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Should Astana have their licens?
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| Maddox |
Posted on 10-12-2014 16:46
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It's a kind of a double-edged sword, I think. There are several teams that have had similar cases/conditions in the past, and what to do with them? Should they be thrown away, or does is belong in the past? Should we make an example of Astana, or should they be spared?
It is a very lovingly issue that can be tackled in many ways. I do not think, there is a clear way to go, it's like a little path with many hidden holes.
One should also bear in mind that there is a difference between continentalteam and WorldTour-team. There are three doping cases in continentalteam, and it's 15% of the team. It's pretty much, and one can consider whether there must be consequences, when it is so absurdly high numbers.
The WorldTour-team have two positive samples, plus their stagiaire, and if he is not included, is is 7%, which is in fact also quite a lot.
Had the team been for example Etixx-QuickStep, I would not say that it should have consequences, but when you include Astana's history, I do not think they should have their license.
Astana is almost synonymous with unclean trot, and you begin to see the results of it now. I do not think the team belong in cycling when there are so many doping cases, and I am of the view that there should be made some restrictions, saying that the team at X number of doping cases must be added some sanctions from the UCI.
I do not think it is an argument that Nibali and Fuglsang in the case Astana get no license is an argument to, why they should keep it. I do not vote on a classic liberal person, because otherwise he is not able to become prime minister. I vote for him because I ideologically agree with him. I think you can compare it.
About Astana still end up getting a license, I think much depends on what comes out of their meetings/interviews with UCI.
It would be typical UCI to give them a license, but I would say, they should not get one.
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| krisa |
Posted on 10-12-2014 16:53
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Well I think they should get one,unless they can prove Ferrari doped at least 50% of their team. I personally think they will be punished for 3 months like scarponi
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| krisa |
Posted on 10-12-2014 17:00
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You would punish guys like Lars Boom too, .. I don't think that's correct
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| Maddox |
Posted on 10-12-2014 17:10
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krisa wrote:
You would punish guys like Lars Boom too, .. I don't think that's correct
But isn't it his own fault? He knows what Astana stands for and how there are like. He took a risk, and maybe it's just bad luck for him. But he can find a new team, maybe, |
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| krisa |
Posted on 10-12-2014 17:19
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Maddox wrote:
krisa wrote:
You would punish guys like Lars Boom too, .. I don't think that's correct
But isn't it his own fault? He knows what Astana stands for and how there are like. He took a risk, and maybe it's just bad luck for him. But he can find a new team, maybe, Well when he signed his contract, nobady was caught yet
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| Selwink |
Posted on 10-12-2014 17:21
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But if you sign for a team with Vinokourov as manager and riders like Scarponi and LLS you know you take a risk at least.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 10-12-2014 17:21
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"Vinokourov"
This answers all questions and ends all discussions
Edited by Lachi on 10-12-2014 17:22
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-12-2014 17:52
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/a...of-shadows
A nice summary of all Astana's mis-deeds since their begining in 2006. Honeslty it makes for a very very simple answer: "BURN THEM AT THE STAKE"
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 10-12-2014 18:14
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They should ban Vino and not the riders...If they´re a Pro-COnti-Team, they would get Wildcards for the big races
what would be a giro without Aru, the Tour without Nibali, the Classics without Boom, and many more amazing riders like Fuglsang...
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 10-12-2014 18:16
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Lachi wrote:
"Vinokourov"
This answers all questions and ends all discussions
I like Vinokourov...
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| EwanWilson |
Posted on 10-12-2014 18:18
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2 hours late...
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| haasje33 |
Posted on 10-12-2014 18:20
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Banning the entire team punishes the newly signed riders too, indeed. Therefore, I'd say just ban the caught riders and ban Vino. With more frequent checkups of Astana riders, I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to get a WorldTour-license.
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| lakebeach |
Posted on 10-12-2014 18:33
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Don't give them any licence!
Of course, it would affect innocent people as well, but if the UCI really want to get rid of doping in the sport it would be idiotic not to do anything in this case. If I know UCI right though, they will probably give Astana the licence and pretend that nothing has happened.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 10-12-2014 18:37
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Paul23 wrote:
Lachi wrote:
"Vinokourov"
This answers all questions and ends all discussions
I like Vinokourov...
I like him as a rider but that does not make it right how he achieved his results. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 10-12-2014 18:42
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Lachi wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Lachi wrote:
"Vinokourov"
This answers all questions and ends all discussions
I like Vinokourov...
I like him as a rider but that does not make it right how he achieved his results.
The question is: Is any rider who doped and was not caught better?
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| krisa |
Posted on 10-12-2014 19:12
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Selwink wrote:
But if you sign for a team with Vinokourov as manager and riders like Scarponi and LLS you know you take a risk at least. This is kinda bull shit, then you can't sign at any team Remember Riis, Ekimov, Demol (Bruyneels boyfriend) Movistar with valverde,.... I don't have to say more I think
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| ziga007 |
Posted on 10-12-2014 19:14
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Nope
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 10-12-2014 19:39
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Paul23 wrote:
Lachi wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Lachi wrote:
"Vinokourov"
This answers all questions and ends all discussions
I like Vinokourov...
I like him as a rider but that does not make it right how he achieved his results.
The question is: Is any rider who doped and was not caught better?
The funny thing was, that for a while Vinokourov was known as an innocent rider who kept getting stuffed up by other things, most of his team were doping one tour, but not him, he was innocently doing well in a tainted tour, but then it turned out that he wasn't clean.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 10-12-2014 20:32
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Astana gets the PT licence.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 10-12-2014 20:32
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Can't riders like Nibali, Aru, Boom, etc. join another WT team if Astana does lose their license?
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