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Winning a big race in first try?
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| N-Iverson |
Posted on 20-05-2013 08:25
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Hi,
Does one of you know, whether anyone has ever won the Tour de France the first time they participated?
The same question goes for the classics and other grand tours.
I'm talking modern day cycling within the last 10-15 years.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-05-2013 09:02
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Cunego won Lombardy in 2004 in his first ride there.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 20-05-2013 09:02
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Alberto Contador won both the Giro and the Vuelta in 2008 without ever having participated before. He had won the Tour the year before, of course  There might be other examples, it's just the one that came of the top of my head.
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| N-Iverson |
Posted on 20-05-2013 09:08
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Thanks guys.
That's exactly the kind of examples I was looking for.
Keep 'em coming if there are more :-) |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2013 09:29
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Tour de France: Laurent Fignon, Eddy Merckx
Bernard Hinault: First Tour, first Giro, first Vuelta
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-05-2013 12:17
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But he said last 15 years or so. 
Anquetil also won the Tour on his first attempt, btw.
I'd say that shows how much of a swindle Armstrong was compared to those three with 5 G.C. success, and to a lesser extent Indurain. 
Gimondi won the TDF 1965 on his first year pro as well. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 20-05-2013 12:33
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It is not winning a GT, but what fanboy i would be to not throw Sagan in the mix. 
He won the green jersey in his first Tour, i wonder who was last before it in any GT?
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-05-2013 12:36
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2009 was Cavendish' first Milan - San Remo
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-05-2013 13:17
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Spilak23 wrote:
2009 was Cavendish' first Milan - San Remo
Cav also won his rainbow on his first WC, if I'm not mistaken. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-05-2013 13:20
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
2009 was Cavendish' first Milan - San Remo
Cav also won his rainbow on his first WC, if I'm not mistaken.
He started in Stuttgart aswell
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 20-05-2013 13:27
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Boasson Hagen won in 2009 Gent-Wevelgem at his first participation.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-05-2013 14:18
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Spilak23 wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
2009 was Cavendish' first Milan - San Remo
Cav also won his rainbow on his first WC, if I'm not mistaken.
He started in Stuttgart aswell
I blame the Dutch wikipedia for not informing me well  |
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 20-05-2013 14:19
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
2009 was Cavendish' first Milan - San Remo
Cav also won his rainbow on his first WC, if I'm not mistaken.
He started in Stuttgart aswell
I blame the Dutch wikipedia for not informing me well
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 21-05-2013 12:14
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I won "I'm with stupid" in my first appearance. Just sayin'... |
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| N-Iverson |
Posted on 21-05-2013 12:20
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The classics is especially interestink, I think, since they only make few adjustments of the routes from year to year. My thesis is (was) that it is very rare that anyone wins a certain race in their first participation since it takes a lot of experience and perception of the certain situations that occurs along the road.
Winning a GT seems, in that matter, to be a little less bound to experience of the roads, since the course changes very much from year to year. You can't, of course, neglect the importance of having rode a Grand Tour but in terms of winning, it seems a lot harder to win eg. Paris-Roubaix in the first try compared to a Grand Tour. (harder is a relative term i know, but try to play along anyway). |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 21-05-2013 12:35
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For sure. I mean, for example the Ronde, once you get to know those small roads in the Flemish Ardennes, you have a major advantage.
However, riding your first GT is also taking a step into the unknown for other reasons, recuperation, how do you handle it, positioning in the Tour... |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-05-2013 12:41
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I dont think so, i think GT is much harder to win on a first try, beacuse it takes time before rider is a complete stage racer (with exceptions of likes of Schleck and Contador).
In classics, i would differ classics and monuments. Classic can be imo won on the first try in many occasions, but a monument is harder, because veerybody is in full strenght and experienced riders have advantage. Look at Sagan last year, he did not won a monument because of inexperience of riding it, same this year,while he was strongest in some of them.
So GTs and monuments are almost impossible to win on first try imo ( any first GT, not just avoiding for example Giro and win it in 30 years old after winning other GT).
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| N-Iverson |
Posted on 21-05-2013 12:42
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Ian Butler wrote:
However, riding your first GT is also taking a step into the unknown for other reasons, recuperation, how do you handle it, positioning in the Tour...
For sure. And as the example of Contador, as somebody mentioned, showed us is that even though he won both the Giro and the Vuelta in his first try, he had already rode the Tour de France a several times thus knew what it took to complete and win a Grand Tour. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 21-05-2013 12:52
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I dont think so, i think GT is much harder to win on a first try, beacuse it takes time before rider is a complete stage racer (with exceptions of likes of Schleck and Contador).
In classics, i would differ classics and monuments. Classic can be imo won on the first try in many occasions, but a monument is harder, because veerybody is in full strenght and experienced riders have advantage. Look at Sagan last year, he did not won a monument because of inexperience of riding it, same this year,while he was strongest in some of them.
So GTs and monuments are almost impossible to win on first try imo ( any first GT, not just avoiding for example Giro and win it in 30 years old after winning other GT).
Yeah, very true. Someone like Sagan could've easily won E3, G-W, Amstel at first try, but RvV, L-B-L would've been much harder, if not impossible. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-05-2013 17:51
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The difference being that monuments are generally objectives for many riders, whereas other classics are just preparation race, where riders try to win using their current form, but they're rarely objectives, at least for the strongest riders. |
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