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Bikex
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Posted on 07-12-2021 12:29
New database: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...mp;sd=true (NCs not updated yet)

Retired Riders:
Spoiler
54StamsnijderTomNED
57SantaromitaIvanITA
64MartinTonyGER
69VelitsPeterSVK
72OffredoYohanFRA
90MartinDanielIRL
111HollensteinRetoSWI
118StroetingaWimNED
143CornuDominiqueBEL
144ChuzhdaOlegUKR
185RodríguezJacksonVEN
192VillaRomainFRA
195FailliFrancescoITA
211NeyensMaartenBEL
242MontagutiMatteoITA
251RoelsDominikGER
268FernándezDelioESP
349MatéLuis ÁngelESP
355LafuenteAndoniESP
360VandenberghStijnBEL
378EskovNikitaRUS
380DehaesKennyBEL
408ChiariniRiccardoITA
416SelvaggiMirkoITA
427SiutsouKanstantsinBLR
435SabatiniFabioITA
499DyachenkoAlexsandrKAZ
519GarcíaEgoitzESP
529FantiniAlessandroITA
547MortensenMartinDEN
572KlemmeDominicGER
604VossPaulGER
613VelitsMartinSVK
630LoweTrentAUS
678BonoMatteoITA
686BrajkovičJanezSLO
753MarczynskiTomaszPOL
784MarcatoMarcoITA
853SulzbergerWesleyAUS
859ReigRubénESP
863BonnafondGuillaumeFRA
866SchöffmannMartinAUT
906MalacarneGaëlFRA
960GaiaMicheleITA
983CataldoDarioITA
986DevenynsDriesBEL
987GrabovskyyDmytroUKR
1012TerpstraNikiNED
1023RenevSergeyKAZ
1033CarusoDamianoITA
1062LhotellerieClémentFRA
1072TomeiFrancescoITA
1086VorganovEduardRUS
1165TollesonTaylorUSA
1184SamoilauBranislauBLR
1199BoleGregaSLO
1215KurthMichaelGER
1379HerradaJoséESP
1469CazauxPierreFRA
1476VachonFlorianFRA
1835GérardArnaudFRA
1848ReynèsVicenteESP
1879Van den BroeckJurgenBEL
1887NavarroDanielESP
1910SesmaDanielESP
1932PorteRichieAUS
1937Van WindenDennisNED
1996UrainBeñatESP
2001FranciscoDavidESP
2021WilmannFrederikNOR
2028ChtiouiRafaâTUN
2029CiavattaPaoloITA
2062MarguttiDamianoITA
2070Van VoorenStevenBEL
2078DiasRobsonBRA
2094DebusschereMaximBEL
2097MinneStijnBEL
2110DegandThomasBEL
2112PolazziFabioBEL
2161DorozalaAleksanderPOL
2178VishnevskiyRomanUKR
2190PichonLaurentFRA
2199SchmittMorganUSA
2212KreutzfeldtDanielDEN
2236CzajkowskiKonradPOL
2270ColoAlessandroITA
2285GrafAndreasAUT
2303KhatuntsevAlexanderRUS
2311LauenerAlainSWI
2315LyalkoAlexeyKAZ
2404NortonBradleyAUS
2421VerschuerenBartBEL
2467SpringerChristophGER
2471Van HeerdenChristoffSAR
2501HanDavidFRA
2509KrederDennisNED
2542StarkDominiqueSWI
2556VazDavidPOR
2564CammaertsEdwigBEL
2577Korts-LaurErvinEST
2592RizzaEmanueleITA
2610BarleFlorentFRA
2618DuarteFabioCOL
2620FrohnFlorianGER
2624GrassmannFranzAUT
2640PiscopielloFabioITA
2669GallGeorgGER
2698RussellGillAUS
2713AngelovHristomirBUL
2766SarabiaIgnacioMEX
2767SyrtsevIlyaRUS
2777AntomarchiJulienFRA
2780BartlettJoshUSA
2795ChuggJoshuaAUS
2796ClauwaertJoeriBEL
2811FiedlerJacobGER
2846NesvedaJiriCZE
2882SuazaJaimeCOL
2887TollesJoachimGER
2896VenterJacobusSAR
2954DamianiLucaITA
2957DenonfouxLaurentFRA
2981PriaLarsROM
2992WinterLukasAUT
2995RichezeMauro AbelARG
3010BrusMarcoNED
3013CaddeoManueleITA
3015ChedhommeMorganFRA
3020DamiensMickaëlFRA
3027FischerMarcelGER
3042GreenMattGBR
3064KaiserMichaelDEN
3070KomarMateuszPOL
3074KuktaMariusLTU
3084MatsumuraMitsuhiroJPN
3097O'BrienMarkAUS
3103PerryMarcGBR
3126StoopMichaelUSA
3150AlbertNielsBEL
3168LasisNormundsLAT
3175RossiNazarenoSWI
3177SchnyderNicolasSWI
3190PardiniOlivierBEL
3205CieslikPawelPOL
3229LechnerPetrCZE
3254WachnikPawełPOL
3257ZielinskiPiotrPOL
3269ChabaneRedhouaneALG
3273DammRasmusDEN
3329VinhasRuiPOR
3339ParkSung BaekKOR
3354ColletStéphenBEL
3364GeorgesSylvainFRA
3404PöllStefanAUT
3424WielandtSvenBEL
3427AlbiezTimoGER
3437DekkerThomasNED
3460MurrayThomasGBR
3461NankervisTommyAUS
3463OkrouhlickyTomasCZE
3464OlejnikTomaszPOL
3511VitasovicVedranCRO
3518HalejakWojcieckPOL
3533WolfenbargerWadeUSA
3551SuzukiYuzuruJPN
3553KrizekZdenekCZE
3560Van PoppelBoyNED
3561VermeltfoortCoenNED
3576PakthusovAnatoliyUKR
3589AgarkovYuriyUKR
3590DementyevYegorUKR
3604StarobudtsevStanislavRUS
3625PfingstenChristophGER
3641DelrotBastienFRA
3643ClaeysDimitriBEL
3670BaltazarCarlosPOR
3671FonteCesarPOR
3700De JongeMaartenNED
3709MorrásAlbertoESP
3719SanchoBrunoPOR
3724PimentaJoséPOR
3726BarbosaMárcioPOR
3728CalvoRubénESP
3732LarsenKasparDEN
3763MartinezAlexiUSA
3779CzirakiIstvanHUN
3785BaldoNicolasFRA
3790HaceckyVojtechCZE
3831LathamPeterNZL
3843LillDarrenSAR
3869ReijnenKielUSA
3876VerraesBenjaminBEL
3891VandousselaereSvenBEL
3914AnthonyJesseUSA
3937PasseronAurélienFRA
3947D'AndreaNicolaITA
3954BibbyIanGBR
3959WilliamsPeterGBR
3975VivesCharlyCAN
3985RothRyanCAN
3988ApplebyDaleGBR
3991StewartJamesGBR
3997WetterhallAlexanderSWD
4000RudenstamFilipSWD
4006HortonTobynGBR
4011CalabriaFabioAUS
4018StewartScottUSA
4030HeymansCyrilleLUX
4032PatronChristianBEL
4077LigthartPimNED
4095RandazzoGianlucaITA
4100MaggioreGianlucaITA
4101RocchettiFedericoITA
4117BonnetNicolasFRA
4131HeytensKessBEL
4181MunroCaseyAUS
4192SaggioratoMircoSWI
4254FlaksisTomsLAT
4268RodgerShemNZL
4360WongStevenHKG
4361LiuBiaoCHN
4363JiangKunCHN
4372AguilarJoseESP
4381KurekAdrianPOL
4391SerebryakovAlexanderRUS
4438Van HoovelsKevinBEL
4444PérichonPierre-LucFRA
4468BihelCésarFRA
4493BertholetQuentinBEL
4502TeslerArtemUKR
4537LarpeMickaelFRA
4570AverinMaksymUKR
4605LemieuxPatUSA
4606StemperJamesUSA
4617Von HoffSteeleAUS
4622KingNathanUSA
4630KeoghQuinnUSA
4644HawkinsPeterIRL
4656NorrisLachlanAUS
4691ArangoJuan EstebanCOL
4695ValenciaJuan PabloCOL
4715LozanoDavidESP
4786ButtoFedericoITA
4800ChioccaMathieuFRA
4867SnookChrisGBR
4870ZamparellaMarcoITA
4904HepworthRichardGBR
4914ZawackiBenjaminUSA
4918CastiblancoJorgeCOL
4919CastroJose NicolasCOL
4921OyolaRobigzonCOL
4932FernandesLuis FilipePOR
5060BecerraEduinVEN
5149BrunFrédéricFRA
5200TorresRodolfoCOL
5272ShawDamienIRL
5289Ahmad LutfiMohdMAS
5428BeckerPhillipGER
5438FonteGianfeliceHUN
7021JumabekovNazarKAZ
7058CostaCarlosBRA
7086MashimaReoJPN
7090KauffmannJacobAUS
7102GiacoppoAnthonyAUS
7107ShawPatrickAUS
7118AsadovElchinAZE
7121IsmayilovAgshinAZE
7151FujikiYusukeJPN
7158YonemuraKuranosukeJPN
7295CardoenHenryBEL
7332SagátArtúrHUN
7346HernandezGustavoARG
7445KhriptaAndriyUKR
7446KononenkoMykhayloUKR
7450VasylyukAndriyUKR
7459AnuawarAhmadMAS
7466LohSeaMAS
7471DowlingMarkIRL
7491ChangWeiTPE
7500WuPingTPE
7545KalMiracTUR
7559JonesCalebAUS
7570GötzMarkusAUT
7614SibilaPedroCUB
7616AthanasiadesMariosCYP
7620NavarreteSegundoECU
7705CiocanAlexandruROM


I made a small mistake when removing the riders, so Tony Martin, Jurgen Van Den Broeck and Jacobus Venter were retired despite not having announced to do and still being on a team. I hope the respective managers don't mind. If you do, message me!
Edited by Bikex on 01-08-2023 22:19
 
Bikex
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Posted on 07-12-2021 12:33
Renewals - Only for established teams


Download: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...mp;sd=true

This is how the renewals work: A rider demands a certain wage of you. You can then decide whether you want to accept that wage and re-sign him for the next season, don't prolong his contract or wait. You have three chances to make an offer before the negotiations end.

How does the file work:
1 Put in C3 your team ID. If you forgot it, check it in table "teams".
2 In column H the riders current wage is listed in row I the minimum wage that has to be paid. In column K you see the demand of the rider. In the cell on the left of that you usually see a 0. Only exception being an "IN" if you signed the rider during Scouting.
3 In N you make your first offers. If you agree to the wage the rider wants just write it there. If you want to make an offer with a lower wage than put in there how much you offer instead. If you want the rider to leave the team put a 0. If you want to wait with negotiations to a later round put a "W" in there.
4 In row 2 you see how much budget you'd have left with your offers.
5 If you made your offers go to "PM" copy for round 1 cells B-C and send them to me in a table. In round 2 you will send me F-G and in round 3 J-K.
6 After sending me a pm you will get an answer from me asap with the riders reactions. Go to "Renewals" sort the riders after their ID and put the list you get into row R for round 1, for round 2 that'd be row S and for round 3 row T. If a rider is out the list will tell you "OUT", if the rider agrees to your offer it will say "IN". If you didn't reach the min wage he'd accept you will either get 1,2 or 3 +. If it's only one the lowest wage he'd accept is within 50. If there are 2 then it is between 50 and 100 and with three + it is more than 100 away.
7 If you get +s back then you can continue negotiations in column O (round 2) and column P (round 3). If you get back an "IN" or "OUT" then you can't continue negotiations as you already came to an agreement with the rider.
8 If you didn't come to an agreement with the rider after 3 rounds then he'll leave the team.
9 You are not allowed to be over your budget after Renewals. It also counts as being over budget if you can't sign enough riders with the lowest possible min wage of 100 anymore. The numbers in the renewals file take that into account.

Mediator

Some Teams have put some money in last season's research into mediator. In the spoiler below you can see how much. With each mediator unit you can lower the minimum a rider would accept by 5-15 (One unit costed 10). Just tell me when sending in the first renewals round on which rider(s) you want to spend your mediator.

Spoiler
TeamUnits
Strava - Avanti5
Liberty Seguros1
Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerry2
Team BP1
Grupo Argos - Quala10
Education First x Palace - Nippo8
Sevilla Cycling Team20
Credit Suisse6
Tierra del Fuego2
VIP Mobile10
Santos - Euskadi26
Italo5
Deutsche Bahn2


I hope everyone understands how it works.
Let me know if you have any questions!
 
cio93
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Posted on 07-12-2021 15:12
Progress! \o/
 
cio93
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Posted on 07-12-2021 15:40
I had to request access to these files?
 
ivaneurope
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Posted on 07-12-2021 16:23
cio93 wrote:
I had to request access to these files?


Same here Sad
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Bikex
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Posted on 07-12-2021 17:49
Sorry about that files are now accessible!
 
Ripley
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Posted on 07-12-2021 19:57
It's working now! Wow, look at our budget soar, goal more than fulfilled.

Btw, is there some new mechanic for U23 riders? Why on earth are Richards and Rodriguez demanding a raise, together they collected just 13 prestige points. While Fritsch wants less than Richards - AVG 73.8 vs 69.3, prestige points 185 vs 5.
i.imgur.com/6Km77FO.png

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Fabianski
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Posted on 07-12-2021 21:57
Thanks for these news! Happy to see we got a slightly higher budget than last year despite performing below expectations in several target races.

Just to make sure: can riders be offended by an offer and quit the team without us having a chance for a 2nd offer (like in MG)? Or do we always have the 3 rounds to find an agreement?


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jandal7
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Posted on 07-12-2021 22:33
Wow past jandal is a smart cookie buying those 26 mediator units Grin
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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Shonak
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Posted on 08-12-2021 10:30
Great to see this continue, wonder how Liberty can manage with three heavy hitters and if we can stay within the budget. Transfer season gonna be fire.
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DarkWolf
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Posted on 08-12-2021 10:34
Awesome to see this coming up! I'm really excited about this transfer period, especially so since for my first season I missed the previous one. Smile
 
Bikex
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Posted on 08-12-2021 10:55
Fabianski wrote:
Thanks for these news! Happy to see we got a slightly higher budget than last year despite performing below expectations in several target races.

Just to make sure: can riders be offended by an offer and quit the team without us having a chance for a 2nd offer (like in MG)? Or do we always have the 3 rounds to find an agreement?


You always have 3 rounds. Riders won't be offended!
 
df_Trek
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Posted on 08-12-2021 11:09
can't believe Monfort will still riding in 2022!!
My Stages

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Bikex
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Posted on 08-12-2021 15:19
Ripley wrote:
It's working now! Wow, look at our budget soar, goal more than fulfilled.

Btw, is there some new mechanic for U23 riders? Why on earth are Richards and Rodriguez demanding a raise, together they collected just 13 prestige points. While Fritsch wants less than Richards - AVG 73.8 vs 69.3, prestige points 185 vs 5.


Sorry missed the question. Generally the potential has an influence on the asked wage, especially for younger riders. On the open market a potential 7 rider would usually get more than his min wage, that's why they tend to ask for more than that in renewals as well
 
Shonak
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Posted on 08-12-2021 17:35
Taking a first look at the new DB, what kind of ungodly creature has Kwiatek become, MT80, HL80, ACC79 and TT77 Shock
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"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
 
Ripley
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Posted on 08-12-2021 18:02
Thanks, Bikex, I guess that makes sense. Richards will stay no matter how greedy he is. Smile

There might be a RD miscalculation somewhere. Bardet has 48 RD, that seems too much, more than some other riders. Also, sprinters don't seem have more RDs than stage racers anymore - was that intentional?
i.imgur.com/6Km77FO.png

pcmdaily.com/files/Awards2019/team%20story.png
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/Awards2020/avatar.png
 
Bikex
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Posted on 08-12-2021 19:33
Yeah there seems to be a mistake with the racedays. One thing is that the fitness trainers from last season were still applied. But also something else seems to have gone wrong. For now just ignore it please, I'll update when I figure out what happened.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
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Posted on 08-12-2021 23:24
Bikex wrote:
Sorry about that files are now accessible!


still telling me I have to request access. which I did but not sure if that was intended.

Any chance you will publish how the goals scoring looked like you did last year? I had a specific strategy around that and am interested in how it worked.
Man Game: McCormick Pro Cycling
 
Bikex
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Posted on 09-12-2021 10:45
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Bikex wrote:
Sorry about that files are now accessible!


still telling me I have to request access. which I did but not sure if that was intended.

Any chance you will publish how the goals scoring looked like you did last year? I had a specific strategy around that and am interested in how it worked.


Strange for others it worked.
I uploaded the files to mediafire as well now, for those having trouble:
Renewals: https://www.mediafire.com/file/a1pdfi....xlsx/file
DB: https://www.mediafire.com/file/fec0o8....xlsx/file

About the focus races:

Just realized I need to check something Embarassed

Edit: Okay so I'll later post an update with some slightly adjusted budgets! Sorry sometimes I'm stupid. Of course I'll make sure no-one will have any disadvantage because of that.
Thanks @Ulrich for making me aware of that Wink
Edited by Bikex on 09-12-2021 11:03
 
Bikex
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Posted on 09-12-2021 14:36
Budgets now correct in renewals file. Please redownload the renewals file!
Sorry about that! The changes are mostly not big
 
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