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| Kami |
Posted on 09-09-2011 21:11
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owks wrote:
Gesink almost came back on Gilbert , he is good in those Classics , how come he sucks so much in the Ardennes ? He looked like a worthy competitor of Gilbert.
And Gilbert is probably going to reach the 3000 CQ points after Lombardia.
I'm guessing a higher lvl of competitors, which will also make the peleton more nervous (higher pace, bigger group, ...).
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| DJP19 |
Posted on 09-09-2011 21:23
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Great win by Gilbert. I think he was just playing Gesink there. It needs to be a bit exciting  Can't wait for Montreal on Sunday.
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-09-2011 22:40
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In no way was Gilbert playing with Gesink. If he was then he is 100% doping.
This was just man vs man at their limit.
Sunday on a more difficult course I think Gesink can beat Gilbert.
The climbs in Quebec actually don't suit Gesink at all. Too short, too explosive.
Gesink says he feels stronger than last year and then he already he pulled off a 10km solo against 6 chasers in Montreal (with Sagan, Hagen, Hesjedal, Sanchez chasing...)
And why Gesink sucks in April, I honoustly don't know. Level of comptitors? Maybe, but he was 5th in fleche wallone and 3rd in the Amstel Gold Race when he was younger
But in 2010 and 2011 he was never in peak form in the Ardennes.
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| Kami |
Posted on 09-09-2011 22:44
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ruben wrote:
And why Gesink sucks in April, I honoustly don't know. Level of comptitors? Maybe, but he was 5th in fleche wallone and 3rd in the Amstel Gold Race when he was younger
But in 2010 and 2011 he was never in peak form in the Ardennes.
I'm don't mean that the riders are stronger then him, just that Gesink isn't the best pilot and might get a worse position there because of a bigger group (because of the better riders). Today it was just an 8-man group left (when i started watching) and Gesink just had to watch one guy.
Edit: As to why he was better when he was younger? Maybe taking more risks then?
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 09-09-2011 22:45
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ruben wrote:
In no way was Gilbert playing with Gesink. If he was then he is 100% doping.
This was just man vs man at their limit.
Sunday on a more difficult course I think Gesink can beat Gilbert.
The climbs in Quebec actually don't suit Gesink at all. Too short, too explosive.
Gesink says he feels stronger than last year and then he already he pulled off a 10km solo against 6 chasers in Montreal (with Sagan, Hagen, Hesjedal, Sanchez chasing...)
And why Gesink sucks in April, I honoustly don't know. Level of comptitors? Maybe, but he was 5th in fleche wallone and 3rd in the Amstel Gold Race when he was younger
But in 2010 and 2011 he was never in peak form in the Ardennes.
Maybe next year...
Would Rabobank target Amstel massively or is it in an area to isolated from the rest of the Netherlands?
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-09-2011 22:46
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How did Gesink get in that 9 man group? Out of a bigger group... or do you just think Gesink got there out of nowhere lol.
And no he was not better when he was younger. But he PEAKED CORRECTLY.
Topsport is not science. You don't always peak correctly.
Look at Nibali and Rodriguez this Vuelta. Or Anton. Anton had his whole season set on Vuelta and still didn't peak at the right moment.
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-09-2011 22:49
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mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
In no way was Gilbert playing with Gesink. If he was then he is 100% doping.
This was just man vs man at their limit.
Sunday on a more difficult course I think Gesink can beat Gilbert.
The climbs in Quebec actually don't suit Gesink at all. Too short, too explosive.
Gesink says he feels stronger than last year and then he already he pulled off a 10km solo against 6 chasers in Montreal (with Sagan, Hagen, Hesjedal, Sanchez chasing...)
And why Gesink sucks in April, I honoustly don't know. Level of comptitors? Maybe, but he was 5th in fleche wallone and 3rd in the Amstel Gold Race when he was younger
But in 2010 and 2011 he was never in peak form in the Ardennes.
Maybe next year...
Would Rabobank target Amstel massively or is it in an area to isolated from the rest of the Netherlands?
Rabobank always target Amstel Gold Race. They rarely pull it off tho.
Unlike Basque in Basque country it seems to work against them rather than in favor.
The home advantage always turns to a home disadvantage for Rabobank. They try to hard and generally fail. And now they have the bad luck that a certain P.Gilbert wins every hilly race he starts |
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-09-2011 23:18
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ember wrote:
I might be norwegian, but how come no one have mentioned last year's runner-up, Boasson Hagen?
Though, Sky might do this for Gerrans, he showed great form in Plouay, I'll guess they are joint leaders, depending on how the race unfolds. Hopefully there will be lots of attacks, with Gesink, Hesjedal and Gilbert being very keen on the win. Though, I somehow doubt Gilbert, in Plouay, I think we saw the first signs of fading form for him.
But it will be a very interesting race, hopefully at least as good as last year.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-09-2011 23:32
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Just came home and that means that I missed the race. Are there any videos out there with the last kilometers?
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| lup_andrei |
Posted on 09-09-2011 23:36
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Ruben, what Gesink has really WON so far? Oman? Emillia, Montreal? (races from the beginning or from the end of a season, that tells a lot). Luckily for him, he's only 25 and time will tell what he's made of.
PS: For me, Mollema has a brighter future.
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-09-2011 23:41
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As a tempo climber it's hard to really win races. Ask Ivan Basso.
I agree Mollema is more complete, but when it really comes down to the hardness, Gesink just better. He has more power at threshold... Mollema can't push 6.3 w/kg like Gesink can when he is in topform.
To add to that, in normal form Gesink finishes top 5/top 10 in nearly every stage race or one-day race he starts... It's not for nothing he finished in the top 10 of the World Tour / pro Tour the last years. And top 20 CQ ranking every time...
Even now when he is having a 'shit' season he's top 20 in the World Tour (probably after Montreal close to top 10 again)...
If that doesn't tell you anything about his class, then I don't know what will.
Also, Emilia is a big race, check the honour roll.
And you forgot his TdSuisse stage last year which was impressive.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-09-2011 00:15
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lup_andrei wrote:
Ruben, what Gesink has really WON so far? Oman? Emillia, Montreal? (races from the beginning or from the end of a season, that tells a lot). Luckily for him, he's only 25 and time will tell what he's made of.
PS: For me, Mollema has a brighter future.
I don't think Mollema will be better than Gesink.
Bauke is also 25 and (even though he basically missed an entire season 2 years ago and that could be somewhat an "excuse" ) his achievement list is not impressive as Gesink's.
So based on the "winning theory" how can you claim that Mollema will be better than Gesink in the future?
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-09-2011 18:09
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roturn wrote:
Wegmann 4th, Ciolek 9th I think.
Good race for the Germany.
Gilbert will be the new World Tour leader. Germans this year are slowly recuperating from a few lesser years after the 'incidents'.
Even Gerdemann has had a decent season finally. Ever since that terrible fall in the Tirreno he was never his old self.
I wonder how they will fare in the worlds, with Wegmann, Ciolek, Degenkolb Germany have some serious weapons...
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-09-2011 18:13
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ruben wrote:
roturn wrote:
Wegmann 4th, Ciolek 9th I think.
Good race for the Germany.
Gilbert will be the new World Tour leader. Germans this year are slowly recuperating from a few lesser years after the 'incidents'.
Even Gerdemann has had a decent season finally. Ever since that terrible fall in the Tirreno he was never his old self.
I wonder how they will fare in the worlds, with Wegmann, Ciolek, Degenkolb Germany have some serious weapons...
Will they bring Kittel as well???
You forgot Greipel. I think he will be the clear leader. Wegmann and maybe Martens for attacks then.
Kittel and Degenkolb never really had such a long race, so not too sure about them. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 10-09-2011 18:14
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ruben wrote:
He has more power at threshold... Mollema can't push 6.3 w/kg like Gesink can when he is in topform.
Actually?
For how long?
Because no one has produced those numbers on a finishing climb in a GT for the past 2 years.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 10-09-2011 18:15
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roturn wrote:
ruben wrote:
roturn wrote:
Wegmann 4th, Ciolek 9th I think.
Good race for the Germany.
Gilbert will be the new World Tour leader. Germans this year are slowly recuperating from a few lesser years after the 'incidents'.
Even Gerdemann has had a decent season finally. Ever since that terrible fall in the Tirreno he was never his old self.
I wonder how they will fare in the worlds, with Wegmann, Ciolek, Degenkolb Germany have some serious weapons...
Will they bring Kittel as well???
You forgot Greipel. I think he will be the clear leader. Wegmann and maybe Martens for attacks then.
Kittel and Degenkolb never really had such a long race, so not too sure about them.
I thik Degenkolb can handle a hard race. He seems a Boonen, Hushovd type of classic rider, sprinter. While Kittel seems to be a real sprinter like Farrar or Greipel.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-09-2011 18:15
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Degenkolb did well in Paris-Roubaix, didn't he?
Edit: Yep, he did. He could definitely be dangerous if he's in the front group at the end.
Edited by kumazan on 10-09-2011 18:19
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-09-2011 18:45
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mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
He has more power at threshold... Mollema can't push 6.3 w/kg like Gesink can when he is in topform.
Actually?
For how long?
Because no one has produced those numbers on a finishing climb in a GT for the past 2 years.
In the physical tests of Rabobank for 45 minutes...
Btw it isn't that special as lab results are always higher than mountain results. Can you think of a reason why? I do... 5 hours racing before a climb does make a dent you know.... ;-)
Rujano even got 7.1 w/kg in these tests... but you don't see him repeating the same on the giro climbs (even if he could keep up with contador for 2 stages) |
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Posted on 10-09-2011 18:48
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Don't forget that Martens often overperforms in the WC, his attack last year was great. (Well, what means overperform, he finished all Ardennes Classics in the Top15)
Germany has really many options this year, but I fear none of them are strong enough to get the win in the end. But the future looks bright 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-09-2011 19:02
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Spilak23 wrote:
roturn wrote:
ruben wrote:
roturn wrote:
Wegmann 4th, Ciolek 9th I think.
Good race for the Germany.
Gilbert will be the new World Tour leader. Germans this year are slowly recuperating from a few lesser years after the 'incidents'.
Even Gerdemann has had a decent season finally. Ever since that terrible fall in the Tirreno he was never his old self.
I wonder how they will fare in the worlds, with Wegmann, Ciolek, Degenkolb Germany have some serious weapons...
Will they bring Kittel as well???
You forgot Greipel. I think he will be the clear leader. Wegmann and maybe Martens for attacks then.
Kittel and Degenkolb never really had such a long race, so not too sure about them.
I thik Degenkolb can handle a hard race. He seems a Boonen, Hushovd type of classic rider, sprinter. While Kittel seems to be a real sprinter like Farrar or Greipel.
As even Kittel himself will tell you he's more a TTer than a sprinter
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