Just one race but it was the biggest on the calendar with the just only finished Tour de France!
And I can already spoiler you, that the division is closer than ever at the top and at the bottom probably as well.
To summarize last update before the Tour:
Isostar was having a 300 point gap over both Evonik and Festina. Then another 500 points to Moser and King Power with the top TdF teams Gazelle and Puma following another 200-300 later.
At the bottom Indosat and cycleYorkshire were having a gap to the safe zone already but then UBS, Rakuten and Volvo were still having contact to Aegon above the line and then also Grieg, Air France, Generali were very close with Aker, ISA, Tinkoff or even eBuddy or Bennelong were not safe yet as they were neither far from top5 nor bottom 5 but at least got a few teams in between.
Tour de France Scoring
Puma is back in the PT title race. Nothing else to say when scoring that dominant.
Gazelle and Evonik the only teams above 1000 points as well, which will see them and in especially later also high up the ladder.
Generali and Air France next both might just have saved themselves from relegation with their performances here while Isostar is losing more than 1000 points on Puma! Still, this was a solid race by them and they are still around the top as the gap of ~300 points to Evonik is basically just gone now.
Volvo, cycleYorkshire and Aegon all scored a bit better than UBS in the relegation fight, which makes it more interesting as other teams such as Grieg, ISA, Aker or Tinkoff have lost on those, while Rakuten and Indosat seem to have lost the fight.
In between Moser with decent points but losing out on the PT podium chances it seems while also King Power will drop.
Team
TdF
1
Team Puma - SAP
1865
2
Gazelle
1288
3
Evonik - ELKO
1063
4
Generali
848
5
Air France - KLM
819
6
Isostar - Specialized
701
7
Volvo acc. by Spotify
694
8
cycleYorkshire
624
9
Moser - Sygic
611
10
Aegon - Peroni
604
11
King Power
580
12
Team UBS
574
13
eBuddy
572
14
Bennelong - Mitchelton
455
15
Festina - OAKA
430
16
Grieg-Maersk
334
17
ISA - Hexacta
323
18
EA Vesuvio
283
19
Aker - MOT
271
20
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
266
21
Rakuten Pro Cycling
235
22
Indosat Ooredoo
192
Yeah, Herklotz is just so damn good scoring more than 1500 points here followed by Madrazo with 935, Sicard and Van Stayen!
From non top10 GC riders Smith another top performer here with Chiarello/Ahlstrand/Schelling/Abreu/Novak/Calmejane also in decent scoring ranges.
Last
Rider
Nat
Team
TdF
1
Silvio Herklotz
GER
Team Puma - SAP
1538
2
Angel Madrazo
ESP
Gazelle
935
3
Romain Sicard
FRA
Air France - KLM
728
4
Michael Van Stayen
BEL
Evonik - ELKO
624
5
Simon Spilak
SLO
Generali
520
6
Daan Olivier
NED
Aegon - Peroni
382
7
Louis Meintjes
RSA
cycleYorkshire
358
8
Dion Smith
NZL
King Power
339
9
William Chiarello
BRA
Evonik - ELKO
335
10
Joseph Dombrowski
USA
eBuddy
306
11
Lachlan Morton
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
290
12
Jonas Ahlstrand
SWD
Volvo acc. by Spotify
287
13
Jose Alarcon
VEN
Volvo acc. by Spotify
243
14
Patrick Schelling
SWI
Team UBS
237
15
Warren Barguil
FRA
Moser - Sygic
206
Spoiler
16
Primoz Roglic
SLO
Isostar - Specialized
199
17
Jorge Abreu
VEN
Team UBS
178
18
Domen Novak
SLO
Isostar - Specialized
171
19
Lilian Calmejane
FRA
Isostar - Specialized
155
20
Sondre Holst Enger
NOR
cycleYorkshire
155
21
Fredrik Strand Galta
NOR
Aker - MOT
146
22
Sigurd Nesset
NOR
Grieg-Maersk
133
23
Panagiotis Vlatos
GRE
Festina - OAKA
132
24
Jonathan Lastra
ESP
Grieg-Maersk
128
25
Ignacio Jesus Prado
MEX
Moser - Sygic
124
26
Tao Geoghegan Hart
GBR
Gazelle
123
27
Natnael Berhane
ERI
ISA - Hexacta
117
28
Nick Van der Lijke
NED
EA Vesuvio
114
29
Danny Van Poppel
NED
eBuddy
108
30
Geoffrey Soupe
FRA
Moser - Sygic
106
31
Aidan Van Niekerk
RSA
Festina - OAKA
100
32
Matvey Mamykin
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
98
33
Mikel Bizkarra
ESP
Isostar - Specialized
90
34
Nairo Quintana
COL
Rakuten Pro Cycling
89
35
Daniel Teklehaimanot
ERI
King Power
85
36
Charalampas Kastrantas
GRE
Festina - OAKA
82
37
Michal Schlegel
CZE
Moser - Sygic
81
38
Daniil Fominykh
KAZ
Team UBS
81
39
Colin Stüssi
SWI
Team Puma - SAP
80
40
Rohan Dennis
AUS
Generali
77
41
Tanel Kangert
EST
Gazelle
76
42
Richard Antonio Carapaz
ECU
Volvo acc. by Spotify
75
43
Yuriy Vasyliv
GER
Team Puma - SAP
75
44
Rafael Valls
ESP
Aegon - Peroni
71
45
Benjamin Dyball
AUS
Generali
66
46
Remi Cavagna
FRA
Team Puma - SAP
65
47
Emerson Santos
BRA
ISA - Hexacta
65
48
Robert Power
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
62
49
Aleksandar Roman
SER
Isostar - Specialized
56
50
Ilnur Zakarin
RUS
ISA - Hexacta
56
51
Gianluca Brambilla
ITA
eBuddy
55
52
Romain Vanderbiest
FRA
Indosat Ooredoo
55
53
Caio Godoy
BRA
EA Vesuvio
53
54
Denys Karnulin
UKR
Gazelle
53
55
Andy Schleck
LUX
EA Vesuvio
51
56
Pim Ligthart
NED
Indosat Ooredoo
50
57
Yevgeniy Gidich
KAZ
King Power
49
58
Kenny Elissonde
FRA
Indosat Ooredoo
47
59
Artem Samolenkov
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
45
60
Teodoro Costagli
ITA
Rakuten Pro Cycling
45
61
Fabio Aru
ITA
eBuddy
45
62
Nathan Brown
USA
Generali
45
63
Fabio Jakobsen
NED
King Power
44
64
Nelson Oliveira
POR
Generali
43
65
David Boily
CAN
Festina - OAKA
42
66
Sebastian Schönberger
AUT
Moser - Sygic
42
67
Jose Fernandes
POR
Generali
42
68
Patrick Bevin
NZL
Team Puma - SAP
40
69
Andreas Vangstad
NOR
Aker - MOT
40
70
Luke Durbridge
AUS
cycleYorkshire
39
71
Ian Bibby
GBR
Gazelle
38
72
Edoardo Zardini
ITA
Aegon - Peroni
36
73
Neilson Powless
USA
Gazelle
35
74
Filippo Ganna
ITA
Team Puma - SAP
35
75
Loic Vliegen
BEL
Aegon - Peroni
35
76
Giacomo Nizzolo
ITA
Festina - OAKA
34
77
Sergey Chernetskiy
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
33
78
Casper Pedersen
DEN
Aker - MOT
32
79
Martins Blums
LAT
Evonik - ELKO
31
80
Dylan Van Baarle
NED
cycleYorkshire
30
81
Tobias Ludvigsson
SWD
Generali
30
82
Jakub Kratochvila
CZE
Rakuten Pro Cycling
30
83
Felix Grossschartner
AUT
Grieg-Maersk
28
84
Thomas Revard
USA
King Power
28
85
Phan Age Haugard
NOR
Volvo acc. by Spotify
27
86
Artur Grigrian
ARM
Team UBS
26
87
Stefan Kung
SWI
Generali
25
88
Michael Hepburn
AUS
Moser - Sygic
25
89
Thomas Koep
GER
Aegon - Peroni
25
90
Thomas Dekker
NED
Aegon - Peroni
25
91
Oscar Rodriguez
ESP
eBuddy
24
92
Jianhua Ji
CHN
ISA - Hexacta
23
93
Cameron Bayly
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
23
94
Dayer Quintana
COL
Aker - MOT
23
95
Ben O'Connor
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
23
96
David Rosch
GER
Air France - KLM
22
97
Johann van Zyl
RSA
Air France - KLM
22
98
Nils Politt
GER
Team Puma - SAP
22
99
Brendan Canty
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
22
100
Kristoffer Halvorsen
NOR
Volvo acc. by Spotify
22
101
Guillaume Martin
FRA
Air France - KLM
22
102
Chun Kai Feng
TPE
ISA - Hexacta
21
103
Muhamad Zawawi Azman
MAS
King Power
21
104
Piotr Brozyna
POL
Rakuten Pro Cycling
21
105
Murilo Affonso
BRA
ISA - Hexacta
21
106
Marc Goos
NED
EA Vesuvio
20
107
Gregory Brenes
CRC
Indosat Ooredoo
20
108
Oscar Riesebeek
NED
Evonik - ELKO
20
109
Mikel Iturria
ESP
Grieg-Maersk
20
110
Alexander Foliforov
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
20
111
Nikita Novikov
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
20
112
Nans Peters
FRA
Isostar - Specialized
20
113
Giulio Ciccone
ITA
Aegon - Peroni
20
114
Enric Mas
ESP
Evonik - ELKO
20
115
William Barta
USA
Festina - OAKA
20
116
Aleksey Rybalkin
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
20
117
Michel Koch
GER
Air France - KLM
20
118
Jose Goncalves
POR
Team UBS
20
119
Tomoyuki Iino
JPN
Rakuten Pro Cycling
20
120
Pavel Sivakov
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
20
121
Havard Blikra
NOR
Volvo acc. by Spotify
20
122
Timothy Roe
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
20
123
Gabor Fejes
HUN
Gazelle
18
124
Michal Kukrle
CZE
Moser - Sygic
17
125
Benjamin Thomas
FRA
Team UBS
16
126
Dan Holloway
USA
EA Vesuvio
15
127
Jakub Kaczmarek
POL
eBuddy
14
128
Michael Vanthourenhout
BEL
King Power
14
129
Mark Dzamastagic
SLO
Evonik - ELKO
13
130
Anders Skaarseth
NOR
cycleYorkshire
13
131
Andrew Tennant
GBR
cycleYorkshire
13
132
Gabriel Cullaigh
GBR
cycleYorkshire
13
133
Lasse Norman Hansen
DEN
Grieg-Maersk
12
134
Rhys Gillett
AUS
Grieg-Maersk
11
135
Jasha Sütterlin
GER
Team Puma - SAP
10
136
Yannick Stoltz
LUX
Evonik - ELKO
10
137
Georgios Karatzios
GRE
Festina - OAKA
10
138
Steven Lammertink
NED
eBuddy
10
139
Hampus Anderberg
SWD
Aker - MOT
10
140
Aydar Zakarin
RUS
Team Tinkoff - La Datcha
10
141
Alex Wohler
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
10
142
Armands Becis
LAT
Evonik - ELKO
10
143
Nicholas Dlamini
RSA
ISA - Hexacta
10
144
Omer Goldstein
ISR
eBuddy
10
145
Daniel Turek
CZE
Moser - Sygic
10
146
Tushantha Rajapakshage
SRI
Rakuten Pro Cycling
10
147
Enkhtaivan Bolor-Erdene
MGL
Indosat Ooredoo
10
148
Piter Campero
BOL
ISA - Hexacta
10
149
Morgan Kneisky
FRA
EA Vesuvio
10
150
Martin Reimer
GER
EA Vesuvio
10
151
Trond Hakon Trondsen
NOR
Aker - MOT
10
152
Kasper Asgreen
DEN
Volvo acc. by Spotify
10
153
Marildo Yzeiraj
ALB
Aker - MOT
10
154
Anatoliy Budyak
UKR
Festina - OAKA
10
155
Lars Boom
NED
Aegon - Peroni
10
156
Rei Onodera
JPN
Rakuten Pro Cycling
10
157
Ronan Van Zandbeek
NED
Volvo acc. by Spotify
10
158
King Lok Cheung
HKG
Rakuten Pro Cycling
10
159
Manuele Boaro
ITA
Gazelle
10
160
Clement Russo
FRA
Isostar - Specialized
10
161
Gilles Heymes
LUX
EA Vesuvio
10
162
Sebastien Ivars
FRA
Team UBS
10
163
Justin Wolf
GER
Indosat Ooredoo
10
164
Silvan Dillier
SWI
Team UBS
6
165
Glenn O'Shea
AUS
Bennelong - Mitchelton
5
166
Ho-Ting Kwok
HKG
Air France - KLM
3
167
Ian Stannard
GBR
cycleYorkshire
3
168
Mathieu Bernaudeau
FRA
Air France - KLM
2
169
Mathias Krigbaum
DEN
Grieg-Maersk
1
170
Julien Vermote
BEL
Grieg-Maersk
1
Post TdF Ranking
A few information already being written above but to make it short. The top3 teams are incredibly close. Evonik is passing Isostar but with 2 rd less, this is projected even closer with Isostar actually again 13 tiny points ahead!
Both are still ahead of Puma, but it`s now 3 teams that are projected within less than 100 points in the end and for all other teams it might be difficult to enter this are again.
Gazelle and Festina still best of the rest both with around 500 points to the podium. Festina though has quite a few race days less and might surprise if they can improve their PpRD by a little bit, which will be hard though as this includes the Lecuisinier Vuelta win.
Moser and KingPower drop a bit but still in a solid position while eBuddy, EA Vesuvio and Bennelong are the remaining top10 teams. All 3 clearly must have hoped to be a bit higher due to lower than expected TdF scorings by clearly 200-500 points each.
At the bottom Indosat clearly is relegated. They are far from all others while both Rakuten and cycleYorkshire still have a chance but would need big races soon as the gap is around 600 points now. Kinoshita for Rakuten might be the last chance in a hilly end of the year.
UBS remains under the line but is a lot closer than the two mentioned teams while Grieg drops below the line and now need some miracle from their cobbled/classic team in the remaining races, of which they likely need couple surprises in the sprinter classics as well with late attacks.
Air France up to 12th and actually a decent gap of ~500 points, Aegon up to 15th having less than 200 points though and Volvo another spot and 35 points later move up, which means some teams drop down.
Biggest drop from Aker MOT. They are just one spot ahead the line now, having a 100 point gap though. A lot will likely depend on Kwiatkwowski in the harder races now.
ISA and Tinkoff are now in the range of Aegon/Volvo and can`t feel safe yet. First might hope that Degenkolb as maybe best PT sprinter can score enough on all the flat classics in the next weeks while Tinkoff really needs surprise scorings as except the few cobbled classics, their big scoring potential from Kritskiy was used in the GTs already.
Herklotz basically needed two dominant races in the TdF and Suisse to score more than all others! Add some extra points from 2-3 other races and he is having a gap to Lecuisinier as next and Phinney in 3rd.
Sicard moving up from 31st to 4th and ahead of Taamara and Madrazo, who also climbs more than 100 spots.
Lutsenko still the best puncheur by far, now ahead of Van Stayen, Degenkolb and still Malecki, who beats Demare as last top10 in the club of 1000+ scorers.
Mentionable jumps from Morton, Meintjes or Olivier in the 15-30 area.
As good as moving upwards is, it`s still not safe yet.
Comparing my riders to the performances last year, it`s quite shocking for many.
Olivier basically the only one improving, which was expected due to the training.
De Bie is still awful, not even in the top30 but then again he still has quite a few race days, which make he hope, he can find his legs somewhere and secure staying up. But the gap of 150-300 points to other puncheurs when being a top1-3 on paper hurts.
Zardini basically on 25 % of his last year points. Had expected to drop a bit but he should at least be around 50-75 % instead of tiny points only, mainly from finishing a race....
Groenewegen the biggest extreme. Last year was huge and overperformance but from 1000+ points to 420 right now is awful to see still and a few classics to improve though. Though he is only half of Grosu for example, who is having another huge season, less than half of Degenkolb.
In addition the missing points from 2019 Velits, Keinath, Boom, Dekker, which is basically down to 0 and only covered a tiny bit bit those 294 Valls points, is the big difference.
Can only hope that I stay up and next year Van Hooydonck is doing decent, which wasn`t the case this year except Franceville and then find a proper replacement for the lost riders last year to guarantee additional 500-1000 points.
My heart breaks seeing King Power drop from top 5 and having a fairly large gap. At the same time it's fantastic seeing cycleYorkshire relegating and Generali struggling. Beautiful
quadsas wrote:
My heart breaks seeing King Power drop from top 5 and having a fairly large gap. At the same time it's fantastic seeing cycleYorkshire relegating and Generali struggling. Beautiful
A bit of rivalry between teams might be nice/okay.
But really wishing others to fail and relegate is something I don`t really like.
The Man Game is a community game, which works by a positive attitude between managers and fair dealings with each other.
I don`t remember any other manager that often and that directly writing something like this and I am not sure I want to hear this any longer.
So I really ask you to maybe start with the postive attitude and fair dealings with each other as this otherwise really hurts the game and the joy of some managers, which is something I won`t tolerate anymore.
And please don`t start a discussion here in the rankings thread for this. If you want to complain, please do so via PMs to me.
But oh boy, we're doomed, I fear. It's all on Kwiatkowski, who doesn't really have a lot of races left. 15 race days in total, I think, where we can't afford a single bad day.
To be honest, it feels really, really rough to be in this position having just finished the final GT this season, where we actually won one of them. Though, the disastrous (purely points wise) Giro win will haunt us, I'm afraid.
Having said that, we'll do our best, and we're still not in the relegation zone. Every point will count moving forward, meaning any breakaway appearance or sprint for minor placings in "zero points races" could be vital. Hopefully we're up for it, starting with GP Moscow!
Good to see there's a proper fight for the win as well. Isostar must fancy their chances after another brilliant GT, with Phinney having several (I guess) race days left.
ember wrote:
Good to see there's a proper fight for the win as well. Isostar must fancy their chances after another brilliant GT, with Phinney having several (I guess) race days left.
Sadly this is not true, I think he has 2 races left, and one of these is a huge risk I took. I think it will come down to the wire between Evonik, Festina, Puma, Gazelle and us (don't count out Gazelles depth in the more open later races of the season). Very exciting times ahead. Thanks for the update roturn!
And like always it's going to be a tight one in the 8-12 region.
With such a bad TdF from Dombrowski we are also out of contention for the top 5 team rankings which means that this year we will achieve none of our goals
Thanks for the update, roturn. 100+ points from both Lastra and Nesset is good scoring for them and in general happy to be in 16th place in the TdF rankings.
As expected we drop a bit, but I don't agree that we need a miracle. Just Herbiers alone could see us above the line and Würtz also has Deutschland (and Tasmania) left where he can score big. I thought Phinney would be there also, but perhaps not based on Croatia's comment.
Wisniowski hasn't scored great this season and we missed on the PTHC bands, but he still has Midlands, Rheden and ToNe left. Together with Mads P and Kragh we also hope they can do something in the flat classics.
Other than Maroc and Lombardia, I think we can score good in all races we have left and possibly get to 5200-5300 points. That might not be enough and it will probably be a great fight all the way in. I believe Tinkoff, ISA, Aegon, Aker and Volvo is all possible to pass. Riders like Ahlstrand, Degenkolb, Stallaert, Kwiato, Groenewegen, Senechal, De Bie should all be capable to score a good amount, so I just have to cross my fingers and hope that Wisniowski deliver his best. He should be a top 3 cobbler at least in every race, so I still believe in our chances.
Absolutely love to see that 1-2 And the legend Dion Smith in the Top 30!
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tastasol wrote:
I believe Tinkoff, ISA, Aegon, Aker and Volvo is all possible to pass. Riders like Ahlstrand, Degenkolb, Stallaert, Kwiato, Groenewegen, Senechal, De Bie should all be capable to score a good amount, so I just have to cross my fingers and hope that Wisniowski deliver his best. He should be a top 3 cobbler at least in every race, so I still believe in our chances.
I obviously hope, I stay ahead of you.
The final part of the season might be good to me as De Bie and Groenewegen both having ~ half their race days left with several sprinter classics and hill races.
Olivier also has couple rd, so my leaders aren`t done yet and neither is the depth around them.
I admit, I might have underestimated you when I talked from a miracle. But still I feel you need to perform decently in the sprinter classics with late attacks, e.g. Paris Tours obviously is made for such attack and yes, might have underestimated the TT heavy races.
Thanks for the update! It was to be expected that my team wouldn't be able to hold the top 5 position. However, the big gap down to 8th place makes me quite happy. I don't think that 4 or more team will be able to close it in the final part of the season, which means that I should be able to achieve my top 10 rankings goal.
Dion Smith in the top 30 is absolutely insane and (almost) makes me forget about Reis who is already out of the top 100, despite having used all of his race days already.
The fight at the top is intense and it will be very interesting to see who will end up at top in the end. All 3 teams would deserve the title, but I'm obviously cheering for Evonik with my boy Marzuki!
The relegation battle is also very interesting. Grieg are now finally below the line, but I think they will pull through in the end with the heavy mountain stage races mostly being raced now.
I feel very bad for Rakuten. They definitely shouldn't be in the position they are now given their team composition. It's really unfortunate that the combination of Shikai and Quintana does not seem to pay off at all and also Kinoshita is not having a great season.
Some clear groups have formed at the top of the PpRD table.
Evonik and Isostar are taking powerful turns at the head of E1, with Puma recuperating in their wheel and Festina hanging on for dear life.
Fourty seconds later Gazelle, Moser and King Power form a flurry of stragglers with small gaps between them, all firmly in the chasse patate and frantically trying to claw their way back to the front.
The Vesuvio and eBuddy led peloton is breathing down their necks but not exactly getting closer.
I feel very bad for Rakuten. They definitely shouldn't be in the position they are now given their team composition. It's really unfortunate that the combination of Shikai and Quintana does not seem to pay off at all and also Kinoshita is not having a great season.
Thanks. I was obviously hopeful that I would survive, and early in the season things were looking good, but I built my team to be competitive in the GTs and that has just completely failed. My hope was that I would outscore teams with only 1 GC leader, by being able to bring a decent GC rider to all 3, compared to some teams only being able to bring a leader for 1 or 2.
In all my experiences with GTs in PCM18, if a GC rider falls out of the challenge they move on to target breakaways and KOMs, so I assumed Quintana and Shikai would be perfect, kind of being in that outsider position, but I think perhaps the game doesn't scale the quality of leaders down based on the startlist, but instead just uses riders in a hardcoded range of 77-79 as those would be the "outsiders" as most normal DBs the top stat is an 83.
Hilly classics were few and far between thanks to my band choices, so Kinoshita has just had a quiet season more than underperforming. He should hopefully ride a bit more in the end of the season, but I think the gap is too big now.
I've been debating a complete fire sale when I relegate, although Kinoshita will obviously remain with the team, and Asian focus will hopefully remain as well. It depends what the cap situation is after renewals.
We have quite the gap for top 3 now, and I doubt that we will be able to claw that back, but we have to try.
Before the season started I would have been very pleased with 5th at this state, and while we do have a couple of potentially big races left, we mostly have the opposite. Like Roturn mention we don't have anymore racedays from Lecuisinier, and despite not scoring a lot we are also running out of racedays from Bongiorno, van Niekerk and Nizzolo who (on paper atleast) are some of those depth-point scoring riders.
So a lot will have to depend on Koretzky and Coquard. Both have been doing OK/good this season, but I think we only have 3 really strong races left - and those need Coquard to perform as a top 3 sprinter.
Some interesting battles going on here and there though, but if Evonik can be 1st just after the final GT of the season there's no chance they will be caught. Even with Isostar and Puma still having some key races left aswell.
And the legend Dion Smith in the Top 30!
