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[2019] Rider Renewals
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| roturn |
Posted on 11-09-2019 11:09
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I`d really like to see the following managers hurry up with renewals as we can`t progress any further at the moment with off-season stuff and are stuck. Some might have reasons why they still haven`t been able to do them, but it`s more than 1 month now and also several days since goals/budget could have been done/asked for. So not really a reason neither.
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Roman
cio93
sutty68
trekbmc
st_jonh
All of you have the renewals file in your dropbox by now (except you still haven`t even done stat gain choices yet).
Less than 10% right now letting the rest of the game wait. So please hurry up and finish them as soon as possible. |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 11-09-2019 17:41
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For comparison.
Time between publication of the Renewals thread and of Post-renewals DB:
2019: 29 days and counting
2018: 25-06 to 12-07: 17 days
2017: 17-08 to 5-09: 19 days
2016: 3-06 to 8-06: 5 days
2015: 3-05 to 9-05: 6 days
2014: 5-03 to 12-03: 7 days
It's not reasonable to wait so long when we used to do this in a week, especially when you take into account some managers are repeating offenders. What's happened?
We probably should be starting 2020 renewals by the Tour de France, otherwise 2020 will begin in 2021 at this rate!
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 11-09-2019 18:07
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delaying man-game with no good reason > low budget manager 
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 11-09-2019 18:10
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I'll just quote myself from Skype:
In general I think the game could benefit from harder deadlines. Say you have three weeks for renewals, otherwise everyone is renewed at asking wage plus 10%. If over cap you lose riders to get under starting with the most expensive (as at the end of transfers roughly).]
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-09-2019 21:04
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At this point, it's getting ridiculous. Gustav makes a very good case with those stats. I'd say we should just set a hard deadline, and if you can't meet it, all riders are renewed at their wage demanded.
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| SotD |
Posted on 11-09-2019 21:43
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Indeed. Could seem like a necesity by now.
14 days should EASILY be enough unless it's during a holiday break. And even then most should be able to do it within 14 days.
Some managers always push the limits, and like some say - at this point it's just ridiculous.
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| quadsas |
Posted on 12-09-2019 00:04
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spanking time
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| roturn |
Posted on 12-09-2019 07:24
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It might indeed be good to have other punishments like +10% in following seasons to avoid such issue.
That said, must be careful with those comparisons as in earlier seasons the calendar e.g. was already published before renewals started I guess. This year it was all clashing and even if it had taken 7 days only, the work behind the scenes still wouldn`t have allowed the transfers to start just after renewals as those 2-3 weeks would have been needed for race profiles still.
But surely it still should have been faster than this and in future some deadlines might be needed once race profiles are online and then starting a strict deadline. |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 12-09-2019 09:03
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I see your point roturn, and agree that those numbers aren't a perfect way to compare between seasons. But we can all agree that it is too much.
I'm also a fan of a hard deadline in future seasons. See this as a "this ship has sailed" sort of situation. We can't keep the game (and all the awesome people behind it) on a hold up, because fo delays like these. I recommend creating "Off-season guidelines", to be published at the end of "Japan Cup/Lombardia/whatever" where we stipulate the plan and how much time everyone has to answer each phase of the off-season and the consequences.
With that said I definitely sympathize with guys having a hard time irl and having their reasons for being this late, especially as some of those are/have been instrumental collaborators! Please keep us posted about developments roturn. Half of those managers haven't been online recently which isn't ideal to say the least.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-09-2019 10:40
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It's hard to find a good balance of course, but we're getting really close to getting more than a year behind. So of the people of the website are MG (and even pcmdaily) legends, so it would be a shame to lose them. Nonetheless, I think we should hurry so I suggest some other people do renewals for the people who couldn't find the time. Maybe you can even find a "neutral" person like Shonak to do it?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| viking90 |
Posted on 12-09-2019 14:01
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That hype you feel when renewals thread is online and the off season action start for real (for us not working behind the scenen) is not as big one month later.
I know I´m not the manager who is the most serious when it comes to planning the off seasons stuff with renewals and transfer and my renewals only took about at most 15 minutes.... One month is quite a long time to try to find a little but of space to get this done...
I´m all in for harder deadlines with punishment when not making the time limit whitout very good reasons. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 12-09-2019 19:09
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You're right that it's ridiculous, and I hate it myself that I have to apologize yet again.
I planned to wait for goals, then they dropped during busy times and my birthday, and now I have an existential crisis looking at round 1 all while not feeling great in general.
I'll try to swallow the pill and get on with it soon.
Again, sorry. The PT winner team should lead by example with much better conduct.
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| knockout |
Posted on 12-09-2019 19:22
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Atlantius wrote:
I'll just quote myself from Skype:
In general I think the game could benefit from harder deadlines. Say you have three weeks for renewals, otherwise everyone is renewed at asking wage plus 10%. If over cap you lose riders to get under starting with the most expensive (as at the end of transfers roughly).]
At that point you might as well just disband that team immediately.
Im usually one of those that submit these things late because i like to rethink things multiple times. Id be a fan of harder deadlines or at least indicated times till when we should be finished from the beginning. Most of the time i have no issue with submitting quicker but i dont see why i should finalize the decision while we still wait for others to do theirs and it seemed like provisional submissions that are subject to changes were not liked in the past. Hence im usually submitting close to the end.
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Just wondering: how did you make their renewals file if they can still do their stat gains? Depending on the selected options the OVR could differ quite a bit and that is a big part of the demands formula? |
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| Sykkel_Freak |
Posted on 12-09-2019 19:32
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knockout wrote:
Just wondering: how did you make their renewals file if they can still do their stat gains? Depending on the selected options the OVR could differ quite a bit and that is a big part of the demands formula?
roturn wrote:
All of you have the renewals file in your dropbox by now (except you still haven`t even done stat gain choices yet).
So those who didn't do stat gains haven't gotten their renewals file yet
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-09-2019 19:39
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cio93 wrote:
I planned to wait for goals, then they dropped during busy times and my birthday, and now I have an existential crisis looking at round 1 all while not feeling great in general.
This i can actually understand, especially for a higher level PT team who's renewals are probably going to go over cap. So knowing your budget could be key to knowing who you can manage to renew, and how you can then afford to train Herklotz (we all know this is coming right?  ).
Maybe next season, as well as defining deadlines better, we could see a clearer view of Off Season Order? Eg. What order things will take place in. I know we can assume this (stat gains before renewals, goals before transfers), but as for some managers these things feed each other in a big way we can avoid this hanging around going forwards.
Cio waiting for Goals to get Budget to do Renewals. Knockout waiting for Renewals to get DB to do Goals. It's a circle because we don't know when things will happen...
I do understand how this year, with the game change, the order this off-season is a bit all over the place. But if we go to PCM19 next season, and we did talk about yearly changes again, then getting some outline to clear up the waits would be needed.
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| knockout |
Posted on 12-09-2019 19:50
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Sykkel_Freak wrote:
knockout wrote:
Just wondering: how did you make their renewals file if they can still do their stat gains? Depending on the selected options the OVR could differ quite a bit and that is a big part of the demands formula?
roturn wrote:
All of you have the renewals file in your dropbox by now (except you still haven`t even done stat gain choices yet).
So those who didn't do stat gains haven't gotten their renewals file yet
Stupid me. I should learn to read properly
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-09-2019 19:51
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As a 3 time-in-a-row PT winner with 3-times-in-a-row going over the cap I have to say, that it's just a bad excuse really...
No matter if you would have won or gotten 5th, you knew that it would be impossible to keep the team intact cio - and you have known for more than a year really. Once those big talents start developping you have to kick others out, or sell with risk of the fine being higher than the gain. As a manager who plans several years ahead (both you and I), there's really no excuse to (and now I'm harsh I know) ALWAYS slow things down for everyone else. The exact figures can't be planned ahead, but you can't possibly be surprised by the figures on the renewals sheet. Neither that some will be very expensive, and that it will likely mean goodbye to atleast 1 quality rider.
Last season I had absolutey no way of keeping my team intact unless I let Spilak (my very best rider) go. And even after that I found it difficult, so also had to let Coppel go. That was 1,5mio worth in wage cap (more I think), which allowed me to actually have 20 riders (I had 12 riders after I let those two riders go).
It didn't take my anyway close to a month to sit down for an hour or so to do my renewals despite working 55 hours a week and having a (at the time) 2 year old girl at home.
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-09-2019 20:02
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IMO I think strict deadlines should be used for everything.
1) If you don't nominate and find a Tour de l'Avenir team within 14 days from the thread is posted, your riders won't ride. If you nominate, they still get statgains, but doesn't take part in the actual race.
2) If you don't nominate riders for NC and WC within 14 days from the thread is posted, your riders won't ride.
- People who volunteer to be selector will have to do their selections within 1 week from the PM is sent to them.
3) If you haven't submitted your statgains by the time the final ranking update of your division is posted your riders won't get any. They'll stand at exactly the same level as before the season.
4) If you haven't completed your sponsorname and renewals within 14 days your team will remain the same, your riders will all be renewed with the riders suggested terms, and it will be the managers job to figure out how to pay the fines that may come in the transferperiod. If the manager haven't responded to this atleast 1 week before transfers start the team will disband.
I honestly don't think many people that is actually active in the game will suffer from the above. Especially not as rules like that would keep the forum active, and people would be helpful contacting those that haven't done it.
In general, "list of shame" (which it shouldn't be called with the above implemented) should come 1 week from deadline, and again 3 days before and again 24 hours before. Then everyone knows what the situation is like, and if they are in contact with those missing persons, they have a chance to contact them in orderly fashion, without everyone else having to wait.
And obviously it should always be a possibility to ask for help, if the manager doesn't have the time, health, well-being or whatever to get things done. We don't want to push people into a bad conditional state, but having had stressrelated illness myself I know for a fact, that open-ended "deadlines" is the worst possible thing to cope with. Strict deadlines saying "Do this by then, or don't do it at all" is easily the best way to actually get some sort of order inside your head.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 13-09-2019 07:20
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As a new manager, I'm not going to write about what is happening now, and especially not blame anyone, but I'd like to share my opinion on the "deadline" topic regarding future seasons.
I'm in favor of strict deadlines, too. They should just be announced in advanced, as I may be offline several weeks as well during summer holidays. However, as TheManxMissile pointed out, a clear timeline would be another key point. Defining beforehand what will happen in which order could help to avoid "waiting deadlocks", i.e. if I know Transfer DB won't be out before the goals have been fixed for all teams, I won't even consider waiting for it. I do totally understand the point of waiting for the budget to be communicated before completing renewals; I'd probably do the same if I didn't know for sure this wouldn't happen.
Long story short: I'm in favor of strict deadlines (with consequences of missing them being announced beforehand) and a clear order of things happening during the Off-Season. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 13-09-2019 07:29
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Such time line is supposed to happen for the remaining off season anyway, similar as we had in the past to see the timing of transfers/band selection/race selection/planning etc.
The pre transfer stuff I thought was obvious with the regular stat gain-renewal-goals-budget-transfers order. And due to PCM18 step with more calendar work as usual it was pretty difficult for us to set a deadline this season but I agree with SotD above that some stricter deadlines would come handy in future seasons.
Regarding order of renewals and goals/budgets. Likely next season will see a strict order there with just a minimal clash of 3-4 days. If you want to wait for budget, just be around for those 3-4 days then or you miss the deadline. But right now the budget could have been asked for for several days already and so it apparently isn`t such huge deal if you know it or not as 99% did renewals without knowing their exact budget (as it should be vaguely known anyway) and with wage cap remaining same, the renewals should be clear anyway imo. |
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