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| redordead |
Posted on 07-02-2023 07:42
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Welcome to the 5th edition of the Pro Hallstatt Classic. A unique climbing race. It isn't just one big climb to decide the winner but rather several attempts up the same climb with repetition being the deciding factor. The finish comes on top of a 3 km steep hill, which is sure to test the limits of the riders, having already tackled the six previous climbs. While climbing is the main skill, a powerful final punch is also important. Also this is the first year the race isn't in PTHC, so it'll be between the best PCT has to offer.
And oh boy the list of favourites is as deep as it gets:
| MO | HI | ST | RS | SP | AC |  Padun | 82 | 77 | 72 | 74 | 60 | 75 |  Novak | 80 | 77 | 74 | 76 | 65 | 76 |  Guldhammer | 80 | 76 | 73 | 74 | 69 | 75 |  Arndt | 79 | 76 | 77 | 76 | 71 | 75 |  Madrazo | 83 | 74 | 78 | 77 | 61 | 69 |  Haig | 82 | 74 | 76 | 75 | 61 | 73 |  Monsalve | 80 | 75 | 78 | 79 | 64 | 72 | | Oomen | 81 | 75 | 78 | 77 | 65 | 69 |  Berhane | 81 | 75 | 77 | 74 | 62 | 68 |  Sicard | 80 | 76 | 77 | 76 | 62 | 67 |  Choi | 81 | 74 | 77 | 76 | 59 | 68 |  Rodrigues | 80 | 73 | 73 | 75 | 61 | 72 |  Quintana | 82 | 74 | 77 | 76 | 51 | 66 |  Min | 79 | 76 | 75 | 77 | 62 | 66 |  Cattaneo | 82 | 70 | 76 | 80 | 51 | 70 |
Padun was 7th last year, but he's arguably the pre race favourites this year with his improved 82 MO he has the best MO/HI combo. Novak is a slightly lesser climber, but an even more explosive finisher. Guldhammer is very similar. The fastest though might be Arndt and he proved himself in PTHC last year with a 5th place. Madrazo on the other hand is the strongest out and out climber, he'll be hoping for an attritional race. Same could be said for Haig.
The rest here are all quite similar. Monsalve is probably the 'fastest' with his MO/HI/AC combo. Oomen, Berhane, Choi, Quintana and Cattaneo are all top climbers, with the latter perhaps struggling more with only 70 HI. Which might lead to a chance to some better rounded outsiders.
| MO | HI | ST | RS | SP | AC |  Mas | 78 | 77 | 74 | 74 | 60 | 77 |  Frankiny | 78 | 76 | 72 | 75 | 61 | 75 | | Pomoshnikov | 79 | 74 | 78 | 76 | 64 | 66 |  Roson | 78 | 76 | 67 | 70 | 54 | 74 | | Shikai | 81 | 71 | 74 | 76 | 57 | 67 |  Reis | 81 | 73 | 78 | 76 | 50 | 64 | | Ranaweera | 80 | 73 | 75 | 75 | 58 | 65 |  Stüssi | 79 | 73 | 77 | 73 | 63 | 66 |  Habtemichael | 78 | 74 | 74 | 73 | 59 | 66 |  Elissonde | 78 | 73 | 76 | 77 | 55 | 66 |  Carapaz | 80 | 71 | 71 | 76 | 56 | 65 |  Garby | 79 | 70 | 71 | 76 | 52 | 70 | | Kritskiy | 80 | 71 | 72 | 70 | 64 | 61 |
Mas is one of those riders. Not counting MO and SP he looks ideal for a race like this. Same with Frankiny who could form a good duo with Pomoshnikov. Roson is another punchy climber although his ST, RS and SP are all pretty low. He could have a premium helper in Kritskiy though. The rest of the riders are mostly diesel climbers and stage racers.
Full startlist:
Spoiler | Haig | Jack | Amaysim Cervélo | | Hamilton | Lucas | Amaysim Cervélo | | Power | Robert | Amaysim Cervélo | | O'Connor | Ben | Amaysim Cervélo | | Canty | Brendan | Amaysim Cervélo | | Monk | Cyrus | Amaysim Cervélo | | Scotson | Callum | Amaysim Cervélo | | Harper | Chris | Amaysim Cervélo | | Monsalve | Yonathan | Assa Abloy | | Gesbert | Elie | Assa Abloy | | Squire | Robbie | Assa Abloy | | Gebremedhin | Awet | Assa Abloy | | Scarponi | Paolo | Assa Abloy | | Bergstrom Frisk | Hannes | Assa Abloy | | Kvist | Linus | Assa Abloy | | Bergstrom Frisk | Erik | Assa Abloy | | Rodrigues | Joao | Binance | | Van Lerberghe | Bert | Binance | | Salinas | Jonathan | Binance | | Lienhard | Fabian | Binance | | Bartl | David | Binance | | Antunes | Amaro | Binance | | Seigle | Roman | Binance | | Ikibe | Sota | Binance | | Madrazo | Angel | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Ndayisenga | Valens | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Uwizeyimana | Bonaventure | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Eyob | Mektel | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Khederi | Souheil | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Hadi | Janvier | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Tesfatsion | Natnael | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Mugisha | Moise | Bralirwa - Stevens | | Guldhammer | Rasmus | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Kämna | Lennard | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Gregaard | Jonas | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Olesen | Patrick | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Asgreen | Kasper | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Forssell | Hugo | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Cannister | Goldwijnn | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Skjelmose Jensen | Mattias | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Carapaz | Richard Antonio | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Hagen | Carl Fredrik | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Bardet | Romain | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Manfredi | Andrea | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Drizners | Jarrad | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Blouwe | Louis | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Donovan | Mark | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Van Tricht | Stan | Crabbe-CC Chevigny | | Kritskiy | Timofey | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | Roson | Jaime | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | Lunke | Sindre Skjostad | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | De la Cruz | David | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | Martin | Guillaume | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | Ziesler | Johan Fredrik | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | Arensman | Thymen | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | Christakos | Dimitrios | Gjensidige Pro Cycling Team | | Elissonde | Kenny | HelloFresh - Lampre | | De Vos | Adam | HelloFresh - Lampre | | Gaspar | Joao | HelloFresh - Lampre | | Battistella | Samuele | HelloFresh - Lampre | | Quinn | Sean | HelloFresh - Lampre | | Baroncini | Filippo | HelloFresh - Lampre | | Vermaerke | Kevin | HelloFresh - Lampre | | Milan | Jonathan | HelloFresh - Lampre | | Rohendi | Teten | Indosat Ooredoo | | Arifin | Muhammad Imam | Indosat Ooredoo | | Gesink | Robert | Indosat Ooredoo | | Gall | Felix | Indosat Ooredoo | | Yudha | Muhammad | Indosat Ooredoo | | Rubio | Einer Augusto | Indosat Ooredoo | | Ahmad | Firdaus | Indosat Ooredoo | | Ocampo | Victor Alejandro | Indosat Ooredoo | | Arndt | Nikias | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Ranaweera | Suranga | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Boily | David | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Koch | Michel | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Destribois | Alex Ariya | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Helme | Sasu | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Tatarinov | Gennadiy | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Chaiyasombat | Thanakhan | Kraftwerk Man Machine | | Oomen | Sam | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Novak | Domen | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Aleotti | Giovanni | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Van Gils | Maxim | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Siddikov | Dilmurdjon | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Potocki | Viktor | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Covi | Alessandro | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Weemaes | Sasha | Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam | | Cattaneo | Mattia | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Lemus Davila | Luis Enrique | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Quintana | Dayer | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Stuyven | Jasper | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Tikhonin | Evgenii | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Novikov | Savva | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Merchan | Didier | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Stöckli | Jan | Minions - Subwoolfer | | Choi | Ki Ho | Philips - Force India | | Eenkhoorn | Pascal | Philips - Force India | | Raileanu | Cristian | Philips - Force India | | Xandri | Jan | Philips - Force India | | Barta | William | Philips - Force India | | Henttala | Joonas | Philips - Force India | | Leemreize | Gijs | Philips - Force India | | Galvan Ramirez | Oscar Samuel | Philips - Force India | | Berhane | Natnael | Project: Africa | | Grmay | Tsgabu Gebremaryam | Project: Africa | | Seibeb | Costa | Project: Africa | | Reguigui | Youcef | Project: Africa | | Main | Kent | Project: Africa | | Tesfom | Sirak | Project: Africa | | Van Heerden | Eddie | Project: Africa | | Munyaneza | Didier | Project: Africa | | Reis | Rafael | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Affonso | Murilo | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Siriwardena | Kashyapa | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Lasinis | Venantas | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Evenepoel | Remco | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Cabanas | Oscar | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Tediashvili | Giorgi | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Januskevicius | Mantas | Red Bull Zalgiris | | Frankiny | Kilian | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Pomoshnikov | Sergei | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Campero | Piter | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Hibatullah | Jamal | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Mat Senan | Mohammad Saufi | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Chhetri | Ajay Pandit | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Anacona | Winner | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Antonelli | Michael | Sauber Petronas Racing | | Sicard | Romain | Strava | | Azman | Muhamad Zawawi | Strava | | Dall'Oste | Daniele | Strava | | Sanikwathi | Thanawut | Strava | | Bernas | Pawel | Strava | | Maesen | William | Strava | | Lindeman | Bert-Jan | Strava | | Debusschere | Jens | Strava | | Padun | Mark | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Spilak | Simon | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Andriafenomananiaina | Zouzou | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Nitu | Adrian | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Dzhus | Volodymyr | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Topchanyuk | Artem | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Papanov | Martin | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Christapopoulos | Pangiotis | Team Popo4Ever p/b Morshynska | | Garby | Marc Christian | Trans Looney Tunes | | Jang | Gyung Gu | Trans Looney Tunes | | Henao Montoya | Sergio Luis | Trans Looney Tunes | | Iino | Tomoyuki | Trans Looney Tunes | | Dyball | Benjamin | Trans looney Tunes | | Vanhoucke | Harm | Trans Looney Tunes | | Novikov | Nikita | Trans Looney Tunes | | Cuming | Michael | Trans Looney Tunes | | Quintana | Nairo | Volcanica - Fox | | Chaves | Johan Esteban | Volcanica - Fox | | Herrada | Jesus | Volcanica - Fox | | Brenes | Gregory | Volcanica - Fox | | Ries | Michel | Volcanica - Fox | | Amador | Andrei | Volcanica - Fox | | Montenegro | Santiago | Volcanica - Fox | | Mendoza | Bryan Fernando | Volcanica - Fox | | Kinoshita | Tomohiro | Voyagin - Bird | | Shikai | Chen | Voyagin - Bird | | Min | Kyeng Ho | Voyagin - Bird | | Lyu | Xianjing | Voyagin - Bird | | Shirota | Yamato | Voyagin - Bird | | Oka | Atsushi | Voyagin - Bird | | Chen | Mingrun | Voyagin - Bird | | Matsuda | Shoi | Voyagin - Bird | | Habtemichael | Daniel | Xero Racing | | Fouche | James | Xero Racing | | Vermeersch | Florian | Xero Racing | | Hamza | Yacine | Xero Racing | | Young | Darren | Xero Racing | | Strong | Corbin | Xero Racing | | Gough | Regan | Xero Racing | | Van Wilder | Ilan | Xero Racing | | Mas | Enric | Zara - Irizar | | Paez | Andres | Zara - Irizar | | Soler | Marc | Zara - Irizar | | Fernandez | Ruben | Zara - Irizar | | Keinath | Nico | Zara - Irizar | | Vichot | Arthur | Zara - Irizar | | Cardona | Julian | Zara - Irizar | | Stüssi | Colin | Jura GIANTS | | Mäder | Gino | Jura GIANTS | | Rowsell | Erick | Jura GIANTS | | Karatsivis | Panagiotis | Jura GIANTS | | Matsangos | Alexandros | Jura GIANTS | | Janssen | Christoph | Jura GIANTS |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-02-2023 08:32
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Let's hope the AI can cope with our double leadership.I really could use the points.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 07-02-2023 09:28
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I really need Madrazo to step up here. Obviously some very tough competition and his low ACC stat and mediocre HIL could hurt him. But he has good support with 3 76+ climbers in the team and he is still the best pure climber, especially taking backup stats into account. Few flat stretches to hurt him, too. Top 3 has to be the goal, even if he's ranked a bit lower in the preview list.
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 07-02-2023 09:49
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Between Ranaweera's diesel and Arndt's finishing I am hopeful for a repeat of a top 5 here.
Thanks for the preview redordead.
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| Laurens147 |
Posted on 07-02-2023 09:49
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I don't expect much from Carapaz, but who knows 
Thanks red for the preview!
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 07-02-2023 10:01
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Haig didn't really shine in Austria most recently - though still solid eventualy - so I hope he will do better in his next race here. Top-5 must be the goal, even though he may have to have a very good day to fight for the win/podium.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 07-02-2023 12:08
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Thanks for the preview!
Anything over 0 points here will be considered a success for us.
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 07-02-2023 12:13
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Perhaps not the ideal race for Cattaneo but I could not let him be two RD short
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-02-2023 14:22
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On one hand, I generally tried to avoid this type of race this year. The climber depth is just too much in PCT to count on anything, and Guldhammer is second tier at best after decline. On the other hand, Guldhammer has somehow been our only leader to lvie up to and perhaps exceed expectations this year. So we kind of need him to keep doing that.
The short distance and short, steep climbs generally play in our favor, but we could have used a flat finish to really make the most of his sprint and acceleration. Not even gonna try to set a goal here until we see how the race unfolds. We need something.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 07-02-2023 16:41
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Have hopes that Mas can get a miracle result here but, realistically, we'd have to be happy with a Top 15!
Thank you for a great preview and looking forward to the race. Good luck all 
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 07-02-2023 19:48
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Second - and final - HC classic for us. The competition is obviously massive, and both Stüssi and Mäder aren't the best suited rider to for this profile (missing Hi/Acc), but I'm still hoping to somehow get a Top 20 result.
Thanks for the preview!
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 08-02-2023 01:26
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Only classic foe Choi this season! The startlist is really strong and the profile isn't the most suitable, so not getting our hopes too high.
Thanks for the preview.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 08-02-2023 11:47
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 08-02-2023 11:50
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Ollfardh wrote:
Let's hope the AI can cope with our double leadership.I really could use the points.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 08-02-2023 12:35
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Just fuck this stupid game. I'm done... Motivation has been gone all season and this totally doesn't help...
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 08-02-2023 12:45
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Yesssss! Finally Madrazo shows his prowess and why we paid so, so much money for him  Big win for us and decent finishes from Eyob and Ndayisenga as well after working throughout the day. Thanks for the report!
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 08-02-2023 12:51
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Disappointed but not surprised.
Thanks for the report redordead and congrats cunego!
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 08-02-2023 12:55
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Not really a good result for us with Haig in 9th place and no other backup scorers.. Might have been our worst day (Tour of Norway, Hallstatt) of the season!
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 08-02-2023 14:06
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7th is decent for Choi given the startlist. Happy enough with and with the plethora of minor points scored by the other climbers.
Congrats to cunego and thanks for the report
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-02-2023 15:17
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10th isn't ideal, but it's perfeclty fine given the startlist and how the race unfolded. Can't complain about being one spot behind Haig and ahead of Padun. It all comes down to daily form in a race like this. It did look like the crowded field hurt Rasmus a little bit. He was out of position when the split happened and barely made it across, and then started the final climb in the back half of the group. I guess my support for him might have been lacking, but probably just a matter or chance when there are like 75 80+ climbers.
Congrats to Bralirwa on the dominant win. Sneaky ride by Kinoshita as well, good planning by Valv. And thanks for the report!
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