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Bikex wrote:
Budgets now correct in renewals file. Please redownload the renewals file!
Sorry about that! The changes are mostly not big


If the change makes you would've done something differently in the bids you already sent in let me know.

Now about the focus races:

82Team BPWT942
6Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling TeamWT898
85KBC GodivaWT880
7Liberty SegurosWT862
44Suntory Lucozade SportWT751
41Grupo Argos - QualaWT712
53Sevilla Cycling TeamWT572
23ItaloWT571
75Bosch Cycling TeamCT558
93Trans Cycling TeamCT521
42AlitaliaWT458
50CCC Sprandi PolkowiceWT451
68Credit SuisseWT403
12Allianz - BMW Cycling TeamWT375
86Brugse Zot - TrekCT372
58Équipe Cycliste PeugeotWT361
40Pedal Africa for QhubekaCT334
43Baku Synergy PlusWT330
32Team Cymru WalesCT290
90Magnum - MadshusCT242
80Equinor Pro Cycling TeamCT228
88Latvijas Balzams - OlainfarmCT219
35Nordea Bank - SAPCT216
15Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - CipolliniWT206
61VisitUkraine p/b NemiroffCT205
91Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerryCT198
89Tierra del FuegoCT180
81Shell Pro CyclingCT174
87Millenium - LATAM AirlinesCT136
70Polestar ProCycling p/b TelenorCT84
63Deutsche BahnWT76
92VIP MobileCT75
46ICBC Cycling TeamCT32
52Santos - EuskadiWT31
94Education First x Palace - NippoCT-7
1Vegeta Cycling TeamWT-37
56Strava - AvantiCT-110
95Cadejo - Bike XpressCT-167



Detailed race data:

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Idteamracecatpoints#tres
1Vegeta Cycling TeamWorld TTT ChampionshipsWT1258,25%24124
1Vegeta Cycling TeamChrono des NationsCT.1626,85%1715
1Vegeta Cycling TeamInt. Österreich-RundfahrtCT.1753,13%21-26
1Vegeta Cycling TeamTrofeo CampaniaWT382,44%20-54
1Vegeta Cycling TeamDeutschland TourWT160,39%22-96
6Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling TeamMilano - SanremoMON46921,40%24270
6Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling TeamParis - RoubaixMON30013,69%19203
6Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling TeamRonde van VlaanderenMON2169,85%21167
6Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling TeamDeutschland TourWT48911,92%22159
6Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling TeamEneco TourWT3008,55%21100
7Liberty SegurosVuelta a GuatemalaWT81521,97%22210
7Liberty SegurosGiro d'ItaliaGT127810,55%24198
7Liberty SegurosTour de FranceTDF13389,77%21184
7Liberty SegurosStrade BiancheWT16910,86%22146
7Liberty SegurosIl LombardiaMON1768,03%22124
12Allianz - BMW Cycling TeamGiro d'ItaliaGT152512,59%24230
12Allianz - BMW Cycling TeamStrade BiancheWT17010,93%22147
12Allianz - BMW Cycling TeamCourse de la PaixWT3258,79%2096
12Allianz - BMW Cycling TeamCourse du Lac d'AnnecyWT966,17%2137
12Allianz - BMW Cycling TeamLiège - Bastogne - LiègeMON00,00%21-135
15Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - CipolliniVuelta a EspañaGT144011,93%20188
15Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - CipolliniVuelta Ciclista al Pais VascoWT58215,69%20183
15Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - CipolliniLa Flèche WallonneWT674,31%21-10
15Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - CipolliniIl LombardiaMON582,65%22-56
15Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - CipolliniTour de FranceTDF2241,64%21-98
23ItaloCourse de la PaixWT58215,75%20183
23ItaloVuelta a TachiraWT54512,05%20148
23ItaloLiège - Bastogne - LiègeMON1757,98%21110
23ItaloGiro d'ItaliaGT9607,92%24146
23ItaloIl LombardiaMON884,01%22-16
32Team Cymru WalesPraha - Karlovy Vary - PrahaCT.213018,03%17103
32Team Cymru WalesPost Danmark RundtCT.229815,94%1793
32Team Cymru WalesRideLondon–Surrey ClassicCT.29212,76%24103
32Team Cymru WalesCirculo de JuarezCT.2874,90%19-4
32Team Cymru WalesTour of BritainCT.11365,13%18-6
35Nordea Bank - SAPPost Danmark RundtCT.226714,29%1785
35Nordea Bank - SAPRheinland-Pfalz RundfahrtCT.21498,39%2367
35Nordea Bank - SAPVolta ao AlgarveCT.21348,00%1726
35Nordea Bank - SAPTour do RioCT.2608,32%2048
35Nordea Bank - SAPClasica IbericaCT.2385,27%16-9
40Pedal Africa for QhubekaTour of South AfricaCT.235514,99%20102
40Pedal Africa for QhubekaTour of OmanCT.233519,99%17109
40Pedal Africa for QhubekaVolta a PortugalCT.224210,22%2176
40Pedal Africa for QhubekaVuelta a ColombiaCT.21315,56%2112
40Pedal Africa for QhubekaAmgen Tour of CaliforniaCT.21346,45%2335
41Grupo Argos - QualaVirginia Chrono TourWT111637,92%23210
41Grupo Argos - QualaTour of ToowoombaWT55915,94%23199
41Grupo Argos - QualaChrono des NationsCT.117919,78%17136
41Grupo Argos - QualaTour des FjordsCT.141319,36%19143
41Grupo Argos - QualaIstrian Spring TrophyCT.11346,32%2024
42AlitaliaGrand Prix of SochiWT54615,69%18169
42AlitaliaVirginia Chrono TourWT34311,65%23162
42AlitaliaTour de FranceTDF10307,52%21104
42AlitaliaTour of ToowoombaWT2577,33%2386
42AlitaliaWorld TTT ChampionshipsWT251,65%24-63
43Baku Synergy PlusTrofeo CampaniaWT37023,78%20210
43Baku Synergy PlusVuelta Ciclista al Pais VascoWT3409,16%20105
43Baku Synergy PlusSter ZLM TourWT2196,27%2248
43Baku Synergy PlusGiro d'ItaliaGT6595,44%2450
43Baku Synergy PlusLiège - Bastogne - LiègeMON411,87%21-82
44Suntory Lucozade SportVuelta a EspañaGT190215,76%20236
44Suntory Lucozade SportInt. Österreich-RundfahrtCT.151721,57%21150
44Suntory Lucozade SportIl LombardiaMON1878,53%22142
44Suntory Lucozade SportEneco TourWT2677,61%2175
44Suntory Lucozade SportLa Tropicale Amissa BongoCT.149319,49%20148
46ICBC Cycling TeamTour d'IndonesiaCT.219910,61%1650
46ICBC Cycling TeamVuelta a ColombiaCT.21606,79%2131
46ICBC Cycling TeamQinghai Lake Cycle CupCT.2527,21%1611
46ICBC Cycling TeamTour of OmanCT.21005,97%171
46ICBC Cycling TeamJapan CupCT.170,77%24-61
50CCC Sprandi PolkowiceMilano - SanremoMON1928,76%24169
50CCC Sprandi PolkowiceVirginia Chrono TourWT2327,88%23102
50CCC Sprandi PolkowiceGiro d'ItaliaGT8757,22%24119
50CCC Sprandi PolkowiceTour de FranceTDF9016,58%2169
50CCC Sprandi PolkowiceTrofeo CampaniaWT724,63%20-8
52Santos - EuskadiVuelta a TachiraWT3698,16%2080
52Santos - EuskadiVuelta a EspañaGT6205,14%204
52Santos - EuskadiLa Tropicale Amissa BongoCT.11536,05%2019
52Santos - EuskadiTour de SuisseCT.1722,58%24-28
52Santos - EuskadiWallonië PrijsCT.1212,32%18-44
53Sevilla Cycling TeamTour of Mount FujiWT70220,10%22210
53Sevilla Cycling TeamVuelta a TachiraWT75816,76%20190
53Sevilla Cycling TeamGiro d'ItaliaGT127910,56%24198
53Sevilla Cycling TeamIl LombardiaMON1255,70%2241
53Sevilla Cycling TeamLa Flèche WallonneWT271,74%21-67
56Strava - ANZVirginia Chrono TourWT1856,29%2356
56Strava - ANZCopenhagen - Malmö ITTCT.2466,38%15-3
56Strava - ANZPalm ClassicWT553,53%23-20
56Strava - ANZWorld Ports ClassicCT.1110,66%21-65
56Strava - ANZSter ZLM TourWT391,12%22-79
58Équipe Cycliste PeugeotParis - RoubaixMON28312,91%19193
58Équipe Cycliste PeugeotParis - ToursWT20813,37%21168
58Équipe Cycliste PeugeotSter ZLM TourWT2356,73%2261
58Équipe Cycliste PeugeotDeutschland TourWT2355,73%2233
58Équipe Cycliste PeugeotRonde van VlaanderenMON321,46%21-94
61VisitUkraine p/b NemiroffVolta a PortugalCT.238316,17%21109
61VisitUkraine p/b NemiroffColombia Team GPCT.113014,53%1597
61VisitUkraine p/b NemiroffCircuit des ArdennesCT.21016,04%2119
61VisitUkraine p/b NemiroffTour d'AndorraCT.2975,46%16-8
61VisitUkraine p/b NemiroffTour of South AfricaCT.2943,97%20-12
63Deutsche BahnParis - RoubaixMON1536,98%1953
63Deutsche BahnGent - WevelgemWT744,76%210
63Deutsche BahnMilano - SanremoMON1074,88%2428
63Deutsche BahnStrade BiancheWT704,50%22-1
63Deutsche BahnLiège - Bastogne - LiègeMON1024,65%21-3
68Credit SuisseGiro d'ItaliaGT11979,88%24187
68Credit SuisseLiège - Bastogne - LiègeMON2079,44%21159
68Credit SuisseVuelta Ciclista al Pais VascoWT3098,33%2084
68Credit SuisseAmstel Gold RaceWT1167,46%2062
68Credit SuisseIl LombardiaMON341,55%22-89
70Polestar ProCycling p/b TelenorCopenhagen - Malmö ITTCT.213418,59%1596
70Polestar ProCycling p/b TelenorPost Danmark RundtCT.218910,11%1752
70Polestar ProCycling p/b TelenorGP LuxembourgCT.1566,19%15-5
70Polestar ProCycling p/b TelenorVirginia Chrono TourWT832,82%23-37
70Polestar ProCycling p/b TelenorTour des FjordsCT.1803,75%19-22
75Bosch Cycling TeamLe Géant de ProvenceCT.216522,88%15110
75Bosch Cycling TeamTour of VancouverCT.142416,76%15109
75Bosch Cycling TeamTour de SuisseCT.139714,25%24137
75Bosch Cycling TeamLa JurassaineCT.111612,82%18102
75Bosch Cycling TeamUSA Pro Cycling ChallengeCT.126110,40%22101
80Equinor Pro Cycling TeamRideLondon–Surrey ClassicCT.214119,56%24120
80Equinor Pro Cycling TeamBaltic Chain TourCT.127212,07%21110
80Equinor Pro Cycling TeamCirculo de JuarezCT.21116,25%1914
80Equinor Pro Cycling TeamTour des FjordsCT.11396,52%1921
80Equinor Pro Cycling TeamClasica di Tirreno - AdriaticoCT.1192,10%24-37
81Shell Pro CyclingGiro del TrentinoCT.126611,84%24122
81Shell Pro CyclingUSA Pro Cycling ChallengeCT.12299,12%2290
81Shell Pro CyclingParis - NiceCT.11666,26%160
81Shell Pro CyclingTour de FranceTDF5904,31%21-14
81Shell Pro CyclingAmgen Tour of CaliforniaCT.2552,65%23-23
82Team BPUniversity of Lincoln GPWT27017,35%21199
82Team BPMilano - SanremoMON31014,14%24245
82Team BPGrand Prix of SochiWT54415,63%18169
82Team BPVuelta a GuatemalaWT53314,37%22184
82Team BPParis - ToursWT17511,25%21145
85KBC GodivaIl LombardiaMON44020,07%22270
85KBC GodivaTour de FranceTDF209015,26%21264
85KBC GodivaPalm ClassicWT24315,62%23197
85KBC GodivaGiro d'ItaliaGT137111,32%24210
85KBC GodivaSter ZLM TourWT651,86%22-62
86Brugse Zot - TrekRheden GPCT.219927,60%18120
86Brugse Zot - TrekVDK-Driedaagse De PanneCT.235123,45%20120
86Brugse Zot - TrekCigar City ClassicCT.213518,72%21119
86Brugse Zot - TrekNational Capital TourCT.21398,36%1730
86Brugse Zot - TrekCopenhagen - Malmö ITTCT.2344,72%15-18
87Millenium - LATAM AirlinesCopenhagen - Malmö ITTCT.29212,76%1566
87Millenium - LATAM AirlinesLe Géant de ProvenceCT.2689,43%1530
87Millenium - LATAM AirlinesCritérium InternationalCT.2976,15%1912
87Millenium - LATAM AirlinesInt. Österreich-RundfahrtCT.11536,38%2131
87Millenium - LATAM AirlinesGiro del TrentinoCT.1914,05%24-2
88Latvijas Balzams - OlainfarmTour of South AfricaCT.227711,69%2082
88Latvijas Balzams - OlainfarmVolta a PortugalCT.227011,40%2184
88Latvijas Balzams - OlainfarmTour d'AndorraCT.221211,94%1666
88Latvijas Balzams - OlainfarmLe Géant de ProvenceCT.2608,32%1518
88Latvijas Balzams - OlainfarmQinghai Lake Cycle CupCT.2223,05%16-31
89Tierra del FuegoColombia Team GPCT.117519,55%15125
89Tierra del FuegoTour do RioCT.29312,90%2089
89Tierra del FuegoVuelta a ColombiaCT.21667,04%2134
89Tierra del FuegoTour de San LuisCT.2582,94%21-23
89Tierra del FuegoGran Premio San JoséCT.1171,88%21-45
90Magnum - MadshusCircuit des ArdennesCT.230318,12%21117
90Magnum - MadshusParis - NiceCT.132912,40%1689
90Magnum - MadshusGiro del TrentinoCT.11747,75%2477
90Magnum - MadshusWallonië PrijsCT.1434,75%18-11
90Magnum - MadshusGrand Prix Cycliste de QuébecCT.2152,08%24-30
91Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerryClasica IbericaCT.29212,76%1673
91Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerry4 Jours de DunkerqueCT.221512,11%2188
91Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerryGiro dell'EmiliaCT.1707,73%1728
91Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerryRheinland-Pfalz RundfahrtCT.21257,04%2345
91Guinness Cycling p/b BlackBerryGrand Prix Cycliste de MontréalCT.2121,66%24-36
92VIP MobileE3 Prijs Vlaanderen - HarelbekeWT16010,28%21134
92VIP Mobile4 Jours de DunkerqueCT.21216,81%2131
92VIP MobileParis - RoubaixMON1044,74%19-13
92VIP MobileRonde van VlaanderenMON763,47%21-37
92VIP MobileDwars door VlaanderenCT.1222,43%19-40
93Trans Cycling TeamVDK-Driedaagse De PanneCT.238125,45%20120
93Trans Cycling TeamWallonië PrijsCT.113414,81%18115
93Trans Cycling TeamTour des FjordsCT.157126,77%19150
93Trans Cycling TeamIstrian Spring TrophyCT.12089,81%2087
93Trans Cycling TeamAleko VitošaCT.2648,88%1949
94Education First x Palace - NippoVuelta a ColombiaCT.22339,88%2174
94Education First x Palace - NippoQinghai Lake Cycle CupCT.2669,15%1633
94Education First x Palace - NippoColombia Team GPCT.1758,38%1523
94Education First x Palace - NippoUSA Pro Cycling ChallengeCT.1190,76%22-63
94Education First x Palace - NippoGiro del TrentinoCT.100,00%24-75
95Cadejo - Bike XpressTour de San LuisCT.21778,96%2163
95Cadejo - Bike XpressCirculo de JuarezCT.2100,56%19-54
95Cadejo - Bike XpressVuelta a GuatemalaWT992,67%22-43
95Cadejo - Bike XpressGrand Prix Cycliste de QuébecCT.210,14%24-58
95Cadejo - Bike XpressGran Premio San JoséCT.100,00%21-75
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
Thanks for posting that, glad I could help find the error without actually doing anything.

Kittel's fall in Ster ZLM prevented across the board success but things went pretty well in general.
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Ripley
We really came out top, never scoring the maximum points but all five focus races went very well. I better spend some money on training, because chances are we won't do quite as well again and will have a lower budget next season.
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Croatia14
I forgot the catastrophy that was Istrian Spring Trophy and did cost us quite a lot at the end.
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jandal7
Phew not negative didn't expect that honestly :lol:
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."

[ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] i.imgur.com/c85NSl6.png Xero Racing

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krisa
Aru Crashing in TDF Costs us probably 250 that's an awfull lot Pfft
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Ripley
Focus Races explained!

I took a closer look at our focus race performances to figure out how exactly they work and confirmed what I had estimated before. Look at the following chart:

i.imgur.com/rlYoDCz.png
Those are all (but four) of the CT.2 focus race performances – with the percentages normalized to 20 teams per race. You can earn up to 120 in budget increase, or lose half that much if you don't score any points. With 20 teams participating in a race you will need to score 5% of the available points to break even and slightly less than 10% to score half the maximum budget increase. 15% will already get you to 5/6 (83%) and 20% will give you the full increase. Four teams managed to do it, all of them "overdid" it with 23.5% to 25.5%, so I left them off the chart.

The same goes for all other race categories, too, there's just more to be made or lost. Here's the same chart for the WT races:

i.imgur.com/GTFobwU.png

With WT races you can earn up to 210 and lose up to -105. Again, a few results are cut off. Grupo Argos scored over 43% (normalized) of the total points in the Virginia Chrono Tour! In fact, they "only" scored 38% of the total points – if there are over 20 teams (23 in this case) the above percentages decrease and vice versa. Bosch's 23% of the points in Le Geant de Provence weren't enough for the full increase (110 out of 120) because only 15 teams raced.

It's easy enough to check the points table to see how well you need to do in one-day races, while stage races have many points in different classements to offer. There are nearly 13.700 points to be distributed during the Tour de France. The final GC result carries a lot less weight than the same result in a one-day race.

Here's how much you can make or lose in each category. I'm not sure about the TdF and the other two GTs, they only have a few data points, but it should be close enough:

MinMax
TdF(?)-150300
Mon/GT(?)-135270
WT-105210
CT.1-75150
CT.2-60120

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AbhishekLFC
jandal7 wrote:
Phew not negative didn't expect that honestly :lol:

Same
 
Fabianski
Ripley wrote:
Focus Races explained!

Thanks a lot, great overview!

For us, Colombia Team GP obviously was the main reason for our budget increase. Betting on this race was quite some risk, but we already planned for this one during transfers - glad it paid off Smile
Vuelta a Colombia on the other hand was horrible overall - at least that's what it felt like. Glad we were still above minimum.
Hills were definitely not our strong point, let's see if we can improve there. All in all, definitely happy about having more money available, given that some riders developed really well - and were asking for a significant raise therefore.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
Thanks for the analysis, will have to contemplate the implications for next season but on the whole it works as I thought it did with higher reward for doing well in bigger races.

I think I like my idea of counting 5 out of 6 to collapse difference a little on people who are unlucky with a fall. Or to make it less powerful maybe you can just drop your worst negative, seem like sponsors might forgive one failure. You are still losing budget you might have earned but at least you don't take a hit.
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Shonak
Thanks Ripley, very interesting to look at.

Counting 5 out of 6 results would be a fair manner if crashes remain a part of the game.
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Ripley
I'll support this as well.
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Ripley
Majka and Sagan accepted our first offer! So did all the others riders we wanted to keep except for Tao Hart, he's a bit greedy. Smile
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Fabianski
Ripley wrote:
except for Tao Hart, he's a bit greedy. Smile

You'd have to think he's learnt his lesson from last year's renewals... Guess not, then Pfft
 
ivaneurope
Dunno if I made the right call - I've kept most of the band together to maintain some continuity come the first season in the WT. Well, except for Kangert and Poels - infortuantely there had to be victims and given their age, perhaps was for the better to move on.
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Ripley
I was very close to not making Tao another offer and send him to the FA market again, instead I decided to offer just 10 more and call that my final offer - and he agreed!

Renewals are finished with round 2, and that second round was only for 2 riders (Tao and 20 yo Rodriguez) - no comparison to our previous renewals, which were exciting and heart breaking to the very end. We have 7 open spots on the roster and plenty of cash on hand.
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baseballlover312
Sorry for the delay. In the middle of final exams, but I should have some time to send my first offers today.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
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krisa
Ripley wrote:
I was very close to not making Tao another offer and send him to the FA market again, instead I decided to offer just 10 more and call that my final offer - and he agreed!

Renewals are finished with round 2, and that second round was only for 2 riders (Tao and 20 yo Rodriguez) - no comparison to our previous renewals, which were exciting and heart breaking to the very end. We have 7 open spots on the roster and plenty of cash on hand.
I only have one spot left and not so much cash Rolling Eyes Pfft
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Ollfardh
Is there a deadline yet for renewals? If it's ok, I'd like to do mine after christmas.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Fabianski
Ripley wrote:
I was very close to not making Tao another offer and send him to the FA market again

I guess most managers would have preferred the latter outcome Pfft

After renewals, we're one rider short of the minimum roster size, and I guess with about 400 to play around with we should find someone useful.
And I like the look of the CT DB pre-renewals, with Chamorro and Zabel having moved up to the extended top of the division. Downside, they both got greedy after their development Pfft
 
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