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Post Danmark Rundt Discussion
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Post Danmark Rundt


History

YearWinnerTeam
2019Omar FraileDesigual
2018Matthias BrändleSPAR - Shimano - SCG
2017Mikhail IgnatievFerrero - Samruk
2016Kiril YatsevichThe Spark Project p/b Bollé
2015Jacob FiedlerKarcher-Adira
2014Michael RogersOz Cycling Project
2013David ZabriskieING Cycling - Project
2012Kai ReusVolksWagen - Siemens
2011Thor HushovdMilka
2010Dominique CornuJack Wolfskin
2009Wes SulzbergerIRN BRU - RBS
2008Steven CaethovenTinkoff Credit Systems


The Post Danmark Rundt is sponsored by the Danish Postal Service, it could be translated as Mail Denmark Tour. Looking at its twelve-year history there are twelve different winners, in recent history mostly time trialists with decent hill quality. Last year the race was part of the HC calendar but has been downgraded to C2HC, to give local team Carlsberg a guaranteed home race. Who will win unlucky edition thirteen?

Profiles

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Denmark is pretty flat, so don't expect mountains in this race. Instead we have three flat stages for the sprinters, one hilly stage and a time trial. Note that the hilly stage was actually quite tame last year, with many time trialists finishing in the first group. That route hasn't changed, so the puncheurs need to find other avenues to attack. Especially since the time trial is the closing stage, puncheurs have to go on the attack early.

Startlist

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PuncheursHLTTSPTime trialistsTTHLSP
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ssr.png Zaini806165pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/phi.png Dumoulin786865
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/phi.png Watson786862pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/lph.png Sterbini786657
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Juul-Jensen786766pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Cruz786368
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/nel.png Palini786668pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Quaade786361
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gct.png Eiking786568pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Li786175
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Quevedo786565pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Ghyselinck776864
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gct.png Mehr-Wenige786366pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Downey776761
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gct.png Flügel786265pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Oram776469
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/esc.png Hugentobler785856pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Sebright776054
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/spr.png Costa777366pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afr.png Laizer775865
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/spr.png Pellaud776665pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/eur.png Koren767265
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/trg.png Hoelgaard776568pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tst.png Ignatiev767168
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bsb.png Ben Nasser776468pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tst.png Steensen767162
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Tsatevich776075pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afr.png Kiflay766866
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Le Gac776064pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afr.png Hamza766356
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/trg.png Smirnovs775672pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afr.png Gretsch766168
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Caruso775669pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Richardson756858
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/lph.png Bru775466pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ssr.png Maccagli756663
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cen.png Lienhard756673pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/trg.png Norsgaard756457


On the left, puncheurs, on the right, time trialists. Either category could provide the winner, but my money would be on the latter given the recent history. But we'll start on the left to keep the suspense.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ssr.png Zaini is the best puncheur but amongst the worst time trialists, so he has to gain minutes on the hilly stage to even get in GC contention.

Riders like pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/phi.png Watson, local hope pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Juul-Jensen, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/nel.png Palini, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gct.png Eiking and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Quevedo are all better than the Italian but not amazing either. Together they need to gain a lot of time on stage three.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/esc.png Hugentobler does the unthinkable and is even rated worse than Zaini on the time trial. His pure goal this race should become winning the third stage, as should be the case for all previously mentioned.

The first rider who could use his specialties is pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/spr.png Costa, who is by far the best time trialist amongst the puncheurs and perhaps the only one with a realistic shot of the overall victory.

Special mention to hilly sprinters pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Tsatevich and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cen.png Lienhard who might pick up bonus seconds on the flatter stages.

So we find the GC contenders on the right side of the board, the time trialists. They will battle it out on the final stage, so don't expect any of them in yellow before the final stage. Not everyone is as adapted to the hills but a lower stat here is not as catastrophic as a lower time trial stat for the puncheurs.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/phi.png Dumoulin is the top favorite on the right side because he has respectable hill capabilities, but not much more than a pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/lph.png Sterbini. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Cruz, local hero pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Quaade and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Li might get in trouble on the hills, though the latter could compensate in the sprints.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Ghyselinck and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Downey are on level with the Dutchman and are definitely contenders for the victory. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Oram needs an easy hilly stage while pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Sebright and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afr.png Laizer are expected to be amongst the first to lose contact.

Veteran pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tst.png Ignatiev won this race in 2017, a lifetime ago in cycling terms. However, with the reduced race category he once again comes into contention, definitely being the best puncheurs out of the top time trialists.

The white jersey will go to pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ssr.png Maccagli or pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/trg.png Norsgaard, especially since there isn't much competition on the puncheurs side.

SprintersSPACHLSprintersSPACHL
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Kragh Andersen817764pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Sanikwathi787866
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/sva.png Bouhanni807763pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/phi.png Boev787865
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/nel.png Ulanowski807758pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Yamamoto787865
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afr.png Van Heerden807066pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bnz.png Altanzul787569
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cen.png Scully798067pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bnz.png Von Hoff787565
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Coutinho798065pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cen.png Merino Criado777968
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Bennett797964pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Barbier777967
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/trg.png Krieger797962pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Feiereisen777868
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/lph.png Manarelli797959pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/sva.png Sbaragli777866
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Bertilsson797769pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bsb.png Habtom777861
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ssr.png Pelucchi797768pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/eur.png Schorn777761
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tst.png Mezgec797767pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Eislers767572


Three stages for the sprinters so obviously many contenders travel to Denmark, you'd say. However, La Tropicale Amissa Bongo brings only flat stages so the real superstars prefer to go to Gabon.

Carlsberg though couldn't resist sending another local here: pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cdb.png Kragh Andersen. He might be the best sprinter here but also brings great responsibility.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/sva.png Bouhanni and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/nel.png Ulanowski are his main rivals. Three stages means all three could take one stage, but don't expect that kind of negotiations.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/afr.png Van Heerden always appears in this list but at one point we just have to accept he has to train his acceleration to be worthwhile to spend much attention on. He did win the second stage in 2015, being the only rider on the startlist other than Ignatiev to have won a stage here.

This race is mandatory for Continental Teams, while Bongo isn't, so some can afford to send their entire sprint train. Guave has pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Coutinho, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Yamamoto, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Barbier and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gsc.png Feiereisen. Heck they could even go for two sprint trains.

Other names to definitely appear hanging on to a train are pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/cen.png Scully, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/gla.png Bennett, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/trg.png Krieger, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/lph.png Manarelli, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/ssr.png Pelucchi, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/tst.png Mezgec, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/car.png Sanikwathi, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/phi.png Boev and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2020/Micros/bnz.png Von Hoff. Obviously some will leave disappointed as not all can be winners.
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baseballlover312
Huge race for us, which is pretty obvious I guess. We have to expect to show up for our sponsors as well as the available C2HC points. We didn't have a proper hybrid guy for overall victory after Steensen left, so that automatically put us at a disadvantage. Maybe it would have been worth risking Warbasse or Eg here as a sneaky coup, but it didn't work with race day rations. So, we have instead sent 3 Danish leaders to Denmark, one for each terrain.

AKA is obviously a top guy here, and we've sent every helper possible behind him. For that reason, I can hardly expect him to perform. We haven't formed a train all year, and even if Bertilsson and Eislers do their job this time, he could just as easily crack after a perfect leadout and end up outside the top ten. I have less faith in the importance of his flat and resistance than I did at the beginning of the year.

Our goal for him is very simple: a stage win and the green jersey. I don't expect to accomplish it. The sprint field is as wide as ever. I had hoped more guys would go to Tropicale Amissa Bongo so I could take advantage of the split field. Instead, it will basically be a toss up like always. Hopefully we can get lucky for once. Maybe the secret stat nationality bonus will save us.

We brought JJ for the hilly stage, and if we can force some selection, anything is possible. The question is really if we can. I'm not confident based on the last few years. At the very least we need a top 5, maybe a podium on stage 3 to make it worth JJ's race days. If we can somehow force some gaps, he might even have a shot at decent GC. But of course, we don't really have a team that can force that selection, so it's unlikely.

Then we have Quaade for the TT. TT's can be pretty random, so it could go either way for his chances to place. Problem is, he is maybe the worst climber of the time trialists, so no way he survives stage 3 even if it's relatively easy. He'll probably be better off saving it for a go at the stage win.

So, I hope to place in every stage, but it seems unlikely we can get many GC points here. It's improbable the race will be selective or unselective enough for JJ or Quaade. That makes it all the more important that we get as many stage points as possible, and feature our jersey frequently in positive settings.

Thanks for the preview!
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Fabianski
This is one of those races with one stage in it killing every kind of GC hope we might have... But we do at least have some goals for the remaining ones:
Scully has finally woken up in the Netherlands, scoring his second podium of the year in a C1 race. Unlike the reporter, I actually think we might build a train with Merino Criado and Lienhard/Walscheid - but I agree we haven't done so this far... Still, if he gets three good days on the flat, some nice stage results and a good position in the race for the green jersey could be possible. It would have been even more an option with Reinhardt, but he obviously goes to Africa...

For the hilly stage, we mainly bring Lienhard, hoping he'll join the breakaway, gets some good KoM points and wins the stage. Of course, that would be the optimal scenario, so it won't happen, but we still hope he gets some of those things right.

The TT then is way too long for any of our riders to get a lucky good result. Still, I hope that Mäder can compete for the Top 3 in the U25 standings, seeing that he trails Maccagli and Norsgaard by not that much and might gain a few seconds on the hilly stage. For the GC, though, we'd have to be very lucky to somehow sneak into the Top 30 I guess.

Thanks for the preview, Marco!
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
3rd string (5th string for the rest of you) here as Keough and the boys go to Gabon, Should have brought Frankovic to Denmark to hunt for some cheap points since Keough probably won't be using lead outs and that hilly stage might be well suited Frankovic.

The relatively strong sprint field here does give me hope that Keough won't be so far down the start list in Africa he doesn't sprint,

Keeping faith in AKA myself, I wonder if that low ACC is his Achilles heel. Kemboi and Holloway, the two other high FL/RS sprinters are both going pretty well.
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AbhishekLFC
Two-pronged attack with Dumoulin the odds-on leader, unless the hills have a serious impact. Watson is here for the hilly stage in case that becomes selective. For the sprints, Boev has been doing better than his stats suggest and we hope that continues. Not getting our hopes too high for this one, but we do expect a decent haul of points.

Thanks for the great preview Marco Smile
 
Jakstar22
Not my strongest team here. Altanzul as our best sprinter/hill climber and has shown he can be competitive at times so that should be interesting. Von Hoff with his downgraded stats here so not sure what to expect. Hopefully the hill stage is a selective sprint for Altanzul to shine. I have a couple of younger TT riders so really not sure what to expect here...

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Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
3rd string (5th string for the rest of you) here as Keough and the boys go to Gabon, Should have brought Frankovic to Denmark to hunt for some cheap points since Keough probably won't be using lead outs and that hilly stage might be well suited Frankovic.

The relatively strong sprint field here does give me hope that Keough won't be so far down the start list in Africa he doesn't sprint,

Keeping faith in AKA myself, I wonder if that low ACC is his Achilles heel. Kemboi and Holloway, the two other high FL/RS sprinters are both going pretty well.


That would be my guess at this point, besides the general randomness. Kind of sucks though when the one thing that seemed obvious coming from PCM 15 was that ACC would now have less of an impact. I wonder at this point if it would have been better to raise his ACC and SPR with training.
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Bjartne
I guess we'll have to put all our hopes in to Koren which is an decent time trialler. I doubt Schorn get to do much here, and we haven't brougth any good puncheurs.

It seems ages ago we got a podium and I can't see it coming here either.
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Nemolito
baseballlover312 wrote:
That would be my guess at this point, besides the general randomness. Kind of sucks though when the one thing that seemed obvious coming from PCM 15 was that ACC would now have less of an impact. I wonder at this point if it would have been better to raise his ACC and SPR with training.


I think he will score way more points with an ACC around 79 next season (in the PCT). Then he is a bit comparable with Saber imo, who has been doing quite well in C1 sprints. The best sprinter just doesn't seem to be doing as good as he should in general in PCM18, mostly because of the train system not working. Then also make sure his flat is not too high, as with a stacked field of sprinters the game then decides he is a rouleur instead of a sprinter and tries going for late attacks, as I have seen from several riders in my reports. 77 is already quite high, so unless you plan on getting his SPR (and ACC) to 82/83 I think it will be smart to leave it like that. But like I said, I would really consider training his sprint by 2 points, if you can find the funds of course.

Now to the race, but sticking with your team Pfft As home team and bringing two important ICL riders from my team there (Quaade and JJ), I hope you do well Smile

We brought Manarelli here for the sprints. The only two races he really sprinted, he had four second places and one win in two stages. Obviously the competition here is tougher, but as he is still in the top-10 of sprinters I expect him to join the sprints and maybe/hopefully get a stage podium somewhere. As he should be too bad to have a train himself, I would like to see Quicibal attacking and scoring some KoM-points. Second stage would be ideal for him, so I expect him to go in the first stage where there are no available points Pfft

Our biggest hope of scoring isn't with stage success, but in the GC of course. Even though I am afraid stage 3 will be selective, you all seem to think it won't, which I hope is right. Didn't bring a puncheur (because we don't have one Pfft), so we're putting everything on Sterbini in the time trial. I don't know in how far recovery will play a role, but except for that I think a top-5 in the GC must be doable, as long as he doesn't lose time on earlier stages.

Thank you for the preview Marco, I hope your former riders Manarelli and Bru show you what they've learned while riding for you (although we both know Bru won't be showing a lot Grin)
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Nemolito
Manarelli had an okay sprint, but terrible positioning. At least it is now sure that we won't leave this race without any points Smile Congratulations to Tinxia once again, thank you Marco for the first report, and a "I feel sorry" for Brown and McCormick Pfft
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Fabianski
I can live with 4th on the first stage, as I'm actually relieved that Scully indeed competes in those C2HC sprints. And I can live with being beaten by Krieger, but always losing to those weaker guys is getting really nasty. And having no breakaway rider in 90% of the stages ain't cool, either.
But I especially feel for bbl, who had a horrible start in his home tour Sad Hoping things will turn around for you, mate!

Thanks for the report, Marco!
 
baseballlover312
Yeah, I won't be having sprinters from now on. Absolutely senseless and pitiful.
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Ulrich Ulriksen
Nemolito wrote:
Manarelli had an okay sprint, but terrible positioning. At least it is now sure that we won't leave this race without any points Smile Congratulations to Tinxia once again, thank you Marco for the first report, and a "I feel sorry" for Brown and McCormick Pfft


Thanks for the thoughts, sure this isn't the first time he has finished last. He wanted to lose lots of time so he wouldn't be threat in the GC and go in breaks.

Nice ride by Menicuci, good breakaway appearances are our main goal.

Agree AKA could do with some ACC but with that kind of positioning luck he could have been an 85/85 and still not been a factor.
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liefwarrior
Hoelgaard evidently not likely to be our leader this time out, unfortunate for Krieger but still a nice sprint.
 
AbhishekLFC
Boev doing well again. No complaints from that stage!

Thanks for the report Smile
 
liefwarrior
Another nice result from Krieger, lets see what the puncheur duo can do tomorrow.
 
Fabianski
Really can't believe what Boev is doing this year. He has absolutely no special stats, no team support, but delivers constantly. Really a ridiculously good pick from Philips...
On the other hand, those random sprints really are a shame for those who invested serious money into their sprinters - mainly thinking of bbl, of course. And yeah, I'm pi**ed by Scully's result of course, but taking the leader's wheel on a flat stage is almost never the way to go, so that can be explained.

But the team really has to do something now. No clue why they never attack, we just don't seem to be among the select teams...

Thanks for the report, and congrats to Nordica on a win that's at least somewhat explainable.
 
baseballlover312
Okay.

I just have no idea how this kind of team performance is possible. 4th is better on paper? I guess. 4th itself is perfectly realistic. But no, I can't be happy about it. There's no optimism in this result. It only shows how insane this is. He wasn't out-sprinted, he just made choices that no professional cyclist would ever make.

I brought all flat guys here. AKA has more helpers than he could possibly need. We have 4 guys on the front pacing all day, and then they do absolutely nothing in the finale. Nothing. No train. In fact, they all disappear as soon as they're actually needed! Bertilsson has 79 sprint, good backups, and is nowhere to be seen. De Vreese is sprinting on his own for 12th for some ungodly reason, and everyone else took the day off.

AKA has 77 FLAT!! Staying in good position at the front should be the thing he is great at. It should be what makes him the most consistent if not the most explosive because of his ACC. He should not be the guy surging from 20th position just to grab a placing EVER, especially not in this race with these domestiques. He was given every single tool that is supposed to be important in the game engine, and the game just decides that it doesn't matter. Guys with low flat and resistance are in perfect position while he just randomly let's gaps go. There's no logic to it. He just decides to be stupid from day to day.

Why is my team riding all day to do nothing for the sprint? Why? Somebody explain it, please! Somebody explain to me how this stats engine and AI possibly make any sense. I've been waiting for the answer for so long, and it never comes. It's just pure stupidity. Stupid decisions, lucky breaks, it doesn't matter. We could win stage 4 and it wouldn't make up for it, it would only prove the rule of idiocy that this game has devolved to.

I shouldn't have trained AKA's sprint in the offseason, I should have paid for a special education tutor. He obviously has a severe learning disability that prevents him from knowing that as a sprinter, he should, idk, prepare for the sprint!!!

/rant

Sorry for the rage. To be clear, I don't think AKA "deserves" more than 4th over guys from other managers who put together their teams very well. It's just how the sprints happen that I am frustrated with. Congrats to Nordica, and thanks to Marcovdw for a great report. I'm sorry to tarnish your work with my anger, it's just hard to keep watching these things happen.

JJ better have some heroics tomorrow, it only feels like it will get worse.
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TinxiaS
A bit sad for Luka Mezgec that he couldn't be in the top 10 today.
I hope my two TT leaders can be in the top 10 places and not lose time to the winner tomorrow.


Yesterday's performance from Luka Mezgec was a bit surprising as he won the stage and I'm really happy but I hope that my team can still get one good result in one of the stages or more like overall.

Thanks to everyone Smile Congrats on the win KingTheManiak and thanks for the report Marco. Smile
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Boev is the gift that keeps on giving Grin Didn't expect to be in any jersey but that's a huge bonus from this race. Stage 3 will be important for our GC ambitions.

Congrats to Nordica on the win and thanks for the report Smile
 
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