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[PT/PCT/CT] Calendar, Goals and Race Profiles 2022
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| roturn |
Posted on 06-08-2022 17:53
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Close fails are worth something. Obviously not the same. |
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| jaxika |
Posted on 06-08-2022 18:50
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roturn wrote:
Close fails are worth something. Obviously not the same.
Thank you. And if isnt a big secret, what is meaning close? For a win goal I though a top3 is close. But a Top 5 or Top10? |
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Posted on 04-12-2024 19:30
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 16-08-2022 17:45
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Just a friendly reminder that you have a little more than 48 hours to submit your goals if you want to start transfers knowing your actual budget! I don't know about the other divisions, but there are quite a few PT goals missing.
Given that the deadline for submitting PTHC/HC bands is at the same time as the goals deadline (end of Thursday), you might not be able to wait for the bands outcome before having to submit goals.
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| roturn |
Posted on 31-08-2022 19:00
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Those managers that had an or goal. Please PM the collecting manager with the decision asap. |
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| ember |
Posted on 31-08-2022 19:19
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A couple of questions having started the concrete race planning:
1. The first stage in ToNE, that is an individual time trial this season? Exciting with something new!
2. The prologue in the Scandinavia Open Road Race, is that identical to last season's prologue? |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 01-09-2022 14:46
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ember wrote:
A couple of questions having started the concrete race planning:
1. The first stage in ToNE, that is an individual time trial this season? Exciting with something new!
2. The prologue in the Scandinavia Open Road Race, is that identical to last season's prologue?
1. Correct, more specifically it is a cobbled individual time trial.
2. I do not think we touched Scandinavia Open Road Race, so yes.
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| knockout |
Posted on 02-09-2022 19:52
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roturn wrote:
Those managers that had an or goal. Please PM the collecting manager with the decision asap.
Surely we have time until our planning is 100% set in strone to make the decision? Like I'm 98% sure about my decision this year but i usually submitted it when submitting my season planning for the rare case that one still changes the mind about the leader's schedule and i dont see any practical need to do it earlier than that.
Having collected goals in the past, i know many managers use their OR goal to give themselves flexibility for planning instead of using that as an insurance in case of not getting a leader for the targetted terrain so pressing them to already make a decision feels a bit weird to me. It's only two days since wildcards got announced and just one day since the training list and season DB was published so i wouldnt expect managers to have completed (or even started) their planning properly ...
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 02-09-2022 20:01
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I had completed my planning before the transfers ended 
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 02-09-2022 20:21
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I agree with knockout that the deadline for OR goals could easily be the same as the planner deadline. Exact goals are relevant at the end of the season only imho, so if there aren't any administrative reasons to have the OR goals submitted by the end of transfers, I'd propose to slightly change the rules for next year.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 02-09-2022 20:40
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I mean, pretty clearly states in the first post OR Goals should be submitted at the end of Transfers.
". At the end of the transfer season, you must then choose which of these two races you want to keep in your goal.
And the MGUCI Lead is asking. Not sure there's much of an argument here.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 02-09-2022 20:56
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Fabianski wrote:
I agree with knockout that the deadline for OR goals could easily be the same as the planner deadline. Exact goals are relevant at the end of the season only imho, so if there aren't any administrative reasons to have the OR goals submitted by the end of transfers, I'd propose to slightly change the rules for next year.
There is one actually as we can see hints in forum posts of who is going where and decide based on that which goal we stick with.
The or goal already gives us some very needed flexibility in case we pick a goal in one of the hc bands or if we miss out on plan A on transfers and have to resort on plan B and that's what it should be used for and not for waiting to have information on which GT will have the weakest starlist or something like that
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 02-09-2022 21:08
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@TMM
I know, that's why I was talking about next year. roturn clearly said that they should be submitted asap now, that's why I also sent out reminders to the managers who haven't submitted yet.
@alex
I don't think that this is a problem. Revealing planning information is actually not allowed until the end of planning deadline, so if some managers already do so and others benefit form it, sorry, that's their problem.
If everyone thinks that there's enough flexibility with the current OR rules, we should leave it as it is. If most managers think it'd be good to have even more flexibility - especially given that PT wildcards and training DB only are published after transfers end - we could extend the deadline. I'm in favor of the latter solution, but will obviously respect the MGUCI's decision. For this year, it's clear anyway that the OR goals were due by the end of transfers.
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| roturn |
Posted on 02-09-2022 21:12
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Indeed the or goal is mainly to avoid having a goal in a band you don't get or in a race you then can't participate. So basically could be decided whenever the bands are announced. There weren't any or goals before PTHC iirc or they came with HC band selection, no idea anymore. Never was a big issue before neither.
Though it was extended to e.g. give new managers a chance to go for different terrains as well as their transfer plans can easily fail or change. So end of transfers should be enough to know in that case.
Planer deadline then is the next possibility and the last as afterwards rider schedules are announced. Though as Alex said, it is between the lines already after the transfers, so a reason why it should not be too far behind transfers.
In the end though while the rules clearly say, end of transfers, I don't think I did put a lot of pressure here at all, basically just said, asap as some kind of reminder as some managers might even have forgotten they still have to make the decision. So as long as it's there at planer deadline I am fine with it. It's just or goals for me. So I am fine with any wish of the majority of managers here.
Just think it's funny that stricter deadlines are wanted sometimes, when it's hard to have one, while an actually stricter deadline here is then basically ignored or extended.  |
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| knockout |
Posted on 02-09-2022 21:35
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Tbh, i never read that as some sort of deadline but just as a "At some point after transfers, you can decide between the OR goal options" and was mostly surprised by the early reminder PM - especially because that never was the case in the past afaik.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 02-09-2022 23:35
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Similar post was made much closer to the end of transfers last year: https://pcmdaily....st_1401249
Actively pushed for before the end of transfers, the season before that: https://pcmdaily....st_1371984
Likewise: https://pcmdaily....st_1342681
So probably never asked as late as this, and no seeming objection previously
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