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EPIC - Transfer season
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-08-2014 13:20
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It's July 2013, the Tour de France is a few days old and the transfer season is upon us. The first part can begin now als last beyond the final season part. We're not going to do everything at once, and some things need some work before we get there. Here is the planning so far, let me know if I overlooked anything.
1) Custom rider signing
This is happening now! You can start negotiating with your current riders to make them stay, or you can contact others. The same rules still apply, WT teams can sign max 2 custom riders, CT teams max 6. Important is what happens when you change division. WT teams going down can sign 1 additional rider, and even 2 if they refuse half of their budget. CT teams going up need to drop to 3 custom riders, or only 2 if they refuse half of their budget. This is only for the first season, after that you follow the normal rules.
New rider creation will open again, while I will get rid of the inactive riders. I will decide who’s inactive or not, but for most cases it’s very obvious. If a rider suddenly returns just to resign to a team, I can refuse it or lower stats. These signings are final, unless there’s a valid excuse, like a rider finding his manager inactive by the time we get to the next season or vice versa.
2) Progress and decline
Final progress of the year. Aside from the progress points you can spend, all younger riders will also receive natural progress. Older riders will decline.
Progress points:
Decline:
A rider aged 34+ will lose 1 point in every stat of 75 or higher
A rider aged 36+ will lose 1 point in every stat of 70 and higher
A rider aged 38+ will lose 1 point in every stat
They are to be combined, so for example a 39 year old will drop from 76 to 73 and from 69 to 68, while a 37 year old will drop from 77 to 75 and from 72 to 71.
Natural progress:
A rider aged 18-21 will receive 2 stat upgrades that have not been updated before
A rider aged 22-26 will receive 1 stat upgrade that has not been updated before
Stats cannot be raised above 80 this way, nor are riders with a stat of 80 or higher eligible for this (excluding fighter and downhill).
3) Re-signing riders
There are 3 categories of riders: Normal riders - max stat up to 77 (excluding fighter and downhill as usual), Stars - max stat up to 79 and Superstars - highest stat 80 or higher. The price to re-sign those riders will be different.
Furthermore, Superstar clashes like Valverde and Quintana will need to be addressed. I will give you their opinions and you will have to send me a reply to explain their schedule so that they both can be happy. If I’m not convinced, one of the riders will leave the team. The proposed schedule must of course be followed. The clashes go for both real and custom riders.
An example can be that a heavily upgraded Evans wants to lead le Tour, while Van Garderen want to lead a GT as well. BMC could then reply that Van Garderen will do Giro/Vuelta and Evans would get Tour leadership, and both riders would be happy and stay.
All riders not re-signed in this round, will be available for drafting
4) Budget and draft
Depending on the final ranking, you will get a budget and a draft position. The budget is simple, the highest teams gets the highest budget. The draft will be reversed. The lowest team will start with the draft, after which the CT teams not going up to WT level get an additional draft round in the same order.
Who’s available for draft, I hear you say. Well, pretty much anyone not in the game right now. Examples: 1) Riders not in a WT/PCT team in 2013 (Arredondo, Bennett), 2) Riders returning after doping suspension (Frank Schleck), 3) Youth riders (Ewan, Yates brothers) 4) Fired riders (like Rick Flens for Belkin) 5) As mentioned above, all riders that did not get a contract extention.
Two exceptions for drafting though: Drapac will be a PCT team next year, so their riders are excluded from the draft. Secondly, riders that would fall in the star or superstar category are excluded as well, you need to buy them.
I need to add here, as riders with their suspension over are allowed back in, riders convicted in 2014 will be removed. I think the list currently has Ballan and Tiernan-Locke on it, with a maybe on Henao, Impey, Kreuziger and Ulissi. Let me know if I’m forgetting anyone. Teams will receive a small compensation for their losses.
So the draft is rather powerful, it will give the CT teams a chance to get a big name in the team for balancing.
5) Trading begins
After the progress and decline is done, there will be a transfer period. Each team will be limited to 8 transactions, and a rider can only change teams once. Drafting and then trading is allowed though. There will be no loans or clauses. A transaction can be as big as you want, so trading 3 riders for 1 riders + cash will count as 1 transaction.
Nationality comes into play, as it will give you extra points for the next progress round. For example, if Lotto-Belisol trades André Greipel for Niko Eeckhout, that would give them extra progress points.
If your team is still not full, you're allowed to bid free agents for the same price that you would have needed to resign them as the minimum. People can outbid you though.
Edited by Ollfardh on 10-09-2014 09:18
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-08-2014 13:21
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Custom riders for 2014
Spoiler | Andrews | Robert | 21 | UK | | | Alinejad | Naveed | 23 | IRN | Champion System | | Allan | Brant | 20 | USA | | | Allan | Matthew | 20 | USA | | | Arblaster | Aaron | 19 | UK | | | Birtles | Jordan | 22 | UK | RadioShack | | Brookes | Fabian | 22 | AUS | | | Brouwer | Willem | 23 | NED | Garmin | | Burton | Josh | 19 | UK | Cannondale | | Cervero | Delfi | 23 | CR | | | Chelyakov | Ylvo | 18 | KAZ | | | Cristobal Riquelme | Jorge | 23 | CHL | Belkin | | De la Montagne | Pierre | 21 | FRA | | | De las Campos | Cristiano | 23 | ESP | Euskaltel | | De Vries | Niels | 18 | NED | | | De Vries | Pieter | 18 | NED | | | Di Silvestro | Drago | 20 | ITA | CCC Polsat | | Dimitriou | Ioannis | 21 | GRE | NetApp-Endura | | Favre | Mathieu | 20 | FRA | | | Feunard | Aquali | 18 | FRA | FDJ | | Feunard | Pyroli | 18 | FRA | CCC Polsat | | Feunard | Voltali | 18 | FRA | Champion System | | Fischer | Alex | 18 | DEN | | | Furan | Pietor | 21 | UKR | | | Ghita | Oreste | 23 | ROM | | | Guido | Mario | 18 | ITA | Colombia | | Hagg | Heimdal | 18 | SWE | NetApp-Endura | | Hanzen | Adrien | 23 | UK | BMC | | Harrini | Fabrizio | 18 | MOL | Colombia | | Hinault | Thomas | 21 | FRA | Europcar | | Hintermuller | Josef | 21 | GER | | | Jones | Travis | 19 | CAN | | | Khamse Khamphan | Lue | 23 | LAO | Europcar | | Kennedy | Dave | 18 | USA | | | Kim | Po-ding | 23 | NKO | Champion System | | Krizan | Jakub | 23 | CZE | | | Kurri | Mika | 18 | FIN | | | Lewis | Jordan | 21 | USA | | | Lixandru | Petre | 20 | ROM | | | Llanet | Albert | 18 | AND | CCC Polsat | | McDermott | Erik | 23 | DEN | | | McNutt | Jaxton | 21 | USA | | | Miles | Nattrapon | 18 | UK | CCC Polsat | | Milosevic | Spiro | 23 | CRO | Katusha | | Muriel | Christian | 23 | COL | Colombia | | Nokkvason | Johann | 20 | ICE | CCC Polsat | | O'Callaghan | Tom | 18 | IRE | Bardiani-Valvolve | | Oget | Maxime | 23 | USA | | | Pal | Peter | 21 | FRA | | | Peeters | Thomas | 21 | BEL | | | Pennarossa | Silvio | 23 | SM | Cannondale | | Pista | Dombos | 18 | HUN | | | Ronaldo | Francesco | 21 | POR | | | Ruiz Gonzalez | Zoltan | 18 | CR | | | Sagdijev | Borat | 18 | KAZ | | | Schmidt | Johnny | 18 | USA | | | Schroder | Christian | 23 | GER | Europcar | | Schwabe | Thomas | 21 | GER | NetApp-Endura | | Shaqif | Marouane | 21 | TUN | MTN Qhubeka | | Sinaga | Firmansyah | 18 | INA | Champion System | | Sithembile | Thabo Jango | 23 | KEN | | | Stromberg | Jonas | 20 | DEN | | | Stromberg | Nicklas | 23 | SWE | | | Totti | Cristiano | 21 | ITA | | | Van Drenthe | Nicky | 21 | NED | | | Verboven | Rudy | 21 | BEL | Euskaltel | | Von Triesenberg | Mathias | 21 | LIE | NetApp-Endura | | Walker | Dermot | 18 | UK | NetApp-Endura | | Al-Mohney | Ahmed | 21 | QAT | | | Birt | Mitchell | 23 | AUS | Orica-GreenEdge | | Bousche | Erik | 18 | FRA | FDJ | | Bryan | Luke | 21 | USA | | | Calzone | Carlo | 23 | ITA | Movistar | | De Vries | Christian | 23 | NED | | | Denisov | Abraham | 21 | RUS | | | Juarez | Jose Alberto | 18 | MEX | | | Kakhi | Rajesh | 23 | IND | | | Loewenherz | Richard | 21 | AUT | Katusha | | Nieve | Gorka | 18 | ESP | Colombia | | Pedrovski | Wladi | 18 | RUS | | | Shalunov | Evegeny | 23 | RUS | | | Tan | Kim | 21 | JAP | | | Abundi | Abasi | 21 | NGA | MTN Qhubeka | | Johnson | Diego | 23 | PER | Orica-GreenEdge | | Johnson | Jamel | 18 | PER | Saxo-Tinkoff | | Owniak | Damian | 22 | POL | BMC | | Berg | Soren | 18 | DEN | Colombia | | Bernard | Gregory | 23 | LUX | Colombia | | Kaha | Mangere | 21 | NZ | Belkin | | Kusnezov | Ilja | 23 | RUS | Movistar | | Marcus | Krista | 18 | AUS | | | Mashaba | Husani | 18 | SA | MTN Qhubeka | | Schneider | Andre | 21 | GER | CCC Polsat |
Edited by Ollfardh on 08-09-2014 08:20
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| Shonak |
Posted on 11-08-2014 13:51
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Me like very much. 
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 11-08-2014 14:44
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what is refusing their transfer budget?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-08-2014 14:46
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
what is refusing their transfer budget?
It's the budget you receive in number 4). It means you have no cash to start with.
Edit: Looking at this, money doesn't have enough purpose yet. I'll need to make some adjustments.
Edited by Ollfardh on 11-08-2014 14:49
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 11-08-2014 14:57
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Nice, sounds very good apart from this bit of course:
I need to add here, as riders with their suspension over are allowed back in, riders convicted in 2014 will be removed. I think the list currently has Ballan and Tiernan-Locke on it, with a maybe on Henao, Impey, Kreuziger and Ulissi. Let me know if I’m forgetting anyone. Teams will not be compensated for their losses here.
I know you said it's a maybe and nothing's confirmed yet, but if it does go ahead irl, losing the best rider on my team simply because of something that is basically pretty random and completely out of my control and having nothing to do with the game at all would be a massive blow for the team and so to receive absolutely no compensation for it whatsoever sounds a bit harsh if you ask me... 
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 11-08-2014 15:00
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I might be (a tiny bit) biased, but I really like the looks of it.
The "superstar" issue especially to prevent the top teams just bying everyone good.
Draft looks interesting as well though it could prove tricky for a region-focused team like my own. Actually really happy about the possibility to sign CT-riders as I have my eye on one or two thanks to EHST 
I assume there will be some sort of wage budget as well. How will that work together with extensions/draft?
Nationality comes into play, as it will give you extra points for the next progress round. For example, if Lotto-Belisol trades André Greipel for Niko Eeckhout, that would give them extra progress points.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-08-2014 15:18
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Stromeon - I made it pretty clear from the start, I don't like dopers. Chosing Saxo-Tinkoff may not have been the smartest move
But yes, I agree it's pretty painful, I'll look into it again.
Atlantius - Wage budget is not planned at the moment, instead there's the price you pay for keeping superstars. The reason for this is that it will be a lot of work to do it for every rider. I am thinking to make it 78 and up instead of 80 and up though, so it becomes more interesting.
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| JoeArmstrong13 |
Posted on 11-08-2014 15:23
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So that does that mean we won't be drafting until the end of the season?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-08-2014 15:28
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JoeArmstrong13 wrote:
So that does that mean we won't be drafting until the end of the season?
Well yes, as the draft position is based on the ranking.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 11-08-2014 15:33
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if Lotto-Belisol trades André Greipel for Niko Eeckhout
That's not going to happen
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 11-08-2014 15:54
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On the subject of nationality, do we count as American or Swiss?
Also, the suspension thing is unfair. Don't get me wrong, I hate dopers (and Ballan) as much as anyone and I wasn't actually planning to keep him anyway but to get nothing for losing him would be unfair. This is an alternate reality, so Ballan isn't doped. Look at his results; if he is doped, he needs a new supplier, urgently.
I also disagree with the best teams getting more money because you'll just create a chasm between teams like Sky, Movistar, OPQS and the rest. If Sky are adding more talent, then most of us will get pissed off, especially considering their manager's "suppressed activity". Though I guess resigning all of their top guys will cost a bit.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-08-2014 15:56
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If you relegate down from WT to CT, could you cut riders to make money and hence try and keep your "superstars"?
And i don't like relegating/promoting teams having their own limits on custom riders. If you are good enough to promote you don't need the extra help over other WT teams imo
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| JoeArmstrong13 |
Posted on 11-08-2014 16:04
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Ollfardh wrote:
Well yes, as the draft position is based on the ranking.
Well it seems I'll be getting the first pick, as my team will be nowhere on the rankings. Although I won't have any money to transfer riders
 
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-08-2014 16:05
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TheManxMissile wrote:
If you relegate down from WT to CT, could you cut riders to make money and hence try and keep your "superstars"?
And i don't like relegating/promoting teams having their own limits on custom riders. If you are good enough to promote you don't need the extra help over other WT teams imo
- The first question is worth considering, since money needs a bigger purpose. I'll need to get back to you on that. But it wouldn't be too unrealistic that a CT team can no longer pay their stars.
- Well, looking at things now, only Europcar will promote, and they won't be able to do much without their custom riders (Kim, Peeters and Khamphan are their top 3 pointscorers). See it as a 1 year transit period. CT teams won't be too weak in the WT and WT teams will no immediatly dominate the CT.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 11-08-2014 16:22
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Actually I think it would be fair to compensate for doped riders (I like excluding them though). If we play under the assumption that all the new managers are good guys that has nothing to do with the potential doping of riders they would often be able to get a wage refund/will have some extra funds after sacking their top rider.
Perhaps some extent of extra transfer budget depending on the amount of points scored by the doped rider?
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 11-08-2014 16:38
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Is it also possible to "delete" one of your own custom riders?
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| Shonak |
Posted on 11-08-2014 17:20
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brewers90 wrote:
On the subject of nationality, do we count as American or Swiss?
And NetApp Endura is German & British?
Also, can we basically change sponsor and stuff?
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-08-2014 17:31
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mvhoogdalem wrote:
Is it also possible to "delete" one of your own custom riders?
I have 3 riders, but not enough time to keep all of them up-to-date.
Murder has already been used a solution
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Posted on 11-08-2014 17:34
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TheManxMissile wrote:
mvhoogdalem wrote:
Is it also possible to "delete" one of your own custom riders?
I have 3 riders, but not enough time to keep all of them up-to-date.
Murder has already been used a solution
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