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Tour de San Luis Discussion
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| redordead |
Posted on 07-04-2021 12:00
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Welcome to the 11th edition of Tour de San Luis. The race has been a part of the MG calendar since 2010. Initially starting out as a 6 day event it has grown out to having 8 stages in the last few years. The race is divided into 4 hilly stages, 2 time-trial stages and 2 flat stages. With that given this is a race that favours the puncheurs, but will also punish those who are not proficient against the clock. On paper there are only 2 stages for the sprinters, but stage 4 could also become the sprint, if the peloton wants it.
With that said let's look at some of the favourites:
| FLA | MON | HIL | TTR | RES | ACC | PRL |  Kelderman | 70 | 71 | 82 | 70 | 75 | 72 | 70 |  Meyer | 74 | 69 | 79 | 69 | 71 | 77 | 69 |  Juul-Jensen | 73 | 70 | 78 | 67 | 74 | 79 | 67 |  Eiking | 71 | 69 | 78 | 65 | 74 | 76 | 67 |  Edmondson | 70 | 69 | 79 | 64 | 72 | 76 | 64 |  Craddock | 71 | 73 | 74 | 76 | 75 | 68 | 76 |  Quevedo | 69 | 71 | 78 | 65 | 72 | 75 | 65 |  Hoelgaard | 72 | 74 | 77 | 65 | 72 | 74 | 65 | | Watson | 70 | 65 | 78 | 68 | 72 | 72 | 67 | | Novak | 70 | 77 | 73 | 76 | 73 | 65 | 76 |  Costa | 67 | 68 | 77 | 73 | 67 | 67 | 73 |
Kelderman is the #1 favourite in any hilly race he enters. Apart from his prowess on the hills, he is also the best time-trialist among the puncheurs. Another big contender is Meyer. A former winner from 2018 he is an excellent puncheur who will try to rival Kelderman on the hills, while not giving much away on the TT bike. Juul-Jensen, Eiking and Edmondson are all expected to lose more time against the clock, so they will need to perform well going uphill.
Craddock is a better rounded stage racer type rider. He'll look to take advantage of the TTs and limit his losses on the uphill finishes. Quevedo and Hoelgaard are good in the hills, as is Watson who will probably be Kelderman's super domestique, but also has the skills to pull off a good GC result himself. Novak is in the stage racer bracket as Craddock. Costa is a 2-time winner of this race. He won it last year and back in 2016. He has the perfect skill set for this race, but he's 34 now. Can he do it again?
| RES | ACC | PRL |  Keough | 73 | 79 | 80 | | Jiang | 73 | 75 | 79 |  Hamza | 73 | 68 | 79 | | Li | 68 | 75 | 78 | | Cruz | 72 | 70 | 78 | | Gretsch | 70 | 68 | 78 | | Dumoulin | 76 | 67 | 78 |  Sterbini | 73 | 67 | 78 |  Scully | 70 | 80 | 77 |  Oram | 72 | 70 | 77 | | Ghyselinck | 77 | 68 | 77 | | Downey | 74 | 72 | 77 | | Sebright | 70 | 51 | 77 |
The race kicks off with a 4.3 km prologue. Keough is the top contender to take the leader's jersey here, but he will face tough competition from Jiang and Hamza. Plenty of other contenders for the opening stage though. So as usual with short time-trials the differences will be minimal.
| FLA | STA | RES | SPR | ACC | | Wippert | 70 | 75 | 70 | 78 | 82 | | Scully | 74 | 66 | 70 | 79 | 80 | | Keough | 73 | 67 | 73 | 79 | 79 | | Page | 75 | 72 | 72 | 78 | 79 | | Van der Sanden | 73 | 71 | 69 | 78 | 79 | | Guillen | 66 | 64 | 60 | 80 | 80 | | Sanikwathi | 72 | 70 | 67 | 78 | 78 | | Berger | 73 | 72 | 68 | 77 | 77 |  Kvist | 74 | 72 | 73 | 76 | 76 |
Wippert headlines what is a good list of sprinters here, but there isn't a huge depth of quality. Scully will also look to be one of the favourites for a stage win. Him and Keough should also be in contention to grab the leader's jersey given they are expected to do well in the prologue. Page and Van der Sanden are two strongmen who can't be underestimate. As well as Guillen who brings the most speed to the table and has won a stage here last year. Sanikwathi, Berger and Kvist are outsiders, but make the list due to not that many sprinters travelling to Argentina.
| FLA | MON | HIL | STA | RES | ACC | | Kelderman | 70 | 71 | 82 | 80 | 75 | 72 | | Meyer | 74 | 69 | 79 | 74 | 71 | 77 | | Juul-Jensen | 73 | 70 | 78 | 76 | 74 | 79 | | Edmondson | 70 | 69 | 79 | 75 | 72 | 76 | | Eiking | 71 | 69 | 78 | 78 | 74 | 76 | | Quevedo | 69 | 71 | 78 | 72 | 72 | 75 | | Hoelgaard | 72 | 74 | 77 | 72 | 72 | 74 |  Ginanni | 69 | 66 | 79 | 72 | 72 | 68 | | Zordan | 67 | 73 | 77 | 72 | 72 | 74 | | Pernsteiner | 65 | 75 | 77 | 73 | 71 | 72 |  Zaini | 66 | 66 | 80 | 74 | 65 | 70 | | Anuar Aziz | 69 | 65 | 78 | 73 | 68 | 66 |
A lot of names from the GC favourites are of course here. Kelderman will surely be looking to win at least one stage here. The others who might lack the skills to challenge for GC include pure puncheur Ginanni. A pair of mountain loving riders in Zordan and Pernsteiner. And the always volatile Zaini along with Anuar Aziz.
| TTR | PRL | RES | | Dumoulin | 78 | 78 | 76 | | Sterbini | 78 | 78 | 73 | | Cruz | 78 | 78 | 72 | | Li | 78 | 78 | 68 | | Quaade | 78 | 76 | 70 | | Hamza | 76 | 79 | 73 | | Ghyselinck | 77 | 77 | 77 | | Downey | 77 | 77 | 74 | | Oram | 77 | 77 | 72 | | Sebright | 77 | 77 | 70 | | Gretsch | 76 | 78 | 70 | | Laizer | 77 | 76 | 71 |
The longer time-trial will be more in the domain of the powerful riders. Dumoulin, Sterbini, Cruz and Li are favoured riders, but there are plenty of others that can get in amongst them.
Full startlist:
Spoiler | Edmondson | Joshua | BNZ Cycling Team | | Wippert | Wouter | BNZ Cycling Team | | Vuillermoz | Alexis | BNZ Cycling Team | | Mudgway | Luke | BNZ Cycling Team | | Yates | Joel | BNZ Cycling Team | | Erdenebat | Bilguunjargal | BNZ Cycling Team | | Erdenesuren | Munkhtulga | BNZ Cycling Team | | Marryatt | Jake | BNZ Cycling Team | | Juul-Jensen | Christopher | Carlsberg - Danske bank | | Sinkeldam | Ramon | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Sulvaran | Gyasi | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Quaade | Rasmus | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Gregaard | Jonas | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Belevics | Arturs | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Novak | Jakub | Carrefour - ESPN | | Quevedo | Xavier | Carrefour - ESPN | | Sanikwathi | Thanawut | Carrefour - ESPN | | Caruso | Damiano | Carrefour - ESPN | | Li | Wen Hao | Carrefour - ESPN | | Ghyselinck | Jan | Carrefour - ESPN | | Young | Darren | Carrefour - ESPN | | Scully | Tom | Centovalli - Fiat | | Pernsteiner | Hermann | Centovalli - Fiat | | Merino Criado | Pedro | Centovalli - 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| jandal7 |
Posted on 07-04-2021 12:42
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Yearly reminder that Anthony Roux was a god damn beasty bastard in 2017 and came from 27th to 1st in the GC here in two stages with two solo victories.
Hope you all have fun here and thanks to redordead for the preview and reports whatever, but my bragging about a four-year-old event is much more important 
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| MacC |
Posted on 07-04-2021 12:45
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Well suited for Craddock on paper but think his Hills means top 10 is best hope
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 07-04-2021 14:21
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Just here for xp, pray that De Vos might pick up a few points.
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| quadsas |
Posted on 07-04-2021 14:29
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jandal7 wrote:
Yearly reminder that Anthony Roux was a god damn beasty bastard in 2017 and came from 27th to 1st in the GC here in two stages with two solo victories.
Hope you all have fun here and thanks to redordead for the preview and reports whatever, but my bragging about a four-year-old event is much more important
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-04-2021 15:27
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JJ might have gotten me a bit too optimistic about our chances here after how strong he was in Clasico San Cristobal. Without a TTT to get in the way, he will hopefully avoid South Africa syndrome. Obviously his ITT isn't ideal either, but given the competition, I don't think that should put him too far behind. Most puncheurs aren't any better, and I think it's very unlikely a pure TT guy upsets the puncheurs for GC.
I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I really do want a podium here, but ultimately I care more about points scoring at this point that prestige results. We need to find ways to not cede rankigns points to our promotion competitors. Just get it done JJ!
We have Quaade for the TT, so hopefully he can do a bit better than he's done so far this year against the clock, but I don't anticipate a leadership conflict since the hills should be way more selective than in Denmark. A stage 4 placing would do just fine.
When I planned out this year, I tried to give Bertilsson to AKA as a leadout as much as possible. Had I known as I do now that that is a useless strategy and just wasted Bertilsson's race days, I definitely would have sent him here instead. Part of having a versatile team is trying not to waste any race days, and we're likely to lose 2 here. But hey, maybe we'll get in a break.
Tipping Carrefour as a favorite is nothing new, but I really think Novak could be the dark horse favorite here. I considered sending Warbasse here, but decided it would be more efficient to use JJ and have Larry go elsewhere. With how iffy the mtn/hill distinction and hill selectivity can be in PCM 18, Novak has a significant chance to stay with these groups, and even if he loses some time, his TT may make up for it against almost every puncheur. Interested to see how he does paired with Quevedo.
Thanks for the preview!
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 07-04-2021 16:17
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Didn't really think that almost the entire CT field would be present in such a long C2 stage race, but I guess everyone else thought the same
Finally, we don't have a favorite for a flat/hilly stage race, as Pernsteiner definitely isn't among the strongest puncheurs. Therefore, our expectations are rather low GC-wise; a Top 15 would be fine, Top 10 would be good. On the other hand, we really want to get into those breakaways, as there could be quite some good stage results at stake. There aren't too many versatile domestiques to chase down the escapees, so we really need to find our place up front.
Of course, there's Scully as well - and as redordead wrote in the preview, it's our hope to get him into yellow after stage 2. Keough should be the favorite for this, though. But a good position in the race for green is definitely something we're aiming at.
Good luck to everyone, and thanks for the in-depth preview!
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 07-04-2021 19:45
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No hopes at all for the GC, if we would have anyone in the top-25 it would be considered a huge success. Guillén can try to win a sprint again, while Sterbini can hopefully get some revanche for a weaker TT in Denmark earlier. Then it'll just be guys in the breaks for the KoM maybe, but tbh I have no clue what Pollos rider would be able to do something decent in the break, as the team is made out of youngsters and Bru's 
Thanks for the great preview, and good luck to everyone.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 07-04-2021 21:44
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quadsas wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
Yearly reminder that Anthony Roux was a god damn beasty bastard in 2017 and came from 27th to 1st in the GC here in two stages with two solo victories.
Hope you all have fun here and thanks to redordead for the preview and reports whatever, but my bragging about a four-year-old event is much more important
found a liverpool fan
 Touche, funniest thing you've said in a while 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 07-04-2021 23:02
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Pleased with the limited sprint field, between the prolouge and the sprint stages feel like going home with a stage win and a solid position for green isn't an unreasonable expectation. Although fear at least one of the sprint stages will go to a break.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 08-04-2021 06:00
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This is a must-win really. Best puncher and best TT rider among the top punchers. If Kelderman still cannot win, it's going to be very disappointing. Hopefully Dumoulin can improve from his ride in Denmark in the TT. VDS has a decent field to try and score well in the sprints. We have high hopes for this race, can only go downwards from here
Thanks for the preview red
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 08-04-2021 07:25
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Well, with Ssbagwanya, and Seibeb we hope to have an aggressive race in the hills. Reguigui could be an outside bet for a decent GC, but it is a tall ask.
Hopefully Hamza can pull off a strong ride in the prologue which is probably our best shot at a stage win.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 08-04-2021 16:30
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Ah, too bad that Scully got the worst position of the 4" group... 7th would have been a great result for the green jersey, but well Short straw in the prologue lottery, that happens... I hope he'll show some even better prologues in races where it really counts. Anyway, getting yellow is absolutely possible tomorrow, but some other sprinters are within reach of the GC lead, too. Will be a close fight!
Congrats to P:A on a great opening stage and the early race lead, and thanks to red for the report!
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 08-04-2021 17:01
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Really like this style of TT report, red. Makes it very easy to follow.
Half of my TTers had a shocker of a prologue, but the other half punched above their weight. Having numerous entries for the lottery pays off! Happy old man Gretsch could clinch this considering he was a very last-minute signing.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 09-04-2021 01:08
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Prolouges are a lottery so was prepared for disappointment but have to say Keough's 17th was pretty much worst case for a guy who was solo #1 favorite on paper.
As long as he saves the good ride for the Pro Cycling Challenge on home turf I will forgive him.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-04-2021 01:25
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Not a terrible ride by Quaade given that his PRL is only 76. JJ loses a few seconds, but hopefully the race will be selective enough for that not to matter much.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 09-04-2021 05:54
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What is it with Dumoulin and 6th place?
Thanks for the report!
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 09-04-2021 08:44
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Can't complain with a third place by Sterbini Bru and Guillén were fighting for the red lantern but got beat by one rider No worries though, they'll get there in the coming days.
Thanks for the report, red, and congratulations to Aidan!
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-04-2021 17:04
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Weird that we were chasing, considering we had absolutely no one for a sprint here, not even Eislers.
Congrats to Fabianski for executing his plan perfectly.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 09-04-2021 18:48
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Pretty quiet from us, which is to be expected, just hope that Durasek can work wonders on the TT and pull in a decent GC result so we don't 0 point.
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