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| scoup |
Posted on 09-09-2012 17:51
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Hi guys !
I need an advice:
GT's are approaching and need to make choices of who should I send.
I want your oppinion about this team:
Giro-> Kloden (Leader)/Machado or Fulgsand (helper).
TDF-> Andy Schleck (Leader)/ Monfort (Helper)/ Bennati (Sprinter)
Vuelta-> Frank Schleck (Leader)/ Horner (Helper)
Now comes the doubts:
-Bennati has already 40 days of competition so I opted for TDF to go.
-Frank is better to go to the Vuelta because where there is less TT's, and a lot of mountain stages.
- What GT should I take Cancellara ?
Can you help me ?
I'm on Radioshack.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-09-2012 18:00
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Bennati in TDF is good, he'll do well there.
I also like the choice of Frank in the Vuelta, he has a big chance there.
I'd send Cancellara to the Tour, where he can ride excellent TT and prologue (and wear yellow) |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 09-09-2012 18:02
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Normally, the Tour, since there are more TT possibilities there. Or you can take an unrealistic approach and make him go to several world tour stage races instead, those that have a TT and no mountain stages, just hilly ones. That way he could target the cobblestone classics, quite a few world tour races and the world TT and route championships. In PCM, unlike in real cycling, the help Cancellara provides to the team in a GT beside marginal gains in TTT isn't that great because of his lack of mountain stat and it seems you don't need a sprint train, so he can get better results targeting other races.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 09-09-2012 18:14
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About Cancellara: You could either send him to the Tour. There, he might get two or three stage wins, which is quite prestigious indeed. Another option would be to send him to the Vuelta. He could a) help to gain time in the TTT, but as Ildabaoth already pointed out, the gain wouldn't be more than maybe 20 or 30 seconds (I guess). But after La Vuelta, he will be in a decent shape for the Worlds, and then he'll have a good chance to win the World CHampionships (TT). Also very prestigious. Choice is yours.
About Frank: Since he's not a GC rider, the amount of TT kms shouldn't matter. Just send him where another mountain helper is needed.
About Bennati: It depends, mostly on the difficulty you're playing on. On hard or extreme, it'll be really, really difficult to achieve anything noteworthy in the sprints during the Tour without a top shape against the elite of sprinting. During La Vuelta, the field should be much weaker and the other riders usually have worse shape as well. That's what I would do, probably. If you're playing on easy or normal or don't mind to only score Top 10s or maybe just are an outstandingly good player, then the Tour should be just as good.
Hope I could help a little.
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| scoup |
Posted on 09-09-2012 19:21
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I understand what you mean and it makes sense.
I think I'll make a general change.
-To the Giro I send Frank and Horner
- To TDF I maintain Andy as leader and Monfort as helper.
- The vuelta I will send Kloden (good at TT's), Bennati and Cancellara. Of course Kloden is not so good as Andy, but he will compensate at Time trials I hope.
P.S. What is making me confused is that national championships of Cancellara are hills is not? And he is not very good in this aspect.
Edited by scoup on 10-09-2012 11:44
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 09-09-2012 20:55
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Suiss national championships are somewhat hilly, yes, and while Cancellara doesn't excel in hills, he has huge stamina so he can endurance the lenght of the race without any problem. Besides, due to his flat stat he will spend less energy during the flat parts of the stages. The main problem is I guess you don't have too many swiss riders, so you will have to rely on them to be on form in their teams for the national championships date. In any case, don't focus too much on them. The date makes it real hard to be on form for them and then be on form for the Tour, so you need either to choose not to be on form or to create a very exhausting fitness program.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-09-2012 11:47
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I'm guessing you're giving Monfort a 10 day camp to the mountains ?
If not i would send Frank to France to help Andy in the moutains.
I would focus on sending as strong as possible teams. All with 1 goal.
I would do it like this:
GIRO/VUELTA- 4 riders top fit for Giro, 5 riders topfit for vuelta (or vise versa)
if Focus on sprint > Bennati, whole team to help Bennati (+maybe 2 stage riders)
if Focus on Rankings > A.Schleck, whole team to help A.Schleck, that includes Frank, monfort, Kloden and Horner. Andy will need them all.
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If Bennati in Giro/vuelta > then A.Schleck in Tour and vise versa.
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It's better to do well in 1 tour then to do average in 3 of them.
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If next year you can contract a rider who is able to win Vuelta or giro, you might have a good chance to win all 3 tours with that team. You do need to keep Frank to assist Andy or find another good mountain helper better then Monfort or Kloden.
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| scoup |
Posted on 10-09-2012 11:50
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I won't focus too much then.
WTF is this ?
https://i.imgur.co...
Second stage of Giro and with a sprint train, 8 of 9 members of my squad finish on TOP 10 and steal time.Do not know if it's because of the difficulty... |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-09-2012 11:53
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scoup wrote:
I won't focus too much then.
WTF is this ?
https://i.imgur.co...
Second stage of Giro and with a sprint train, 8 of 9 members of my squad finish on TOP 10 and steal time.Do not know if it's because of the difficulty...
If it is easy: yes
If it is normal: quite a bit
If it is hard: rather a game glitch
If it is extreme: GIMME UR SKILLZ!!! 
Edited by cio93 on 10-09-2012 11:54
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 10-09-2012 11:54
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Actually, that stage is giving problems. Check Valverde story to confirm that. Lampre made 1-2-3 with climbers beating sprinters. |
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| scoup |
Posted on 10-09-2012 12:28
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Miguel98 It just can be a bug like you said .
cio93 Is not easy for sure, maybe Normal I think |
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 10-09-2012 13:26
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KayZeroX wrote:
I won't focus too much then.
It's better to do well in 1 tour then to do average in 3 of them
(+riding too much races destroys rider-potential i believe,so maybe also the lesser races you ride the more you can benefit from a rider in later stages of his career, can somebody confirm this?)
That is a myth, as far as I know.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-09-2012 15:04
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It's a myth. Riding too much races doesn't destroy potential. Race days do not matter for that. |
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 10-09-2012 15:13
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This is my suggestion
Cancellara,Benatti - Classics + TDF
Andy - Ardennes + TDF (Leader)
Frank - TDF (helper) + Vuelta - Leader
Horner - Ardennes(HELPER) + ATOC
Kloden - TDF (helper)
Monfor,Fuglsang - GIRO & Vuelta |
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| scoup |
Posted on 10-09-2012 17:08
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KayZeroX wrote:
I won't focus too much then.
It's better to do well in 1 tour then to do average in 3 of them
(+riding too much races destroys rider-potential i believe,so maybe also the lesser races you ride the more you can benefit from a rider in later stages of his career, can somebody confirm this?)
I only compete in 2.Hc or CWT races now.
Well, it will be a good challenge to win this Giro with Kloden.
Image of peloton:
General Classification:
To be honest, Kiryenka doesn't concern me, for me the best contenders are: Nibali, Basso and Thomas de Gendt.
Froome and Scarponi lost a lot of time with the TTT (I won) and with that bugged stage. They are out of the fight
Let's see !
P.S-> Thanks for all opinions, unfortunately already sent a team. I don't understand how you say to send Frank to the Vuelta and Tour with Tour of Suisse, Daulphinée,etc to win in the middle. There are too many races...
Edited by scoup on 10-09-2012 17:25
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-09-2012 19:19
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there's always next year..every year a new different tactic LOL
Good luck with Kloden, if you are playing on normal or above, i would give the guy a mountain trainingcamp. and hope he makes top 5 in that Giro d'Italia
You are playing pcm11 ? |
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| scoup |
Posted on 10-09-2012 21:04
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KayZeroX wrote:
there's always next year..every year a new different tactic LOL
Good luck with Kloden, if you are playing on normal or above, i would give the guy a mountain trainingcamp. and hope he makes top 5 in that Giro d'Italia
You are playing pcm11 ?
No, It's PCM 12. :/
But that races that I mentioned are sponsors goals. This is my first season, I'm learning ...
Getting top3 with Kloden it's what I want
Edited by scoup on 10-09-2012 21:05
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 10-09-2012 21:25
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Otr you can not cheat and use a training camp. Simply support him. I play on hard. Top 5 is possible with support for him. Podium is gonna be really tough.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| scoup |
Posted on 11-09-2012 03:24
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"Otr you can not cheat and use a training camp" Didn't understand baseballlover312
Never a 7th place felt so good.
The attacks began on the first Km with Voigt and 4 more riders.
They built a gap over 15 Minutes.
Skipping to the last Km, Kloden on the last climb of the day starts pushing foward.
Then came the hard part, Cunego launches a ferocious attack at the start of the climb. Klöden counters quickly, but then Scarponi joins the party along with Kiserlovski launching attacks until the end of the climb.
In front of the race, 3 of the 5 fugitives lose the train, Voigt begins to chase Ascani.
Back to Klöden, starting downhill used all their strength with a final attack exploiting the fact that Cunego and Scarponi are exhausted.
I could not buy time with the attack, still managed to win in the sprint and the Pink jersey prevails in Kloden by 17 seconds to Kirilenka
Voigt failed to win the sprint to Ascani still gets a brilliant 2nd place with a lead of more than 9 minutes to his teammate.
More days of mountain ahead and the fight continues...
Edited by scoup on 11-09-2012 03:36
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 11-09-2012 03:34
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Damn i was probably very *peep* when i wrote that....offcourse you're playing pcm12 (i should have looked closer at the screens)
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I don't play on hard, cause it takes too much time, and the patch i'm using + the database (1.2) are not the final version yet. I'll do hard when i do a "long" carreer.
Even on normal there is a 50/50% chance that i will not make top 5 if i had Kloden as lead rider (offcourse with best preperation etc.)
If i would go for your choice (kloden/giro) then i would be happy with anything better then 10th place(maybe stage win). And "focus" (yesss there's that word again) on de tour de France with brothers Schleck. (indeed possible to make fitness programm for Frank with peak at vuelta) |
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