals going to/inside/from the brain. Emotions are chemical reactions (that's why medicines for psychological diseases are chemicals that aim to have a specific effect on the brain - warning, giant leap in the explanation).
It's all very fascinating, and not too well explained, plus I'm far from having the maximal knowledge on the subject, but I'm not certain there's anything mystical or magical in there.
I can't see a thing that'd tend to prove a deity or a celestial being of some sort would have put something like a soul into our physical bodies.
That what I'm sayiing. Chemical rwactions and electrical signal aren't "who I am."
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Crommy wrote:
Ok, so God, who made us, made us so that we have no choice but to break the laws...which he set. Can you see why that's morally wrong?
And you have not addressed that you believe genocide is acceptable as punishment for sin.
No, the only ones who did have a free choice, Adam and Eve, made the wrong choice, thus condemning all of us. 'For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.' 1 Corinthians 15:22.
As to is genocide acceptable, if God orchestrates it, yes. He has worked this out through history, with for example, the flood.
This does not include all those which we have seen since the death of Christ, and many of the ones before it.
Take this in any way you like, but, there is something seriously wrong with you. You worship a tyrant.
Crommy wrote:
Take this in any way you like, but, there is something seriously wrong with you. You worship a tyrant.
Well, of course I'd disagree. I worship a God who is gracious enough to forgive me the sins which I have committed against him. And His Son has paid the price I could never pay, and for that I will never be able to be grateful enough.
Crommy wrote:
Take this in any way you like, but, there is something seriously wrong with you. You worship a tyrant.
Well, of course I'd disagree. I worship a God who is gracious enough to forgive me the sins which I have committed against him. And His Son has paid the price I could never pay, and for that I will never be able to be grateful enough.
To me, the logic seems wrong. It's circular reasoning. Imagine I'm saying it's a sin to have a nose - so everyone is bound to be a sinner. But in the same sentence, I'm saying that, in my infinite graciousness, I forgive you all for having a nose, and now you'll have to be thankful and obedient for all times.
It may not be the perfect image, but do you see what I'm going for?
€: Maybe a better one: You're PE teacher says, everyone who runs 100m slower than one second gets an F and will fail the course. And then, after you've all failed, he says, well, at least you've tried, so I'll give you a D and you pass. Would you be thankful for the D or angry that he didn't give you a fair chance to get an A or a B in the first place? (it's not my intention to offend your god to a PE teacher, btw )
Edited by cunego59 on 17-01-2013 22:20
Crommy wrote:
Take this in any way you like, but, there is something seriously wrong with you. You worship a tyrant.
Well, of course I'd disagree. I worship a God who is gracious enough to forgive me the sins which I have committed against him. And His Son has paid the price I could never pay, and for that I will never be able to be grateful enough.
To me, the logic seems wrong. It's circular reasoning. Imagine I'm saying it's a sin to have a nose - so everyone is bound to be a sinner. But in the same sentence, I'm saying that, in my infinite graciousness, I forgive you all for having a nose, and now you'll have to be thankful and obedient for all times.
It may not be the perfect image, but do you see what I'm going for?
By his logic it's fine that you'd slaughter all of us nose-bearers.
You should have taken another example too, as you're making me a big twisted sinner. Damn you.
baseballlover312 wrote:
Okay, Adam and Eve is just a metaphor for tempation and sin.
I know. But the story has a deeper meaning and enlightens how religions work.
You get punished when you question what religions tell you. Doubting is already a sin. They had to remain ignorants to be happy and alive.
I hate that logic, and I'd eat the apple any day.
Edited by Aquarius on 17-01-2013 22:23
cactus-jack wrote:
What surprises me the most regarding the poll is the fact that only one person said "Judaism" whilst 13 have voted for "Other".
I'm no expert in religions, but I can't think of what the other ones might be.
Only one for judaism surprises you?
There are more christians in the middle east than jews in the entire world, it's a perfectly normal result for a poll.
Also, I'm guessing most "Other"s are agnostic.
baseballlover312 wrote:
One big reason I believe in God is a soul. I just don't see how a bunch of organs, even one as amazing as the brain can make me be me. Me control myself. I can't exactly explain it, but I know it's more than guts causing that.
That's called the fallacy of complexity. There are other names for it.
If you ever study artificial intelligence in computing you'll come across it right at the start.
Basically, if you program a bunch of very simple agents they'll soon start interacting in a complex manner that even you as their creator didn't predict and that doesn't seem possible given how basic they are, until you look a the behaviour closely and realize how it's self-organizing.
Neillster wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Ok, so God, who made us, made us so that we have no choice but to break the laws...which he set. Can you see why that's morally wrong?
And you have not addressed that you believe genocide is acceptable as punishment for sin.
No, the only ones who did have a free choice, Adam and Eve, made the wrong choice, thus condemning all of us. 'For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.' 1 Corinthians 15:22.
As to is genocide acceptable, if God orchestrates it, yes. He has worked this out through history, with for example, the flood.
This does not include all those which we have seen since the death of Christ, and many of the ones before it.
You're seriously trying to convince us that genocide is acceptable?~
Crommy wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
One big reason I believe in God is a soul. I just don't see how a bunch of organs, even one as amazing as the brain can make me be me. Me control myself. I can't exactly explain it, but I know it's more than guts causing that.
As far as I know, nothing proves a soul or something alike survives a body, or existed prior to it.
When we're thinking, behaving, moving, etc. it's "just" electrical signals going to/inside/from the brain. Emotions are chemical reactions (that's why medicines for psychological diseases are chemicals that aim to have a specific effect on the brain - warning, giant leap in the explanation).
It's all very fascinating, and not too well explained, plus I'm far from having the maximal knowledge on the subject, but I'm not certain there's anything mystical or magical in there.
I can't see a thing that'd tend to prove a deity or a celestial being of some sort would have put something like a soul into our physical bodies.
I'm not so dismissive yet, and I'm not entirely sure scientific knowledge has sufficient knowledge to make a judgement yet. The best thought experiment is if teleportation existed. Would it be you, or is it an exact copy of you? What is conscience?
That's always been the one question I have no idea if I can answer....but here's the scarier though that occurred to me about 2 years ago.
98% of the atoms in our body are renewed over the span of a year.....is it still you?
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Crommy wrote:
Take this in any way you like, but, there is something seriously wrong with you. You worship a tyrant.
He is firm but fair.
Genocide is firm but fair?
Dude, they had sinned ! They wanted to get knowledge, and they ate an apple, or something like that.
Mass murder is all they deserved.
The sin of Adam and Eve was not just eating the apple! They wanted to be God. They wanted to take the place of God. They broke the only rule which God had given them.
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