Croatia14 wrote:
At this point I'm quite confident that if Hillis, jseadog, df_trek and I cooperate well we got 4 townies that can win the game quite easily, no matter which thoughts the other 2+1 set up. It is very important especially that Hillis doesn't fall for knockouts tricks and re-evaluates his position, as he is a vital member for the town.
Also: df_trek is exactly right
Agreed. One of us is getting lynched the next night though likely.
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hillis wants the end of the day, croatia wants a fast double vote to avoid the terrorist, I already said I will vote on trek because of game-tactical reasons, so here it is: lynch trek_bmc.
I think it's the end of the day.
Just one thing to add from my side (in case hillis and I are both alive tomorrow):
I will follow hillis' vote no matter who he votes for (even if it's me, because in this case the game is over whatsoever). Only hillis should nominate because everybody else is either mafia or may well be mafia, which won't really be distinguishable for hillis, who would have to follow.
Night 4:
The town decided to lynch trekbmc, who had not been attending town meetings and staying in his room all day like a typical teenager. Even god, a.k.a jandal, sent a plague to his house, but unfortunately he had his vaccinations and wasn't affected. He wasn't doing anything suspicious in there though - he was just a very very quiet pro-town citizen.
Dead:
Aquarius97
sammyt93
ryant
Marcovdw
Ian Butler
baseballlover312
trekbmc
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Day 5:
Well the town have speculated that the doctor was dead, but clearly not, as despite gunshots being heard in the town, nobody was picked off by the mafia tonight. Heroic work from the town doctor.
Dead:
Aquarius97
sammyt93
ryant
Marcovdw
Ian Butler
baseballlover312
trekbmc
4 days. Sorry if people don't like the choice to mention that it was a doctor save and not a non-kill by the mafia, it's the way I've played it before (except for the ill-fated time I didn't ) but I'm open to discussion on it after the game is finished for next time.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Already wanted to do it yesterday, but as trek's lynch was pretty obvious I'll do it now (explanation: confirmed townies in green, mafia in red, knockout in blue for I think he is town, even apart from his claim, see my explanation below):
First of all: We didn't play this game well until now as town. Apart from the early Aquarius lynch confirmed townies did lot of the lynch work which was wrongly directed. At least the hillis train (again completely or mostly confirmed townies) gave us hillis to rely on in the late game.
Second: knockouts voting behaviour fits well into being pro-town: Being early on the Aquarius train, the ryant train was pretty obvious and the late votes on ian and trekbmc merely ended the days with the rsult everyone expected and most of us wanted. Plus: I trust knockout to play a full pro-town strategy with following hillis where ever he will go.
Third: As I know my own role in all this, I only look at jseadog, croatia and df_trek. jseadogs voting behaviour looks like a mixture of knockout's and mine, and as I think knockout is pro-town and I know I am, I'll put jseadog pro-town too.
Fourth: There are only two players remaining to be the mafia: croatia and df_trek. And I think that fits perfectly for quite some reasons:
- They voted together every single day from day 2 onwards.
- Every vote they made fitted into mafia-tactics: df_treks late day 1 vote on Aquarius for "clearing" his name, while croatia goes for someone out of danger. They went after knockout on days 2 and 4, when it was obvious someone else will be lynched by the not-so-clever-town without their involvement, thus making us permanently suspect him. They initiated the ian train on day 3, making for another day without real discussion. And they were mostly out of suspicion the entire game (especially df_trek). I know this applies to me as well, but as I know my role (and will link my fate and the one of the town to hillis) I took this into account.
What does all this mean for day 5?
- In any case, don't vote against hillis! He may be wrong with his vote (50/50 or maybe 60/40 from his point of view), but he is the only one we can rely on 100 %. And if anyone else gives the mafia a third vote, they will most probably take their chance and win the game. As stated earlier, I will go exactly with this strategy, even if hillis chooses to vote for me because it won't change the outcoming of the game (town loses) but only speed up the inevitable.
- Feel free to discuss, but don't vote before hillis has voted.
- Keep in mind the terrorist is most likely still there, so we should coordinate the timing of our votes, so he can't kill anyone.
Knockout call is quite a surprise for me, btw I had the doubt rereading his posts...He said he will defend himself on day 5 and that was linkable to a doctor call (I needed to think a lot for understand this). Now if someone else will do another call I tend to trust more knockout because of what I said, good one knock.
Others are Hillis (confirmed townie) Croatia, jseadog, and kandes
I'm still think Croatia is townie, at least 90% sure...So there are not many other people...
Kandes you can't judge just by our votes, what have I to say about you?
You just voted for an absent player and a single vote for on Croatia on day 2...isn't a way to stay out of troubles? You never took a firm decision all game long, avoiding all suspects...everything you are saying is more about you than others.
The fact that we are here at this point I assume is because mafia members acted quite separately, and your name can be approached to everyone here in this kind of gaming
Nice stuff knockout. That gives us 2 confirmed townies to work with! The next night will be essential to the game. But where does that leave us now!? I think I'm going to also wait for hillis and see what he has to say.
Glad I stuck to my guns and never voted out knockout proving to be a crucial move right now.
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Croatia14 wrote:
At this point I'm quite confident that if Hillis, jseadog, df_trek and I cooperate well we got 4 townies that can win the game quite easily, no matter which thoughts the other 2+1 set up. It is very important especially that Hillis doesn't fall for knockouts tricks and re-evaluates his position, as he is a vital member for the town.
Also: df_trek is exactly right
I think from this post alone it's clear that I don't judge just from you're voting behaviour. It's mathematics: hillis is town, I am town (though all of you have to trust me or not, but I calculate with it), I think knockout is town (interpeting your second-to-last post you go in that direction too), which means there are 3 people with 2 mafia spots to fill. Two of them are coordinating...
Regarding my votes:
My day 1 vote against trekbmc was for putting pressure on him to be more active (not as hopeless back then as it turned out to be).
My day 2 vote against croatia was there right from the beginning, again to put pressure on him (as well as on ryant, because I suspected them both and said this loud, clear and frequently).
My day 3 vote against trekbmc (again) was for putting pressure on him (with less hope though), but as I stated back then I wasn't sure about anyone in particular, in no direction, and I don't see any benefit for me (or the town) in voting against someone who will be lynched anyway - except "jumping-on-bandwagon" accusations.
My day 4 vote against trekbmc was no surprise, regarding I voted on him twice before, told you I would vote for him again (if no miracles would happen) and voted for him to end the day without the risks of a terrorist attack.
You could see all this votes as a) hiding by avoiding all suspects or b) trying to achieve some other goals (apart from getting the obvious person lynched), to be honest with not much success.
Nothing I say will convince the mafia (for I think I'm their goal today), but all townies can think about my reasoning and hopefully use it to make their decisions (especially hillis).
jseadog1 wrote:
Nice stuff knockout. That gives us 2 confirmed townies to work with! The next night will be essential to the game. But where does that leave us now!? I think I'm going to also wait for hillis and see what he has to say.
Glad I stuck to my guns and never voted out knockout proving to be a crucial move right now.
Please dont wait and put your opinions in the open
df_Trek wrote:
Knockout call is quite a surprise for me, btw I had the doubt rereading his posts...He said he will defend himself on day 5 and that was linkable to a doctor call (I needed to think a lot for understand this). Now if someone else will do another call I tend to trust more knockout because of what I said, good one knock.
Others are Hillis (confirmed townie) Croatia, jseadog, and kandes
I'm still think Croatia is townie, at least 90% sure...So there are not many other people...
So you are 90 percent sure that kandes and jdog are mafia? Why?
jseadog1 wrote:
Nice stuff knockout. That gives us 2 confirmed townies to work with! The next night will be essential to the game. But where does that leave us now!? I think I'm going to also wait for hillis and see what he has to say.
Glad I stuck to my guns and never voted out knockout proving to be a crucial move right now.
Please dont wait and put your opinions in the open
Alright then. So let me subtract you, myself, and hillis.
That leaves 3 players remaining. Kandes is doing an awful lot to convince us of being townie and his vote breakdown is certainly an eye opener that appears to be somewhat convincing at this point. But that's just what the mafia would want, and he's pushing oddly harder than anyone else.
Df_trek has been hard to read for a majority of the game as it appears he had been playing a follow the leader type of game and doing his fair share of work but mostly backing up other people's ideas to convince them.
Croatia was one of my targets on Day 1. If you go back and look I expressed that he was someone who I was worried about but at the same time he ended up clearing me a few days later which admittedly took my attention off of him. I need to go back and get another look.
So I guess if I was stuck picking 2 right now it would be kandes and Croatia.
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df_Trek wrote:
Knockout call is quite a surprise for me, btw I had the doubt rereading his posts...He said he will defend himself on day 5 and that was linkable to a doctor call (I needed to think a lot for understand this). Now if someone else will do another call I tend to trust more knockout because of what I said, good one knock.
Others are Hillis (confirmed townie) Croatia, jseadog, and kandes
I'm still think Croatia is townie, at least 90% sure...So there are not many other people...
So you are 90 percent sure that kandes and jdog are mafia? Why?
You are quoting the answer, I have atp 3 confirmed townies + Croatia that imo has more townie behaviour than actually confirmed ones, so I can't be sure 100% but strong feelings he is, there are two remaining and two mafia members still alive...If your question is to be more argued on this two, about kandes I just made a post few hours ago, on jseadog what I can say is that e was quiet all the time, like kandes in this part but much more active during the days (That's was why yesterday I pointed him as more likely your mafia partner than jsd). Frequently supported your statements, but on this doesn't say much if more townie or mafia in beginning part of the game, but for him being mafia and knowing you are not that's a good point for him.
df_Trek wrote:
If your question is to be more argued on this two, about kandes I just made a post few hours ago, on jseadog what I can say is that e was quiet all the time, like kandes in this part but much more active during the days (That's was why yesterday I pointed him as more likely your mafia partner than jsd). Frequently supported your statements, but on this doesn't say much if more townie or mafia in beginning part of the game, but for him being mafia and knowing you are not that's a good point for him.
Maybe my english is not as good as I thought, but could you please reformulate this part of your post, because I honestly don't understand what you mean.
All the italic part is referred to jseadog, that as being quiet and not taking sides was a behaviour similar at you. But he was quite active during the days more than you. I felt like town being out of the way was a good excuse for mafia to stay silent if not needed and for some sporadic meaningless post.
Then I'm saying that if you don't know his passport, him trusting so strongly knockout is not a townie/mafia mark, but if he knows knockout is pro town, be linked to him can be a good point if we figure out that...hope now is more understandable
Okey. First of, thank you knockout for the save! I was hoping that the doctor was still here, and was also the sole reason for me dropping the hint in my post (#312)! At the same time, it confirms my read on you. You just had that pro-town vibe.
At this point, we need to air everything out. Theirfor, i would really love it, if everybody gave this to the town:
First of all, thanks df_trek for the explanation, I couldn't really figure when you were referring to whom.
Nr. 1 Suspect: More a pair than one suspect: df_trek and croatia.
Why: As explained earlier there are only three people remaining for the two mafia players (at least with my knowledge): jseadog, croatia and df_trek. The latter are clearly cooperating (throughout the game as well as today), which makes them both highly suspicious as a pair, especially because at least one of them must be mafia for sure (again: with my knowledge). I really can't decide who is more suspicious, df_trek for flying under the radar nearly the whole game or croatia for his actions in day 2. I also don't want to decide this matter, because the terrorist is most probably still alive and the whole matter is not only about who is more suspicious but also about who is more likely the terrorist who should not be killed at nearly any cost.
Number 1: Croatia14
Why: he was acting suspicious towards me early in the game but immediately confirmed me and many others as towns people that ended up being towns people. Almost as if he knows for sure who was town. I'll go more in depth when I'm at my PC but if I'm being honest Croatia played a good game if he's mafia and I hope he doesn't hold a bomb right now because taking out knockout spells deep trouble. Croatia I would like see you explain why you read people the way you did during the game.
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) but I'm open to discussion on it after the game is finished for next time.
