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| kumazan |
Posted on 07-01-2013 17:05
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ShortsNL wrote:
Jurgen Van den Broeck has issued a statement to the Belgian press, about a doping investigation involving Belgian doctor Chris Mertens. Without even being named himself in the investigation, Van den Broeck has stepped forward and stated that in the past he visited the doctor for medical reasons such as his sinuses, when the team doctor was abroad with the team.
Van den Broeck denies to have ever done ozone-therapy, which Mertens allegedly applied ozone-therapy to a number of riders. VDB states he doesn't even know what ozone-therapy is in the first place.
So JVDB, who got a big fat 8 in the suspicion index list, was visiting a doping doctor. Who would have thought. Apparently he last visited him around half a year ago, so somewhere around the Tour. His last (and biggest) season goal. Just a coincidence though, nothing to see here.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:06
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It's bad enough the entire world thinks of all cyclist as dopers, so why don't we keep up the saying: innocent until proven guilty?
I don't think JVDB doped, he's the most hard working cyclist there is and sacrifices everything for that tour. If he doped, he would've won it.
The fact that he comes forward himself means something, I believe he's not doped up. But that's just me. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:22
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Ian Butler wrote:
It's bad enough the entire world thinks of all cyclist as dopers, so why don't we keep up the saying: innocent until proven guilty?
How about innocent until proven that he's been working with a doping doctor?
He's an 8 on the blood passport suspicion index. That's extremely high. Anything above 5 is "overwhelming circumstancial evidence of doping".
Not to mention he showed absolutely no ability to be a GC rider until suddenly and unexpectedly finishing 7th in the Giro out of nowhere. That's anything but a normal progression, and quite suspicious.
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he's the most hard working cyclist there is
Even if that were quantifiable and provable, which it isn't, a guy's personality is as relevant to whether someone is doping as how tired they look at the end of a stage....meaning completely and utterly irrelevant.
You could just as easily argue that he's so hard working and determined to win that ethics are of very little concern to him.
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The fact that he comes forward himself means something,
It's a preventive measure, he knows the police have proof of who's been seeing the doctor so he's publicly admitting it before he's questioned about it. It's just good PR.
Anyway,
speaking of WADA, they've just removed McQuaid from their executive board. Been a hell of a long time coming.
Edited by issoisso on 07-01-2013 18:23
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| Wilier |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:22
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Ian Butler wrote:
It's bad enough the entire world thinks of all cyclist as dopers, so why don't we keep up the saying: innocent until proven guilty?
I don't think JVDB doped, he's the most hard working cyclist there is and sacrifices everything for that tour. If he doped, he would've won it.
The fact that he comes forward himself means something, I believe he's not doped up. But that's just me.
No offense Ian, but I don't really trust him either. He was highly listed on L'Equipe's list. He rode for Discovery in the past. He looks like some kind of Auschwitz victim during the Tour de France. And he sucks every race except for the Dauphiné and the Tour de France. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:24
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Wilier wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
It's bad enough the entire world thinks of all cyclist as dopers, so why don't we keep up the saying: innocent until proven guilty?
I don't think JVDB doped, he's the most hard working cyclist there is and sacrifices everything for that tour. If he doped, he would've won it.
The fact that he comes forward himself means something, I believe he's not doped up. But that's just me.
No offense Ian, but I don't really trust him either. He was highly listed on L'Equipe's list. He rode for Discovery in the past. He looks like some kind of Auschwitz victim during the Tour de France. And he sucks every race except for the Dauphiné and the Tour de France.
He peaks for Tour de France, but he performed quite well last year in (I can be wrong here, but) Tour de Romandie as well? (Or was it Catalunya?)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:26
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Wilier wrote:And he sucks every race except for the Dauphiné and the Tour de France.
I don't see that as proof of doping, just that he doesn't have a healthy attitude towards the sport or respect for it. Or wouldn't have, if I agreed he sucked every race but those two.
But I don't agree. He was 4th in Algarve, 3rd in Catalunya!, 12 in Pais Vasco and 10th in the Flèche. And none of those races suited him, with their short sharp climbs. He was quite good afaic 
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:28
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Anyway, you guys most certainly know 1000 times more about cycling than me. But I'm just saying, the whole world already thinks the worst of every cyclist, I was hoping we wouldn't join them, because we love the sport so much.
If Van Den Broeck turns out to be a doper, you can give me a shitstorm of remarks, but until that day I say: he's innocent. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:33
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The reason he sucks at other races but the Tour and the Dauphine imo lays in the fact that he trains at the Sierra Nevada for the whole year preparing the Tour. He looks a bit suspicious but this is except for Equipe's list never been close to doping accusations. (If I am correct). He was with Armstrong but not part of the Tour core. Anyhow, quite stupid remark today but that is not the first time he comes with some stupid remarks! 
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 07-01-2013 18:55
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issoisso wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
It's bad enough the entire world thinks of all cyclist as dopers, so why don't we keep up the saying: innocent until proven guilty?
How about innocent until proven that he's been working with a doping doctor?
This is not the case, because it is not proven that the doctor is in fact a doping doctor. There is currently an investigation into the doctor done by Belgian authorities, to see whether or not the doctor has been involving himself in ozone therapy. Only one rider has been linked by the justice department to the case, and that is Cyclo-cross rider Tom Meeusen.
VDB is not part of the investigation whatsoever. Until VDB is therefore named by Belgian authorities as officially part of the investigation, or Mertens is proven to be a doping doctor or at least universally accepted as being such, I don't think we should condemn Van den Broeck just yet.
It other rumours, Belgian broadcasting organization VTM has recieved an anonymous letter that claims that the entire Belgian national team, including junior riders, visited doctor Mertens while preparing for last year's Worlds. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 07-01-2013 19:21
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issoisso wrote:
Wilier wrote:And he sucks every race except for the Dauphiné and the Tour de France.
I don't see that as proof of doping, just that he doesn't have a healthy attitude towards the sport or respect for it. Or wouldn't have, if I agreed he sucked every race but those two.
But I don't agree. He was 4th in Algarve, 3rd in Catalunya!, 12 in Pais Vasco and 10th in the Flèche. And none of those races suited him, with their short sharp climbs. He was quite good afaic
True, to say he sucks is an exeggaration. Though Catalunya was a bit of a farce and he finished in the same time as 13 other riders.
But those results makes me wonder. Is he doing the best he can in his non-Tour shape or is he going easy because he's just that good and he doesn't care? There such a big difference between his TdF form and his 'other races'-form. I don't recall him having that much climbing talent in the youth categories to brand him a podium candidate in the Tour? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-01-2013 19:32
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Wilier wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Wilier wrote:And he sucks every race except for the Dauphiné and the Tour de France.
I don't see that as proof of doping, just that he doesn't have a healthy attitude towards the sport or respect for it. Or wouldn't have, if I agreed he sucked every race but those two.
But I don't agree. He was 4th in Algarve, 3rd in Catalunya!, 12 in Pais Vasco and 10th in the Flèche. And none of those races suited him, with their short sharp climbs. He was quite good afaic
True, to say he sucks is an exeggaration. Though Catalunya was a bit of a farce and he finished in the same time as 13 other riders.
But those results makes me wonder. Is he doing the best he can in his non-Tour shape or is he going easy because he's just that good and he doesn't care? There such a big difference between his TdF form and his 'other races'-form. I don't recall him having that much climbing talent in the youth categories to brand him a podium candidate in the Tour?
Was one of the best timetrialists in the youth category becoming world champion as a junior in 2001. Not a secret anymore that good timetrialists can become good stage racers.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 07-01-2013 19:38
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Spilak23 wrote:
Wilier wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Wilier wrote:And he sucks every race except for the Dauphiné and the Tour de France.
I don't see that as proof of doping, just that he doesn't have a healthy attitude towards the sport or respect for it. Or wouldn't have, if I agreed he sucked every race but those two.
But I don't agree. He was 4th in Algarve, 3rd in Catalunya!, 12 in Pais Vasco and 10th in the Flèche. And none of those races suited him, with their short sharp climbs. He was quite good afaic
True, to say he sucks is an exeggaration. Though Catalunya was a bit of a farce and he finished in the same time as 13 other riders.
But those results makes me wonder. Is he doing the best he can in his non-Tour shape or is he going easy because he's just that good and he doesn't care? There such a big difference between his TdF form and his 'other races'-form. I don't recall him having that much climbing talent in the youth categories to brand him a podium candidate in the Tour?
Was one of the best timetrialists in the youth category becoming world champion as a junior in 2001. Not a secret anymore that good timetrialists can become good stage racers.
Well........ I just don't like him! And he's still suspicious to me! |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-01-2013 19:40
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Spilak23 wrote:
Was one of the best timetrialists in the youth category becoming world champion as a junior in 2001. Not a secret anymore that good timetrialists can become good stage racers.
I hope that not serious
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| juszta |
Posted on 07-01-2013 19:44
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Was one of the best timetrialists in the youth category becoming world champion as a junior in 2001. Not a secret anymore that good timetrialists can become good stage racers.
I hope that not serious
Which part? 
Spoiler 2001 World Championships: Lisbon, Portugal
Elite Men
Road Race, Sunday, October 14: 254.1 km
1. Oscar Freire (Spain) 6hr 7min 21sec. 41.503 km/hr
2. Paolo Bettini (Italy) s.t.
3. Andrej Hauptmann (Slovakia) s.t.
4. Erik Dekker (Holland) s.t.
5. Erik Zabel (Germany) s.t.
Time Trial, Thursday, October 11, 38.7 km. Times rounded to nearest second.
1. Jan Ullrich (Germany) 51min 49.99 sec
2. David Millar (Great Britain) @ 6sec
3. Santiago Botero (Colombia) @ 12sec
4. Levi Leipheimer (USA) @ 25sec
5. Laszlo Bodrogi (Hungary) @ 1min
Junior Men
Road Race: Oleksandr Kvachuck (Ukraine)
Time Trial: Jurgen van den Broeck (Belgium)
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Posted on 07-01-2013 19:52
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I meant that TT'ers become great Stage Racers, as i assumed he meant Wiggo
and we all know thats drug feuld
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| juszta |
Posted on 07-01-2013 19:56
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I meant that TT'ers become great Stage Racers, as i assumed he meant Wiggo
and we all know thats drug feuld
Oh, I see 
Other news: Wild Cards for Milano-San Remo and Tirreno-Adriatico could be delayed too due to the Kathusa case.
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Posted on 07-01-2013 20:00
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juszta wrote:
Other news: Wild Cards for Milano-San Remo and Tirreno-Adriatico could be delayed too due to the Kathusa case.
And Giro and Il Lombardia
basically all RCS events
Also i thought Katusha had PCT license but apparently they have no racing license?
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-01-2013 20:07
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No. It was serious. It's a known fact that timetrialist who lose some weight can become good stage racers. Wiggins is a prime example of this.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-01-2013 20:08
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Spilak23 wrote:
No. It was serious. It's a known fact that timetrialist who lose some weight can become good stage racers. Wiggins is a prime example of this.
and Lance as well... and he was totally clean
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-01-2013 20:15
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
No. It was serious. It's a known fact that timetrialist who lose some weight can become good stage racers. Wiggins is a prime example of this.
and Lance as well... and he was totally clean
Have not much knowledge from cycling before 1995/1996 but looking at results. Armstrong wasn't a timetrialist either in his pre cancer career. Looking at his results, he was more of an attacking puncher type of rider. This is mainly based on the Oslo and Casartelli wins as CQ ranking only goes back to 1998. Winning races like San Sebastian and Flecha Wallone as well. That's how I see him pre cancer. Not a timetrialer imo.
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