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What happen with Andy Schleck?
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| pibinho |
Posted on 10-08-2011 13:49
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I create this thread cause for me this rider is a shame: I will explain me:
According to my opinion he has incredible conditions for this sport but he is a bad professional. When he was 22 he appeared in the Giro d'Italia 2007 finishing second in the overall race although this Giro was very hard and since he cannot reach a better classification in a GT.
He represent the Armstrong’s way of racing (only tour is important) and for this the others races, except LBL, are only a special training but there is a huge different with Lance (Lance won the tour and Dauphine or Suisse but he don't do it).
He say, since 2009 that he had worked to improve in TTs but I don't see any result and his position in time trial bike is horrible; sincerely I think that he doesn't train this specialty. Moreover, he said before Grenoble's TT that he has not seen the route although this TT it was the same that in Dauphine and Tour it was his greatest goal in the season, (A really good professional). But the worst of all was his aptitude in the team time trial in which he didn’t do anything.
The last year why he went to La vuelta? For partying? According to my viewpoint a rider without GT and that with only two stages in all year cannot lose the opportunity to inaugurate his notable results in GT. Moreover his really important wins are LBL'09 and 3 stages in Tour de France, WTF? but he can allow go to La Vuelta for Parting in Valencia.
His fear and obsession with Contador is madness. You cannot go to a race thinking in only one rival and losing opportunities to make difference to others, look Pyrenees in this Tour or Alp D’Huez.
Finally, I recognize that in Galibier’s stage he gave a great performance but for me this is not enough in a rider of the category of Andy, and his lack of professionalism is worrying.
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| gregor |
Posted on 10-08-2011 14:27
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I agree with you 100 %! |
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| valsolo |
Posted on 10-08-2011 14:37
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I dont know about the partying & Andys personal priorities. But I do agree that his (and Franks) tactics in the TDF were weird.. Like you said, they were obsessed with Contador & I think that if they'd widen their focus a bit they might have won the TDF.... |
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| abel2323 |
Posted on 10-08-2011 14:38
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great comment
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-08-2011 14:49
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If Andy had Fränks work ethic he would have won a few GT's, at least 5 big classics and a bunch of other stage-races.
Fränk is way less talented but has almost as good results... |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-08-2011 15:02
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They (the Schlecks) hired Bobby Julich as TT coach this season, but he said during the TDF that he had barely been able to get them on the TT bikes.
Money isn't everything, sometimes you also need some will.
Also, the both of them ride like idiots, I'm not sure it could be worst for them to ride on instinct rather than strictly obey to what they hear in the ear-speakers. For their sake (the one of their results), ear-speakers should really be banned. Not that I'd be especially delighted to see them do good, I don't really mind them.
That, plus they should accept to harm each other, just to try to win races. Now, when one attacks and the other looks bad, the attacking one will just sit on his saddle and wait for the whole group of favourites... |
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| ggDonovan |
Posted on 10-08-2011 15:14
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Aquarius wrote:
That, plus they should accept to harm each other, just to try to win races. Now, when one attacks and the other looks bad, the attacking one will just sit on his saddle and wait for the whole group of favourites...
For me that's the key.
They think that they can finnish first and second at the TDF. That's almost impossible.
If you try to ride like a pack you will always ride at the speed of the worst of the two.
That's just too much advantage for the others.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 10-08-2011 20:35
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Yep Lance won Dauphine once..but it almost cost him a tour win later at the same year.
He never made that mistake again..
Andy still need a Riis type of manager to became a tour champion. In this year with Andy's form and Contador condition..easy task for Riis
Edited by Guido Mukk on 10-08-2011 20:35
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-08-2011 20:55
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Yep Lance won Dauphine once..but it almost cost him a tour win later at the same year.
He never made that mistake again..
Andy still need a Riis type of manager to became a tour champion. In this year with Andy's form and Contador condition..easy task for Riis
Armstrong won 2 Dauphinés plus 1 Suisse, and he always was rather competitive there (heck, he even podiumed Suisse in 2010!). Andy just soft-pedals. And not just there, he soft-pedals for the whole season except in the Tour and the Ardennes. Because of that, the only race he's ever won (unless the CAS thinks otherwise) is LBL 2009.
Oh, and he has already ridden for Riis. He didn't make him a champion. Not a Tour champion, nor any kind of champion. He's just a very talented, but underachieving, rider. It's up to him to change that.
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| Mr_Monk |
Posted on 10-08-2011 21:12
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He represent the Armstrong’s way of racing (only tour is important) and for this the others races, except LBL, are only a special training but there is a huge different with Lance (Lance won the tour and Dauphine or Suisse but he don't do it).
So, you're saying you think Lance's way of racing had fault? I mean, he did win 7 tour de france's 
The last year why he went to La vuelta? For partying? According to my viewpoint a rider without GT and that with only two stages in all year cannot lose the opportunity to inaugurate his notable results in GT. Moreover his really important wins are LBL'09 and 3 stages in Tour de France, WTF? but he can allow go to La Vuelta for Parting in Valencia.
He went to the Vuelta to help Frank, who went to the vuelta because he crashed out of the tour. He didn't just go their to "party"
His fear and obsession with Contador is madness. You cannot go to a race thinking in only one rival and losing opportunities to make difference to others, look Pyrenees in this Tour or Alp D’Huez.
Even though I am a huge Schleck fan I have to agree with you on this one, if he had treated Cadel as he treated Alberto he might very well have one the Tour.
If someone wrote the same thing you did about Contador, it would probably be just as long and accusing. The same for any cyclist. There is no such thing as a perfect fault-less cyclist. There is no point in making a thread just to name a perticular cyclist's faults.
Edited by Mr_Monk on 10-08-2011 21:14
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| owks |
Posted on 10-08-2011 21:45
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Except on the Galibier stage i wonder if Andy Schleck was really able to drop everybody. Perhaps he didn't wait for Frank on the Pyrennee he was maybe just tired and really unable to attack.
Even though I am happy for Evans , this year tour is a failure for them. Contador had badluck + the toughest Giro , only 1 TT and a TTT to help them.
Next year if Contador is in supershame and able to ride then I doubt that any Schleck will be able to follow him.
Edited by owks on 10-08-2011 21:46
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-08-2011 21:55
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Mr_Monk wrote:
He represent the Armstrong’s way of racing (only tour is important) and for this the others races, except LBL, are only a special training but there is a huge different with Lance (Lance won the tour and Dauphine or Suisse but he don't do it).
So, you're saying you think Lance's way of racing had fault? I mean, he did win 7 tour de france's
This is the problem with that view. It's like there's only one race in a great sport full of many brilliant races. I don't want to be stereotypical and say this is an American view (though a lot from the US seem to hold it) but a lot argue that Lance is better than Merckx just because he won 7 Tours. It's just not the same.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-08-2011 22:03
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Mr_Monk wrote:
The last year why he went to La vuelta? For partying? According to my viewpoint a rider without GT and that with only two stages in all year cannot lose the opportunity to inaugurate his notable results in GT. Moreover his really important wins are LBL'09 and 3 stages in Tour de France, WTF? but he can allow go to La Vuelta for Parting in Valencia.
He went to the Vuelta to help Frank, who went to the vuelta because he crashed out of the tour. He didn't just go their to "party"
And when did he help him during that Vuelta ? Never, to my knowledge.
He was caught partying once, but apparently him and O'Grady went to disco about every night, until they were caught and sent back home. |
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| pibinho |
Posted on 11-08-2011 00:00
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ggDonovan wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
That, plus they should accept to harm each other, just to try to win races. Now, when one attacks and the other looks bad, the attacking one will just sit on his saddle and wait for the whole group of favourites...
For me that's the key.
They think that they can finnish first and second at the TDF. That's almost impossible.
If you try to ride like a pack you will always ride at the speed of the worst of the two.
That's just too much advantage for the others.
I think the same. In the edition of 2010 I thought that if Frank didn't fall in the pave stages we would have won but now i think it is better for then ride separetely. Also think that Andy sometimes is thinking a lot in the opcions of his brother.
It is great win 7 tour but for me, is better win giro and tour in the same year that win 2 tours despites the tour was win in Armstrong's viewpoint. I think that for be considerer a 'supergreatchamption' the Giro-Tour doublet is a neccesary condition. The discussion between Eddy Merchx and Lance Armstong for me is ridiculus since Eddy, acording to my opinion, is the greatest sportman ever.
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| pbenoit4 |
Posted on 11-08-2011 00:18
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Anyone want to set an over/under on how many times in 2012 we will hear the phrase: "The Schlecks have really worked on their time trialing (or spent a lot of time in the wind tunnel) this off-season"? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 11-08-2011 21:53
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kumazan wrote:
Oh, and he has already ridden for Riis. He didn't make him a champion. Not a Tour champion, nor any kind of champion. He's just a very talented, but underachieving, rider. It's up to him to change that.
Yeaah ..against last year good form Contador, ofcorse not..but even then he was much closer then this year.
Also next year..it will be impossible to beat Contador again.
This was the year..but he totally fucked up Pyrenees.. |
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 11-08-2011 22:11
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When you look on the result I don't think the Schlecks did a bad time trial. Evans was just unbeatable. Only Contador was in touch with him there. I think Andy didn't expect Evans that strong so he focused more on Contador. But I agree with you that the tactic of Leopard/the Schlecks was really strange. I mean they had only one good tactic day (Galibier) and the rest was simply f**cked up...
I think Andy should try again next year and when he won't succed he has to change his goals (Giro or Vuelta) In my opinion it's not intelligent to focus just on one race in the full season. I mean he can't copy Armstrong and that he has to realize.. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-08-2011 22:12
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Guido Mukk wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Oh, and he has already ridden for Riis. He didn't make him a champion. Not a Tour champion, nor any kind of champion. He's just a very talented, but underachieving, rider. It's up to him to change that.
Yeaah ..against last year good form Contador, ofcorse not..but even then he was much closer then this year.
Also next year..it will be impossible to beat Contador again.
This was the year..but he totally fucked up Pyrenees..
Last year good form Contador? Last year Contador was weaker than in 2009 and weaker than this year (not in the Tour, obviously). That's why he was closer. The thing is, after 4 years riding for Riis, he didn't become a 'champion', but the unprofessional, egocentric whiner he is now. Of course, that's not Riis' fault, but I can't see how he'd change that, if he couldn't in 4 years. I think you overrate Riis' skills as team manager.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-08-2011 22:20
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Focusing entirely on one race that you don't even win, lacking professionalism, yet being a huge talent, but a tactical idiot... that's not copying Armstrong, that's copying Ullrich... |
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| Deda |
Posted on 11-08-2011 22:23
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Although Ullrich DID actually win one TdF 
Edited by Deda on 11-08-2011 22:24
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