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Tour De Suisse Discussion
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 15-02-2025 19:14
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 [PTHC] Tour De Suisse
Hello and welcome to Switzerland for the Tour De Suisse it's a hard parcour with Two TT's and many mountain stages and a top field to boot.
| As PTHC: | | 2023: Egan Bernal (Polar) | | 2022: Egan Bernal (Polar) | | As PT: | | 2021: Rein Taaramäe (Evonik - ELKO) | | 2020: Silvio Herklotz (Team Puma - SAP) | | 2019: Taylor Phinney (Grieg - Maersk) | | 2018: Silvio Herklotz (Team Puma - SAP) | | 2017: Rein Taaramäe (Wiesenhof-Andritz) | | 2016: Andy Schleck (Vesuvio - Accumalux) | | 2015: Simon Spilak (Festina-Canal+) | | 2014: Andy Schleck (Vesuvio - Accumalux) | | 2013: Andrei Amador (UBS - BMC) | | 2012:Aleksandr Pluchkin (Team B&O) | | 2011: Taylor Phinney (Wikipedia) | | 2010: Emanuele Sella (Lipton Ice Tea) | | 2009: Frank Schleck (Accumalux-Formex) | | 2008: Damiano Cunego (La Gazetta dello Sport) | | 2007: Alexandre Vinokourov (T-Mobile) |
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 Kudus
 Bernal
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 McNulty
 Oomen
 Tenorio
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 Geoghegan Hart
 Novak
 Choi
Kudus starts as an overwhelming favourite with his strong advantage in the Mountains but reigning two time winner Bernal has to start 2nd favourite with him already showing a real liking for this parcour and has to be feared.  Rodrigues, Oomen, and McNulty all should take a liking to this course with the two TTs
while  Meintjes and Novak could be two riders looking to light up the mountains with attacks throughout.
With one of the hilly stages on the parkour ending in Hilltop sprints  Ardila has to go into those as a favourite following his 2nd in Fleche Wallone behind MAL.
While another hilly stage with a flat ending bringing the likes of Cerny,  Lienhard and  Drizners a realistic chance of a big stage win.
The pure sprint stage has a limited field but  Bol is on paper the best sprinter and could make a splash for his team while Mareczko probably has the most realistic non-breakaway PCT stage win hope in that stage.
With the prologue almost certainly a PT winner as Andersen, Chavanne and Leung battle it out in the 5km course.
| MT | HI | TT | RS | RC | AC | | Kudus | 85 | 78 | 72 | 77 | 79 | 70 | | Bernal | 82 | 74 | 80 | 80 | 82 | 69 | | Rodrigues | 81 | 73 | 74 | 75 | 77 | 72 | | McNulty | 81 | 74 | 77 | 77 | 77 | 68 | | Oomen | 81 | 75 | 74 | 77 | 78 | 69 | | Ardila | 81 | 80 | 68 | 70 | 74 | 75 | | Novak | 80 | 77 | 66 | 76 | 77 | 76 | | Meintjes | 80 | 78 | 71 | 76 | 78 | 69 | | Tenorio | 80 | 72 | 76 | 70 | 73 | 61 | | Quintana | 80 | 72 | 69 | 73 | 73 | 63 | | Choi | 80 | 73 | 74 | 75 | 78 | 67 | | Geoghegan Hart | 79 | 74 | 78 | 74 | 75 | 69 |  Kirsch | 79 | 74 | 71 | 73 | 75 | 67 |  Mavrikakis | 79 | 72 | 71 | 73 | 69 | 67 |  Carboni | 79 | 76 | 69 | 73 | 73 | 69 | | Stüssi | 79 | 73 | 75 | 73 | 78 | 66 | | Ndayisenga | 78 | 75 | 65 | 68 | 73 | 73 | | Habtemichael | 78 | 74 | 74 | 73 | 76 | 66 |  Cort Nielsen | 78 | 74 | 72 | 75 | 74 | 71 | | Arndt | 78 | 75 | 55 | 75 | 70 | 74 | | Darbellay | 78 | 71 | 75 | 75 | 77 | 65 | | Chaiyasombat | 78 | 74 | 70 | 75 | 75 | 74 |  Chiarello | 78 | 74 | 72 | 72 | 75 | 70 |  Vosekalns | 78 | 75 | 62 | 73 | 72 | 71 | | Brozyna | 78 | 69 | 72 | 73 | 73 | 69 | | Stancu | 78 | 69 | 66 | 74 | 73 | 71 | | Carretero Millan | 78 | 72 | 71 | 63 | 71 | 61 | | Mas | 78 | 77 | 68 | 74 | 77 | 77 |
| FL | SP | AC | RS | | Bol | 76 | 79 | 77 | 77 | | Mareczko | 74 | 78 | 77 | 73 | | Rajovic | 72 | 78 | 82 | 76 | | Hesters | 75 | 78 | 78 | 75 | | Santos | 75 | 77 | 76 | 70 | | Wouters | 75 | 77 | 79 | 75 | | Alaphilippe | 72 | 77 | 77 | 69 | | Andersen | 81 | 76 | 74 | 78 | | Chavanne | 75 | 76 | 76 | 76 |  Plowright | 72 | 76 | 74 | 72 | | Willems | 71 | 75 | 75 | 75 | | Jansen | 72 | 75 | 70 | 72 | | Jiang | 72 | 75 | 75 | 73 | | Vernon | 73 | 75 | 70 | 75 | | Cerny | 71 | 75 | 79 | 67 | | Ganjkhanlou | 71 | 75 | 77 | 69 |
| Andersen | 83 | | Chavanne | 82 | | Leung | 82 | | Christodoulos | 79 | | Tanfield | 79 | | Jiang | 79 | | Matsuda | 79 | | Sajnok | 79 | | Kukrle | 79 | | Van Aert | 79 |
| Rider | HI | MT | ST | RS | SP | AC | | Ardila | 80 | 81 | 69 | 70 | 62 | 75 | | Gebrezgabihier | 79 | 70 | 74 | 74 | 67 | 69 | | Kudus | 78 | 85 | 79 | 77 | 64 | 70 | | Meintjes | 78 | 80 | 77 | 76 | 61 | 69 | | Teuns | 78 | 75 | 73 | 73 | 66 | 72 |  Mayer | 77 | 69 | 65 | 72 | 72 | 77 | | Calmejane | 77 | 71 | 73 | 76 | 72 | 76 | | Grossschartner | 77 | 74 | 72 | 73 | 62 | 72 | | Mas | 77 | 78 | 74 | 74 | 60 | 77 | | Quita | 77 | 74 | 75 | 75 | 71 | 74 | | Van Poucke | 77 | 77 | 69 | 72 | 67 | 75 | | Bagioli | 77 | 71 | 76 | 72 | 69 | 76 |
Maybe someone else can surprise if so who?
Full startlist below. Good luck, everybody!
Spoiler
 Novak
Harper
Bagioli
Bravo
Swift
Kamp
Andersen
Santos
Meintjes
Ndayisenga
Uwizeyimana
Teuns
Van Eetvelt
Mugisha
Blouwe
Willems
Geoghegan Hart
Habtemichael
Christodoulos
Sheehan
Duyvesteyn
Fedorov
Duric
Rajovic
Kirsch
Girdlestone
Ries
Munton
Banzer
John
Alaphilippe
Tanfield
Mavrikakis
Spanopoulos
Soulious
Kiriakidis
Wenzel
Affini
Christapopoulos
Varotsos
Rodrigues
Sunderland
Fortunato
Benito
Orosco
Tusveld
Vasko
Kusi
Carboni
Leknessund
Senni
Vervaeke
Pavlic
Aleotti
Nsengimana
Peters
Cort Nielsen
Brkic
Adria
Gebrezgabihier
Bazhkou
Hulgaard
Vabo
Jansen
Tenorio
Sakalou
Canty
Affonso
Hefnar
Van Vliet
Arif Prayogo
Rubenis
Arndt
Heymes
Grossschartner
Fraile
Kabas
Bayer
Lienhard
Laurance
Stüssi
Darbellay
Delco
Stehli
Bol
Vernon
Rekita
Chavanne
McNulty
Chaiyasombat
Fung
Quita
Matsuda
Leung
Oomen
Van Poucke
Covi
Fedeli
Potocki
Sajnok
Weemaes
Mareczko
Chiarello
Goos
Freuler
Nuha
Villella
Groselj
Kloppenborg
De Pooter
Quintana
Bergstrom Frisk
Calmejane
Wouters
Drizners
Van Aert
Price-Pejtersen
Fagundez
Vosekalns
Guavita
Gomez
Jiang
De Witte
Sommer
Dressler
Paleni
Ardila
Brozyna
Stancu
Carretero Millan
Kennaugh
Kenyeres
Dina
Gonzalez
Kudus
Kolar
Hosek
Cerny
Kukrle
Toupalik
Frankovic
Skala
Alexander
Le Court
Mayer
Delgado Gonzales
White
Gayral
Marte
Hopkins
Bernal
Mas
Jaramillo
Oldani
Zambanini
Christensen
Krul
Ferreira
Fouche
Pomoshnikov
Khodayari
Strong
Van Zyl
Ganjkhanlou
Bloem
Plowright
Choi
Rodriguez
Finkler
Miquel
Gaday
Sam
Hesters
Gilmore
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 15-02-2025 20:12
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I had the intention to sign a second GC leader next to Cattaneo, but with that not happening and this race clashing with Dauphine we'll have to do with this squad. Maybe Vosekalns can get into a break somewhere or Jiang can surprise in the prologue, but with not even a sprinter it will be breakaway luck.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 15-02-2025 20:46
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Come on Sam, fight for that podium!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| ember |
Posted on 15-02-2025 21:18
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This is exciting! If we are lucky with AI treatment and gaps on the most difficult stages, this can be a great race for Novak. If the difficult stages are not that selective and he isn’t getting nice treatment due to the prolog ur and the TT, this will be a very poor race 
Very curious to find out which of the two scenarios that will play out here, or most likely something anywhere inbetween! |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 15-02-2025 21:33
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Could really do with a big performance from Choi here, ideally pushing for a Top 5. Going to be tough though as it's a strong start list with some very capable riders. Hesters here for the sprints looks like he'll have a chance to go for a stage win too. Finkler may even have a say in the Hills.
Thanks for the preview and good luck to all 
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 15-02-2025 21:46
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Should be an interesting race. I'm hoping Meintjes can perform well here. It's not the race he's most suited for, but at least a Top 10 result should be in the cards. And then I'm really hoping for some breakaway presence with Teuns and Ndayisenga, and maybe minor GC points for Uwizeyimana. Good luck everyone, and thanks for the preview!
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| Laurens147 |
Posted on 15-02-2025 23:00
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Thanks jt for the preview!  Hopefully we can score some points here in the stages itself and maybe Quintana a minor GC.
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| tastasol |
Posted on 16-02-2025 08:17
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Strong startlist here. Hopefully Cort can do a decent race, and then we also have some others who can chase some stage glory here and there.
Kudus the big favourite of course, but will be interesting to see how Bernal looks compared to him, following that Vuelta win.
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| SotD |
Posted on 16-02-2025 09:21
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This really show the difference between PT and PCT. At PCT level we would have been reasonably strong here atleast depth wise. Here and with that starting list we are just here to fill up the gaps.
Let's hope for some aggressive riding when we don't have any sort of favorites anywhere.
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-02-2025 09:29
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Should be a tough race to crack. A top5 would be pretty good, but I'm not that optimistic about Rodrigues' chances.
Thanks for the preview, jt!
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 16-02-2025 13:10
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Yeah, there was a time where I was looking forward to our home race. Not with my riders' current form, though.
Top3 in the prologue is a must for Gabby, winning would be lovely but against all odds.
Groves would be competitive in stages 2, 3 and 5, but with Bol I'd be surprised to get even just one Top 10.
And for the GC, Stüssi will once again suffer from his bad PRL. But if the mountain stages aren't ridden too hard - which I hope, given that neither S4 nor S6 look too hard (no long, steep climbs that is), he could still get a decent result. Same for Darbellay, just a level lower.
Would be nice to get some good points from here, but I was more positive pre-season that I currently am.
Thanks for the preview, good luck to all.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 16-02-2025 19:13
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Great chance for McNulty to do something great. Unfortunately I could only send 6 riders here, but Chaiyasombat, Fung and Quita should be a great support.
Leung and Matsuda are here for the prologue! |
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| redordead |
Posted on 17-02-2025 06:20
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Looks like another planning blunder on my end.
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 17-02-2025 10:36
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Pretty solid ride by Meintjes. Limits his losses to the better TTists, gains on the likes of Novak or Ardila (even Stüssi), that's really all you can ask for. Similarly, decent ride by Uwizeyimana, too. Let's see if Willems can do something tomorrow, and then the real racing begins.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 17-02-2025 10:49
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We got points!
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| ember |
Posted on 17-02-2025 12:38
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Kragh is such a beauty 
That looks to have been a monster prologue as well, both the winning margin and seeing how few riders are inside 20 seconds, 60 or so riders feels like not many on such a distance. Quietly hopeful it makes Kragh try his luck on stage 2 as well, and not give Santos the chance on the stage. Suspect Kragh could be the better play for a good stage finish.
Novak got a lot of work to do, which was expected after the prologue. I must hope he can grab bonus seconds and be on the front foot on stage 3, 4 and 5, before stage 6 looks to maybe be the Queen stage here. |
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| knockout |
Posted on 17-02-2025 13:26
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Kragh <3
Such a beast - congrats ember!
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 17-02-2025 14:16
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WVA is getting points he never got when he was riding for us
Oomen with a decent start here.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Laurens147 |
Posted on 17-02-2025 15:09
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Ollfardh wrote:
WVA is getting points he never got when he was riding for us
Oomen with a decent start here.
The full 2 points  Good start from WVA, hopefully we can continue on this trend. Congrats ember with the win!
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 17-02-2025 21:10
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Hate it. Gabby once again draws the short straw and gets just the minimum. And SKA@PCM22 is just ridiculous, guy is completely OP with this version. Game version change was a real game changer for him... Too much randomness isn't good for the game, but none at all isn't any better, either. Guess ITTs are fine with surprise results every now or then, would've liked to see that in prologues as well...
Hopefully we'll still get a stage win somehow, seems like Bol should be among the favourites tomorrow - whatever that means in his 2024 "form". Stüssi will have to enter damage limitation mode for the next 5 days, until the final stage should be a bit more in his favour.
Thanks for the report.
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