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End Race Newbie Hints
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| NexSix |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:18
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Ok people, either a + or - because of the Olympics. Was watching the Street Race and never realised how tactical it got ! I became hooked and decided to try my hand at PCM 12.
Now I have managed to do a lot of reading and research ( this being the best site I have found )
I do however need quite a bit of help.
Now I am a firm believer in building from the Bottom so have set up my custom Team Atomic Flying Badger in the Continental league. All my riders were scouted Young Riders with my best two having an over all Avg of 70 and 69.
I can start off well and hold the pace of a Race. I have been able to attack and reign in the leaders. My main flaw seems to be finishing a race.
I have tried setting up a train of riders and it all seems to go horribly wrong at the end.
So questions.
1 ) Do i necesarilly even need to attack in a race ?
2) Should I be micromanaging all 8 guys or should I just pick on my 2 race enders. Atm I have a race leader / water guy, pace setter and 2 sprinters + a puncher to get us up hills or a high Stamina good Acceleration guy to start a train.
3) Final sprint, on a flat should i be firing off at 1km or higher or less ? Despite having a great Sprint strat ( maybe its the slow mo mode ?) My guy seems to just sprint really slowly and get mullered at the line.
Now my best spot has been 5th ( FLUKE !! )My average is about 25th.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:29
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1) No, you don't need to attack. The necessity to attack or not comes with the context of the race.
2) Well micromanaging all the team is obviously better. If you're starting with the game it might feel a bit complicated, but nothing that a bit of practice can't solve.
3) Around the 1km mark is about right imo. Then again sprinting isn't exactly my specialty. 
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:38
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Nex,
you'll find some useful info here, perhaps: https://pcmdaily.c...tricks.php
1. You don't NEED to attack in any stage races or individual races if you don't want to or if it doesn't meet your specific target. If you're on a flat stage that's sprint orientated and you have a rider running for the GC (general classification or overall win) then you may well want to sit in the pack, protect the GC rider throughout and simply ensure no other GC riders get away. Then you look at the end of stage sprint if you have someone going for it.
You might also want to attack with a rider or two to try to get into a breakaway from the main bunch in an effort to win a stage. These are more likely to success in hilly (not mountainous) stages but you never know. You may also attack to compete for individual sprints or mountain sprints if you have a rider aiming for those competitions. The stage map or profile shows the locations of intermediate sprints (etc) and these become important, potentially, if you're competing in the green jersey (points) competition in the TdF, for example.
Regarding setting up the final sprint train to launch your best sprinter, this takes a lot of practice and trial and error to get used to. I'm no expert here but I tend to start managing this with 40-20km left, depending on the nature of the stage, course profile and breakaways, etc. You would want to either position your sprinter and lead-out man (if you have one) at the rear of your own team's relay on the front of the pack. If your team doesn't have the power to maintain a relay to keep the pace very high then you can sometimes latch on to the team that does. An aggressive lead-out minimizes the chances of small attacks which wreck the sprint. Obviously, it means more energy spent keeping your sprinter at the front, so it's a balancing act.
When it comes to the sprint itself, it depends on the circumstances, in terms of when to launch. You will want to have your sprinter follow his individual lead-out man (who would be on max effort/sprinting/attacking leading in to the last km) and then possibly leaping to follow any of the other leading sprinters before actually hitting the sprint button inside the last km. Having a high SPR stat isn't enough to win the sprints alone, you need timing and a good set-up. I would recommend making frequent use of the pause button as you get used to things. You need to keep an eye on a lot of factors - other riders, following the right rider, timing, etc. I find this is easier when you start setting up well ahead of the last 15km though.
Hopefully some of this is useful. I'm sure others will chime in with better advice. Good luck and enjoy the learning curve. It may eat up big holes in your day. 
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| Mr_Monk |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:39
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If you have any more questions there's a tips and tricks section: https://pcmdaily.com/tipstricks.php |
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:40
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Copycat.
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| Mr_Monk |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:41
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How was I supposed to know that you posted something 10 seconds before me |
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:44
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You're Mr. Monk... only a few steps down the food chain from Darth Vader and ... and ... that telepathic guy from that movie that I can't recall the title of.
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| rogvi97 |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:50
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If it is flat from 15km to 0km left, you should propably start at 15km (if you use 99 dot like me). Remember to use the one, that has thebest sprint ability. Hope this will help! |
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| rogvi97 |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:53
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Btw this link: https://www.youtub...vgRzRKP5Yo is a good example...
Edited by rogvi97 on 06-08-2012 18:57
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 06-08-2012 18:57
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That is a good example - bit excessive though. Huge gap 
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| NexSix |
Posted on 06-08-2012 19:02
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Thanks all really good stuff !
99 dot, I take it thats the effort bar ?
Normally I have one of my guys rellaying the front but discovered that I can just cruise using the stick to one point, although its easier to get the rest of my team in place using 1 man on rellay.
When do you touch the effort bar ? When you want to break away from the pack eg at the end or for a hill / stage win ?
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| Lachi |
Posted on 06-08-2012 21:53
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dot = "individual effort"
% = effort bar
But I am pretty sure that will not win anything with these riders. Try to focus on other goals like mountain jersey and intermediate sprints. |
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| NexSix |
Posted on 07-08-2012 00:55
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Yes boys
Just put all this together and nearly very bloody nearly took it. Made a crucial mistake of trying to get my front guy to follow what I thought was a break away at about the 4km part only to find out he was a member of the rival team who slacked as soon as I caught his back wheel ><
That said I got my lad Quy in 6th place considering we were a write off after that botched follow on the slacker rival Im really happy with that.
Finished a lot of games, but my sense of achivement right now is pretty damn insane.
Right now to go back , NOT latch onto that dummy rider and catch myself 2 top 10 spots
This said, I think that PCM 12 gets the award for worst Game Guide / Instruction Manuel known to man. I would have learnt more listening to Cav getting more and more angry with Jake Humphreys refrencing Gold Medal winners !
Edited by NexSix on 07-08-2012 01:01
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| DaBobScotts |
Posted on 07-08-2012 01:50
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NexSix wrote:
This said, I think that PCM 12 gets the award for worst Game Guide / Instruction Manuel known to man. I would have learnt more listening to Cav getting more and more angry with Jake Humphreys refrencing Gold Medal winners !
I think minecraft takes the cake for that one, although PCM never has had a good manual. I remember when they had an in-game tutorial, that quickly ran through the main points. Tactics and the finer points of the game were still up to you, though. Lots of game time, and surfing the forums would help. Even checking out some stories would help with some of that.
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 07-08-2012 02:05
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DaBobScotts wrote:
NexSix wrote:
This said, I think that PCM 12 gets the award for worst Game Guide / Instruction Manuel known to man. I would have learnt more listening to Cav getting more and more angry with Jake Humphreys refrencing Gold Medal winners !
I think minecraft takes the cake for that one, although PCM never has had a good manual. I remember when they had an in-game tutorial, that quickly ran through the main points. Tactics and the finer points of the game were still up to you, though. Lots of game time, and surfing the forums would help. Even checking out some stories would help with some of that.
+1, the only way I figured out how to play my first PCM game was through this forum (guides, tips, stories, etc.) and watching real cycling. I probably would have stopped playing PCM after a week and never played again if it wasn't for this forum. 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-08-2012 02:06
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Any more questions and this should be useful. It's for PCM 11 but the tactics stay the same.
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....d_id=19662
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 07-08-2012 02:16
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NexSix wrote:
I would have learnt more listening to Cav getting more and more angry with Jake Humphreys refrencing Gold Medal winners !
Don't spend too much time listening to Cav's whining - it's bad for the mental health.
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| NexSix |
Posted on 07-08-2012 02:41
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Hmmm.... Energy Gel ?
Now would it be a good idea for my penultimate sprinter to pop some of this for the last leg and maybe even my sprinter... ive read that it takes 3 k to pop so take some around the 4.5 for my penultimate then 4 for my main sprinter... or would this screw up my follow command ?
Now getting Quy constantly in the top 10
Will move on and declare myself officially happy when I hit a top 5.
Although as pointed out, LOL my team is shit so im not expecting world breaking......... YET
Am on the first of my career Races "Beeverbrook" So a nice flat to get used too. Think Im going to just keep waiting every stage until I have mastered the game ( LMFAO ) then start playing without Ctrl - Alt - Delete at the finish
Edited by NexSix on 07-08-2012 02:45
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 07-08-2012 07:48
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Top 10 is good with a crappy team
You'll find that playing withouy ctr alt del is much nicer |
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| stu-sgn |
Posted on 07-08-2012 13:59
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How much does race day condition play into end race strategy? If I have an 80 sprinter whose race day condition is -1 and a 79 sprinter whose race day condition is +4 will the 79 sprinter have a better chance of winning? |
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