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| Ripley |
Posted on 11-12-2020 12:13
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Welcome back, Scatmaster!
Luigi didn't say he doesn't want to promote. Just that his team isn't competitive and that he might have to invest in new riders for once. 
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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-12-2020 15:11
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Great team choice Scatmaster!
Credit Suisse, CCC, KBC and Vegeta will get the remaining WT spots. That's also what I thought would be the fairest!
@Ollfardh: It's not really pushing up the "more liked teams" up. The rankings are still the main argument for this decision.
I don't want to reduce the WT size as that will reduce the amount of big spenders and with less teams I think they should stay the same. I'm hoping for some more signups and ICBC will also stay. Maybe if after that the teams are still too few, we can add some manageress teams. |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 12-12-2020 16:38
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Thanks for the unexpected bump, will be fun to participate at the top level
The is news is definitely going to send McRettin into spin. Can he change his mind on having a U23 team?
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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-12-2020 16:40
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I hope I can complete the Renewals file by tomorrow. For now here are some information about the metrics that have an influence on the budget:
Focus Race Performances:
Spoiler | 23 | Italo | WT | 1056 | | 15 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | CT | 931 | | 44 | Suntory Lucozade Sport | WT | 788 | | 53 | Sevilla Cycling Team | WT | 775 | | 41 | Grupo Argos - Quala | WT | 773 | | 20 | CarbonSports - Lightweight | WT | 733 | | 6 | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | WT | 727 | | 42 | Team Alitalia | WT | 636 | | 12 | Allianz - BMW Cycling Team | WT | 626 | | 58 | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | WT | 620 | | 73 | Vittel - Havas Communications | WT | 601 | | 34 | SAP - Bianchi | CT | 600 | | 86 | Brugse Zot - Trek | CT | 499 | | 80 | Equinor Pro Cycling | CT | 483 | | 75 | Bosch Cycling Team | CT | 455 | | 82 | Aviva Cycling Team | WT | 453 | | 63 | Lufthansa | WT | 396 | | 85 | KBC Godiva | CT | 361 | | 78 | The Balkan Cycling Project | CT | 324 | | 68 | Credit Suisse | WT | 309 | | 25 | Fox Sports - BikeNZ Cycling | CT | 299 | | 1 | Vegeta Cycling Team | CT | 279 | | 52 | Santos - Euskadi | CT | 275 | | 7 | Liberty Seguros | WT | 269 | | 21 | PostNL | CT | 243 | | 46 | ICBC Cycling Team | CT | 239 | | 71 | Steelseries CT | CT | 194 | | 84 | Szczecin - Zentiva | CT | 192 | | 81 | Shell Pro Cycling | CT | 152 | | 32 | Team Cymru Wales | CT | 53 | | 40 | Pedal Africa for Qhubeka | CT | 26 | | 70 | Polestar ProCycling p/b Telenor | CT | 13 | | 43 | TVM Cycling Team | WT | 8 | | 74 | Wilier Triestina | CT | -3 | | 11 | Sugoi - Xanterra | WT | -17 | | 83 | Swedbank - PEAB | CT | -50 | | 33 | Project Cumbria p/b Thomas Graham | CT | -56 | | 50 | CCC Sprandi Polkowice | WT | -112 | | 5 | Cool Runnings | CT | -162 | | 61 | VisitUkraine p/b Nemiroff | WT | -277 | | 56 | Specialized - Sony | CT | -427 |
My team did the best this year in their focus races with Nibali winning both the stage races I selected. Ceramica Panaria did extremely well because of choosing two WT races for Aru (including a win in Lombardia)
Some of the best single focus races:
Spoiler | 6 | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | Ronde van Vlaanderen | MON | 447 | | 53 | Sevilla Cycling Team | Giro d'Italia | GT | 429 | | 23 | Italo | Vuelta a España | GT | 399 | | 58 | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | Paris - Roubaix | MON | 396 | | 15 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | Il Lombardia | MON | 383 | | 7 | Liberty Seguros | Vuelta a España | GT | 361 | | 23 | Italo | Vuelta a Guatemala | WT | 350 | | 41 | Grupo Argos - Quala | World TTT Championships | WT | 350 | | 53 | Sevilla Cycling Team | Vuelta a Tachira | WT | 350 | | 73 | Vittel - Havas Communications | World TTT Championships | WT | 350 | | 6 | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | Paris - Roubaix | MON | 335 | | 58 | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | Ster ZLM Tour | WT | 334 | | 42 | Team Alitalia | Ster ZLM Tour | WT | 316 | | 44 | Suntory Lucozade Sport | Vuelta a Tachira | WT | 316 | | 41 | Grupo Argos - Quala | Tour de France | TDF | 316 | | 73 | Vittel - Havas Communications | University of Lincoln GP | WT | 308 | | 23 | Italo | Il Lombardia | MON | 307 | | 20 | CarbonSports - Lightweight | Milano - Sanremo | MON | 305 | | 44 | Suntory Lucozade Sport | Vattenfall Cyclassics | WT | 300 | | 15 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | Giro d'Italia | GT | 298 | | 34 | SAP - Bianchi | Milano - Sanremo | MON | 291 | | 15 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | Giro del Trentino | CT.1 | 250 |
Best scoring ratios:
Spoiler | 15 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | Giro del Trentino | CT.1 | 24,58% | | 73 | Vittel - Havas Communications | World TTT Championships | WT | 23,10% | | 75 | Bosch Cycling Team | Tour de Romandie | CT.2 | 22,01% | | 86 | Brugse Zot - Trek | Rheden GP | CT.2 | 21,91% | | 80 | Equinor Pro Cycling | RideLondon–Surrey Classic | CT.2 | 20,94% | | 25 | Fox Sports - BikeNZ Cycling | Kigali GP | CT.2 | 20,53% | | 53 | Sevilla Cycling Team | Vuelta a Tachira | WT | 20,01% | | 12 | Allianz - BMW Cycling Team | Colombia Team GP | CT.1 | 19,55% | | 6 | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | Ronde van Vlaanderen | MON | 18,84% | | 23 | Italo | Vuelta a Guatemala | WT | 18,33% | | 68 | Credit Suisse | Tre Valli Varesine | CT.1 | 18,12% | | 85 | KBC Godiva | Praha - Karlovy Vary - Praha | CT.2 | 17,34% | | 58 | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | Ster ZLM Tour | WT | 16,84% | | 58 | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | Paris - Roubaix | MON | 16,83% | | 41 | Grupo Argos - Quala | World TTT Championships | WT | 16,83% | | 44 | Suntory Lucozade Sport | Vuelta a Tachira | WT | 16,78% | | 52 | Santos - Euskadi | Grand Prix Cycliste de Montréal | CT.2 | 16,64% | | 86 | Brugse Zot - Trek | Rheinland-Pfalz Rundfahrt | CT.2 | 16,55% | | 78 | The Balkan Cycling Project | Volta a Portugal | CT.2 | 16,37% | | 23 | Italo | Vuelta a España | GT | 16,21% | | 71 | Steelseries CT | Post Danmark Rundt | CT.2 | 16,16% | | 85 | KBC Godiva | Tour de Pologne | CT.1 | 15,58% | | 53 | Sevilla Cycling Team | Giro d'Italia | GT | 15,36% | | 42 | Team Alitalia | Ster ZLM Tour | WT | 15,26% | | 73 | Vittel - Havas Communications | University of Lincoln GP | WT | 15,23% | | 46 | ICBC Cycling Team | Tour of Oman | CT.2 | 15,10% |
Also Ripley went through the teams & statistics thread to count for the PR bonus. Each point in this gives a +20 budget bonus:
Spoiler | Allianz - BMW Cycling Team | jaxika | 0 | | Aviva Cycling Team | Ripley | 10 | | Bosch Cycling Team | cio93 | 0 | | Brugse Zot - Trek | df_Trek | 10 | | CarbonSports - Lightweight | knockout | 7 | | CCC Sprandi Polkowice | dominox | 7 | | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | krisa | 5 | | Cool Runnings | TheManxMissile | 3 | | Credit Suisse | Vali | 4 | | Equinor Pro Cycling | hillis91 | 2 | | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | Marcovdw | 2 | | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | Ollfardh | 2 | | Fox Sports - BikeNZ Cycling | Jakstar22 | 1 | | Grupo Argos - Quala | Croatia14 | 10 | | ICBC Cycling Team | | 0 | | Italo | Bikex | 5 | | KBC Godiva | Ulrich Ulriksen | 8 | | Liberty Seguros | Shonak | 10 | | Lufthansa | AbhishekLFC | 10 | | Pedal Africa for Qhubeka | the_hoyle | 0 | | Polestar ProCycling p/b Telenor | ivaneurope | 8 | | PostNL | nacho63 | 0 | | Project Cumbria p/b Thomas Graham | JoeArmstrong13 | 1 | | Santos - Euskadi | jandal7 | 7 | | SAP - Bianchi | trekbmc | 0 | | Sevilla Cycling Team | javibozada | 1 | | Shell Pro Cycling | jseadog1 | 2 | | Specialized - Sony | Scatmaster111 | 10 | | Steelseries CT | whitejersey | 0 | | Sugoi - Xanterra | Selwink | 0 | | Suntory Lucozade Sport | DaveTwoBob | 5 | | Swedbank - PEAB | viking90 | 5 | | Szczecin - Zentiva | wesley92 | 1 | | Team Alitalia | matt17br | 0 | | Team Cymru Wales | sutty68 | 1 | | The Balkan Cycling Project | Djordje96 | 0 | | TVM Cycling Team | OZrocker | 4 | | Vegeta Cycling Team | SSJ2Luigi | 0 | | VisitUkraine p/b Nemiroff | fjhoekie | 1 | | Vittel - Havas Communications | Yellow Jersey | 6 | | Wilier Triestina | Aquarius97 | 2 |
Edited by Bikex on 14-12-2020 21:55
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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-12-2020 16:41
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Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:
Thanks for the unexpected bump, will be fun to participate at the top level
The is news is definitely going to send McRettin into spin. Can he change his mind on having a U23 team?
Sure. Please make another post in the signup thread in that case so this isn't missed |
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| Ripley |
Posted on 12-12-2020 17:37
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Well done, everybody! I'm very pleased with Aviva's performance in the goal races since there was no obvious race to pick, but tough to see so many teams doing even better.
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| dominox |
Posted on 12-12-2020 18:29
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I guess I have to step up to the game this time. Budget will probably be smaller so I need good transfers period. Gonna be hard but interesting. |
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| Vali |
Posted on 12-12-2020 23:20
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Well thanks for pardoning us Bikex, hopefully we'll manage to do better next year. Villella saved ourselves a bit in Tre Valli Varesine in terms of focus races, let's see if we can make use of this extra cash.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 12-12-2020 23:40
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probably I asked this before, but I don't remember where find it, how exactly do performances correspond to budget increase?
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 13-12-2020 02:38
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One more question - is scoring for focus races the same as the general point scales - so any points matter or is there more focus on specific aspects?
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| Ripley |
Posted on 13-12-2020 08:57
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All points matter. That is, how well you do in a focus race depends on the % of available points your team scored in that race - and the more teams participate, the smaller the % needs to be.
Up to a limit. For example, as you can read from the tables above: The WC TTT was fully booked with 24 teams and the 16.8% of points scored by Grupo Argos was just enough to make the maximum amount of 350 (for a WT race) - the same as Vittel, who won the race and scored 23.1% of the points. While 16.8% wasn't quite enough for Peugeot to make the full 350 in the Ster ZLM Tour where 22 teams lined up.
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| krisa |
Posted on 13-12-2020 09:23
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Seems like my focus races were a good choice.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 13-12-2020 16:20
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Ripley wrote:
All points matter. That is, how well you do in a focus race depends on the % of available points your team scored in that race - and the more teams participate, the smaller the % needs to be.
Up to a limit. For example, as you can read from the tables above: The WC TTT was fully booked with 24 teams and the 16.8% of points scored by Grupo Argos was just enough to make the maximum amount of 350 (for a WT race) - the same as Vittel, who won the race and scored 23.1% of the points. While 16.8% wasn't quite enough for Peugeot to make the full 350 in the Ster ZLM Tour where 22 teams lined up.
Thanks for the explanation, I assumed that it was more like a sponsor goal so finishing in the top 5 or winning stages matter and not total points. Not sure I would have selected differently but kind of burst my bubble since I was pretty happy with winning 2 of my 3 focus races and it turned out not to be all that exciting. It helps to pay attention to the rules.
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| Scatmaster111 |
Posted on 13-12-2020 17:58
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Thank you - it was an existing kit that I redid to be simpler and so that I could add more nc kits, I found it again that day on my old harddrive and just went 'yeah, this will do'
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 14-12-2020 05:05
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Profiles for the 2020 season have been updated. Some races see a change while some stay the same. All previous profiles starting from 2018 are also present in the thread: https://pcmdaily....d_id=49157
Please let me know in case you spot any errors.
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| krisa |
Posted on 14-12-2020 09:27
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Can we change giro del trentino to tour of the alps?
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| Shonak |
Posted on 14-12-2020 10:32
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Interesting GTs with more TTs, makes the races to pick hard but should be three great GTs once again.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 14-12-2020 10:32
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Thanks for the work getting the calendar ready, checking out the Grand Tour with the least TT
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| Ripley |
Posted on 14-12-2020 13:58
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Thanks for the hard work, Abhishek!
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| Vali |
Posted on 14-12-2020 21:33
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Pretty interesting routes for the GTs, with not too many chances for sprinters. All look pretty brutal with a lot of mountain stages so yeah, maybe it's time to invest into more climbers.
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