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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-08-2020 00:33
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Some thoughts:
- It wasn't the smartest finish of course, downhill and very narrow. As I said earlier, I'm thinking it was meant to be wider originaly but some space was cut to make room for the safety of the riders (oh, irony). I'm not going to say no to a downhill sprint all together, but the road needs to be at least 3x as wide if you want to do that.
- Groenewegen did that move on purpose, and not the first time he does it either (ask Naesen). Of course he didn't want Jakobsen to crash let alone suffer these horrible injuries, but he's responsible for it.
- There should be a suspension here and 1 month isn't going to cut it. Of course like it is now 3 month = season over. But in my opinion UCI needs to set an example that this is unacceptable.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 09:17
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Terrible crash. Reminds of when Sagan got disqualified from the tour for taking Cavendish out a few years ago, only much worse.
Hope for a speedy recovery for everyone involved.
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| kubys |
Posted on 06-08-2020 09:53
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I can't see how can someone tell there was no intention? This was classic Abdoujaparov-like dirty move.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 06-08-2020 11:03
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Croatia14 wrote:
Groenewegen will face some ban. Time for Kooij to lead the sprint team of Jumbo 
Meanwhile we will see him in action starting today at the Czech Cycling Tour! |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 11:13
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Croatia14 wrote:
Groenewegen will face some ban. Time for Kooij to lead the sprint team of Jumbo
Meanwhile we will see him in action starting today at the Czech Cycling Tour!
Well if that's true, there goes any possible sympathy anyone might have had for him. Talk about a dick move. Wouldn't be surprised if any potential ban is increased as he has clearly shown a complete lack of remorse/concern for Jacobson.
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 11:20
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I'm reasonably sure he's talking about Kooij, not Groenewegen 
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 11:31
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cunego59 wrote:
I'm reasonably sure he's talking about Kooij, not Groenewegen
 hopefully. His exclamation mark at the end of the sentence threw me  . I did think there was no way Dylan would be racing anywhere.
But then thought he might be trying to race before a ban is imposed.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 06-08-2020 11:59
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Afaik if a rider abandons a race he can not join another race until his abandoned race concludes.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 11:59
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Croatia14 wrote:
You can't judge the action from the result imo. Sure this was a horrible crash, but we've seen worse maneuvers, just with less effect. The DQ is correct, but this wasn't intentionally harmful by Dylan. The crash was very unlucky and the outcome even more so.
Get well soon, Fabio!
I agree that we shouldn't be judging the action from the result. But truth is we kind of have to. Like in driving accidents, it's a difference between only damaging a car and actually inflicting injuries to another person.
And you are right. We've seen worse maneuvers than that in sprints. Gronenewegen didn't push Jakobsen into the barriers like people make it out to be. He did change his line drastically to block Jakobsen from overtaking him. That elbow you see is Groenewegen trying himself to stay on the bike just like Sagan appeared to be elbowing Cavendish in that crash, while he was just trying to maintain his equilibrium.
I think that Groenewegen should be facing some other type of punishment than just disqualification from this race. But claiming he should be banned for life or wanting to press criminal charges is silly.
I think maneuvers should always result in disqualification from the race, to encourage them from happening as they usually just end with a disqualification from the sprint if nothing major happens because of it.
If it doesn't always result in disqualification, you end up basing the punishment on the affected rider's ability and luck to avoid the rider doing the dangerous maneuver instead of the maneuver itself.
Edited by alexkr00 on 06-08-2020 12:09
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 06-08-2020 13:37
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ringo182 wrote:
cunego59 wrote:
I'm reasonably sure he's talking about Kooij, not Groenewegen
hopefully. His exclamation mark at the end of the sentence threw me . I did think there was no way Dylan would be racing anywhere.
But then thought he might be trying to race before a ban is imposed.
Yep, it was Kooij. |
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 14:49
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vlasov wins ventoux challenge Porte 2nd . |
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 06-08-2020 18:40
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Shonak wrote:
Afaik if a rider abandons a race he can not join another race until his abandoned race concludes.
not sure, Küng is going to retire from TdF to race ITT WC
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 18:43
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Lopez where he belongs at Astana, third wheel behind Tejada and Lopez!
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 06-08-2020 18:58
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Croatia14 wrote:
Lopez where he belongs at Astana, third wheel behind Tejada and Lopez!
Literally a Superman, he can even be ahead and behind of himself. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 06-08-2020 19:04
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Yeah yeah shame on me 
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-08-2020 19:24
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df_Trek wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Afaik if a rider abandons a race he can not join another race until his abandoned race concludes.
not sure, Küng is going to retire from TdF to race ITT WC
IIRC explicit permision from the first race organisation is required for this.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 07-08-2020 13:36
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 07-08-2020 14:09
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Good news about Jakobsen.
Meanwhile, in Tour de l'Ain Dumoulin was leading out the most confusing national shirt of all time.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 07-08-2020 14:38
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Groenewegen should get some kind of a ban. That was extremely reckless.
The user formerly known as 'The Schleck Fan'
Gracias Alberto.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 07-08-2020 15:27
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The only precedent that I know of is Theo Bos, who got a 1-month ban after causing a crash with dangerous behaviour. That would be huge for 2020 though, as it's such a short season.
Of course there has been multiple times a rider was DQ'd for irregular sprinting, without them receiving any ban. |
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