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Identifying Riders
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| Cycling Rookie |
Posted on 18-03-2013 16:27
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I`ve only just started watching pro road races since Wiggo T de F 2012 and something that keeps coming up,and having no one to ask,I`m going to ask you guys.
On the tv coverage (Eurosport) the commentators/broadcasting company are constantly getting the riders wrong or not knowing who`s in the breakaway etc etc.
Has it ever been mentioned/discussed about each individual rider having a identichip on his person, so as the race officials/radio and commentators would be able to tell where each rider is?
Just a thought which would help everyone out,teams/radio and commentators.
Just thought I`d ask you knowledgeable cycling fans. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 18-03-2013 16:29
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Man, can you switch? 100% sure that the commentator is still better than Paulo Martins. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-03-2013 17:18
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They do have that, all the bikes have transponders (it's how we get the prrovisional results immediately after the finish), but since races are out there in the woods and mountains and not on a closed circuit, it's not reliable at all. In fact, whenever they show GPS data on TV I strongly advise you to ignore, otherwise it's like believing the windows file transfer time estimates
EDIT: And if you're wondering why we once in a while get the wrong finishing order shown to us right after the race if they have transponders on the bikes....it's because a domestique gave a teammate his bike after a mechanical/crash
Edited by issoisso on 18-03-2013 17:21
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 18-03-2013 17:36
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issoisso wrote:
...but since races are out there in the woods and mountains and not on a closed circuit, it's not reliable at all. In fact, whenever they show GPS data on TV I strongly advise you to ignore, otherwise it's like believing the windows file transfer time estimates
I tend to disagree. I feel they are fairly accurate and reliable. Perhaps not quite as reliable as real or physical time-checks, but nonetheless still a very handy tool.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 18-03-2013 17:41
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José De Cauwer is pretty accurate on Sporza
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 18-03-2013 18:11
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Best you can do is watch their backnumbers (alltough that was pretty difficult with all these cold rainy stages the last weeks). For important races I print them and highlight the favorits.
And ofcourse some riders can be recognised by their looks, size, riding style, champ jersey etc. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-03-2013 19:43
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Back and bike numbers, yes.
Then when you're used to watching cycling, despite the helmets and glasses you can get used to recognizing the riders based on how tall or broad they are, what their face is like, etc. And you can also try to figure if commentators have got it right by asking yourself how likely it is that rider X is actually there (don't expect a climber in a bunch sprint or the opposite). |
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 18-03-2013 20:28
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I remember a few years ago, the commentators kept mixing up Mancebo and Karpets. Yes, a short, tan, black haired guy with his head characteristically tipped to side was apperantly impossible to tell a apart from a tall, long haired blonde russian. Mancebo was even wearing the goddamn spanish national champs jersy at the time. Easy mistake to make 
How hard can it be?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-03-2013 20:41
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Gulvplanke wrote:
I remember a few years ago, the commentators kept mixing up Mancebo and Karpets. Yes, a short, tan, black haired guy with his head characteristically tipped to side was apperantly impossible to tell a apart from a tall, long haired blonde russian. Mancebo was even wearing the goddamn spanish national champs jersy at the time. Easy mistake to make
Horner (bald guy) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren"
Van Huffel (dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren again"
Jufré (also dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "Vansummeren is really making the race today"
Vansummeren (1,97m blond guy with long hair) attacks
Paulo Martins: "I'm impressed by Vansummeren's energy today!"
1 year later, same race (Liége-Bastogne-Liége):
Paulo Martins: "That's Austrian champion Matteo Floyd"
later that day: "And that's austrian champion Peffaberga"
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-03-2013 22:02
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One of the innovation ideas that the UCI's recent survey asked about was implementing gps so that viewers can reliably see where every rider is at any given time...expect it in the next ten years...maybe. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 18-03-2013 22:27
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issoisso wrote:
Gulvplanke wrote:
I remember a few years ago, the commentators kept mixing up Mancebo and Karpets. Yes, a short, tan, black haired guy with his head characteristically tipped to side was apperantly impossible to tell a apart from a tall, long haired blonde russian. Mancebo was even wearing the goddamn spanish national champs jersy at the time. Easy mistake to make
Horner (bald guy) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren"
Van Huffel (dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren again"
Jufré (also dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "Vansummeren is really making the race today"
Vansummeren (1,97m blond guy with long hair) attacks
Paulo Martins: "I'm impressed by Vansummeren's energy today!"
"There goes Vansummeren on the attack, and he is followed by Vansummeren! They'll try to see if they can get up to Vansummeren who is still alone in front! Wow, Vansummeren is really making the race today!"
"And over in that field over there we can see Vansummeren grazing on a patch of grass"
"That's a horse, Paulo."
Edited by cactus-jack on 18-03-2013 22:29
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 18-03-2013 22:35
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This is just my (weird) thoughts, but I find that some of the charm about watching cycling is when I'm not knowing who's breaking away at once.
Watching helicopter photos, trying to figure out who the attacking riders, and also the riders falling off the pace are, is actually a little exciting part of watching and makes it a bit more interesting for me.
But of course, it's pretty frustrating when the commentator NEVER finds out who the riders are, or the Norwegian commentators thinking EVERY BMC rider is Hushovd.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 18-03-2013 22:45
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issoisso wrote:
Horner (bald guy) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren"
Van Huffel (dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren again"
Jufré (also dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "Vansummeren is really making the race today"
Vansummeren (1,97m blond guy with long hair) attacks
Paulo Martins: "I'm impressed by Vansummeren's energy today!"
Summie has brown hair as well |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-03-2013 06:28
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Aquarius wrote:
Back and bike numbers, yes.
Then when you're used to watching cycling, despite the helmets and glasses you can get used to recognizing the riders based on how tall or broad they are, what their face is like, etc. And you can also try to figure if commentators have got it right by asking yourself how likely it is that rider X is actually there (don't expect a climber in a bunch sprint or the opposite).
This + you can guess several riders because of their riding styles, for example Evans, Basso or Contador cannot be missed.
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| Cycling Rookie |
Posted on 19-03-2013 10:11
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Thanks guys,I`m slowly picking up riders team colours and riding styles. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-03-2013 10:46
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cactus-jack wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Gulvplanke wrote:
I remember a few years ago, the commentators kept mixing up Mancebo and Karpets. Yes, a short, tan, black haired guy with his head characteristically tipped to side was apperantly impossible to tell a apart from a tall, long haired blonde russian. Mancebo was even wearing the goddamn spanish national champs jersy at the time. Easy mistake to make
Horner (bald guy) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren"
Van Huffel (dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren again"
Jufré (also dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "Vansummeren is really making the race today"
Vansummeren (1,97m blond guy with long hair) attacks
Paulo Martins: "I'm impressed by Vansummeren's energy today!"
"There goes Vansummeren on the attack, and he is followed by Vansummeren! They'll try to see if they can get up to Vansummeren who is still alone in front! Wow, Vansummeren is really making the race today!"
"And over in that field over there we can see Vansummeren grazing on a patch of grass"
"That's a horse, Paulo."
Brilliant 
I agree what's been said before here, though: Sporza usually get it right. |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 19-03-2013 10:58
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cactus-jack wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Gulvplanke wrote:
I remember a few years ago, the commentators kept mixing up Mancebo and Karpets. Yes, a short, tan, black haired guy with his head characteristically tipped to side was apperantly impossible to tell a apart from a tall, long haired blonde russian. Mancebo was even wearing the goddamn spanish national champs jersy at the time. Easy mistake to make
Horner (bald guy) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren"
Van Huffel (dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "There goes Vansummeren again"
Jufré (also dark haired) attacks
Paulo Martins: "Vansummeren is really making the race today"
Vansummeren (1,97m blond guy with long hair) attacks
Paulo Martins: "I'm impressed by Vansummeren's energy today!"
"There goes Vansummeren on the attack, and he is followed by Vansummeren! They'll try to see if they can get up to Vansummeren who is still alone in front! Wow, Vansummeren is really making the race today!"
"And over in that field over there we can see Vansummeren grazing on a patch of grass"
"That's a horse, Paulo."
That's almost how it really is.  |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 19-03-2013 11:00
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The best thing that has ever happened to commentating in the last few years was when David Duffield retired from Eurosport  |
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| ggDonovan |
Posted on 19-03-2013 11:26
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I don't know if there's anybody around from Spain but the couple from TVE, Carlos de Andres and Pedro Delgado is pretty good. Sometimes Delgado is a little too humoristic but they work well together and don't make huge mistakes.
Now the catalan TV is broadcasting some cicling events (TA, MSR and la Volta) and the couple is just horrific the journalist is good reporting news but he is making lots of mistakes all the time (if it was for him Gilbert was all the final part at front instead of Chavanel). Also a great quote from the MSR was: It is incredible the ability of the cyclists to change they "oilskin" when riding. WTF? Is this Sesame Street?
Also, the analysis of Angel Edo (manager of Purito) are just... plain, redundant and without any kind of transcendence.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-03-2013 11:31
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Its not that easy...
We all saw Stannard attacking in MSR right? In the move with Vorganov and Chavanel, yes? Wearing the UK NC jersey yes? YES?
Yet the information on the TV screen kept saying Vansummeren... (that guy really is everyhwere)
And we all remember the Olympics, where all timing and GPS seemed to just break...
Not always the commentators fault and not always easy to fix
I do reckon, also, that we just highlight all the times they get it wrong. If we looked at an overall picture i'd probably say 95% of the time commentators and race info is correct. (of course this is exluding Paulo)
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