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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-05-2018 08:11
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Forever the Best wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
I was starting to look one day raiders..miracle raiders. Who had turned at some point as amazing GT stars..like Lance and Froome.
Can you name another one?
At history the best ones have been best at young age. Hinault, Merckx, Contador, Fignon, Coppi, Anquentil etc. Bjarne Riis, Santi Perez, Bernhard Kohl. Incidentally, all of them were either caught or admitted to doping. 
Err... Floyd Landis anyone? Probably the most famouse miracle raider of all time!
Also Charly Gaul or almost anyone who rode pre-1990
Floyd was good..really good at young age.
He had massive VO2 numbers...way better then Lance, little less then Lemond. Same with Hamilton, amazing potential.
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| titleist82 |
Posted on 18-05-2018 09:00
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Guido Mukk wrote:
I was starting to look one day raiders..miracle raiders. Who had turned at some point as amazing GT stars..like Lance and Froome.
Can you name another one?
At history the best ones have been best at young age. Hinault, Merckx, Contador, Fignon, Coppi, Anquentil etc.
"El Bufalo" José Enrique Gutiérrez.
Nothing => 2nd at 2006 Giro => Operacion Puerto => Nothing
Quite self-explanatory career  |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 18-05-2018 09:06
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titleist82 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
I was starting to look one day raiders..miracle raiders. Who had turned at some point as amazing GT stars..like Lance and Froome.
Can you name another one?
At history the best ones have been best at young age. Hinault, Merckx, Contador, Fignon, Coppi, Anquentil etc.
"El Bufalo" José Enrique Gutiérrez.
Nothing => 2nd at 2006 Giro => Operacion Puerto => Nothing
Quite self-explanatory career
Great find. He was almost climbing with Simoni day after day with 1.88 m and 78 kg.
The user formerly known as 'The Schleck Fan'
Gracias Alberto.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-05-2018 09:25
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Berzin-Ferrari ..lot of dope and wasted money and talent for ladys
Chris Horner- After magic Vuelta no team did not wanted to deal with guy again
Juan Jose Cobo - was flying at 2011 Vuelta |
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| roturn |
Posted on 18-05-2018 09:27
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It is highly arguable (and actually I have some trust in them) but there are some riders showing up, that weren`t even cyclists 2-3 years ago.  |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 18-05-2018 09:35
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roturn wrote:
It is highly arguable (and actually I have some trust in them) but there are some riders showing up, that weren`t even cyclists 2-3 years ago.
Guess you mean Cink and Roglic? Can't wait for Croatia's reaction 
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| roturn |
Posted on 18-05-2018 09:49
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Actually I meant Roglic and Woods.
(Though as said, not saying they are doping and actually have some trust in them)
But they are examples of having big success without the palmares in the juniors for obvious reasons here. |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 18-05-2018 10:02
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Roglic came from another sport too, so a different situation, while Woods I remember reading about in Phil Gaimon's book which lends credence to him I guess.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-05-2018 11:29
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jandal7 wrote:
roturn wrote:
It is highly arguable (and actually I have some trust in them) but there are some riders showing up, that weren`t even cyclists 2-3 years ago.
Guess you mean Cink and Roglic? Can't wait for Croatia's reaction
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 18-05-2018 14:33
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Woods was a runner before, so he also came from another sport
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| Shonak |
Posted on 18-05-2018 15:16
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I find neither Roglic nor Woods are particularly striking although Roglic's progress is a bit suspicious. The odd thing is that they started out late but then again cycling is an easy sport to get the hang of tbh. If you have an endurance background like Woods and Roglic this benefits too, especially since their body types are already perfect for cycling with strong legs and low upper body weight. At the top level, the utility of cycling training is rather limited anyway, when we think about the fact that pros use the actual racing to get the best shape. The regular training is mostly there to maintain the shape throughout the year, which we all know many cyclists have failed at in the past. The hard thing is to maintain it for years in, and that's where Woods and Roglic may have an advantage since their bodies isn't so used up yet as they get older. I dare say they even have a mental advantage since they do this as a second chance sort of where they are more determined to make the most out of it given how they 'lost' some years to other competitors. To me, it seems reasonable that they make good progress given they're close to peak age.
Naesen started afaik out pretty late. The guy used be a cycling courier of some sorts and just did local amateur races, and it turned out he was pretty good. So he decided to focus all his energy on it, continued his job, until he got a contract. Pretty awesome lad.
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| redordead |
Posted on 18-05-2018 18:34
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Roglic has always done sports and also tested with high scores before he started riding pro. He is still very young in terms of cycling and is improving steady like most talented young riders do.
He was also junior world champion ski jumper so he was always a high level athlete. Anyone accusing him of cheating is being very disrespectful! |
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 18-05-2018 19:13
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redordead wrote:
Roglic has always done sports and also tested with high scores before he started riding pro. He is still very young in terms of cycling and is improving steady like most talented young riders do.
He was also junior world champion ski jumper so he was always a high level athlete. Anyone accusing him of cheating is being very disrespectful!
Nobody accused him. It was merely discussed wether his development process raises questions about his "cleanness". Sadly in this sport nobody is above suspicion and it is not disrespectful to question someone.
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| redordead |
Posted on 18-05-2018 19:40
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StevenGreen wrote:
redordead wrote:
Roglic has always done sports and also tested with high scores before he started riding pro. He is still very young in terms of cycling and is improving steady like most talented young riders do.
He was also junior world champion ski jumper so he was always a high level athlete. Anyone accusing him of cheating is being very disrespectful!
Nobody accused him. It was merely discussed wether his development process raises questions about his "cleanness". Sadly in this sport nobody is above suspicion and it is not disrespectful to question someone.
Implying someone is cheating is in my opinion disrespectful to the person who is working hard to be successful. Nobody knows who is currently doping in the pro peloton. If every success is questioned (and that's a lot) then what is the point.
I prefer to enjoy the sport as it is and reserve dragging riders names through the mud for when it is actually proven they have done something wrong. I do not see anything different with Roglic as with any other young rider having a good/breakout year. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-05-2018 19:45
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redordead wrote:
Implying someone is cheating is in my opinion disrespectful to the person who is working hard to be successful. Nobody knows who is currently doping in the pro peloton. If every success is questioned (and that's a lot) then what is the point.
You are in the worst thread on the entire site then 
This is the Sky Doping/Hate Thread, a specific place for speculation and questioning...
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 18-05-2018 19:48
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This is Sky Doping/Hate Thread
I demand strictly SKY hate and doping accusation.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-05-2018 20:37
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My thread, my rules I'll make it Roglic if i want!
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 18-05-2018 21:05
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SKY hate, is just so much more fun than LottoNL-Jumbo hate
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 18-05-2018 22:00
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roturn wrote:
It is highly arguable (and actually I have some trust in them) but there are some riders showing up, that weren`t even cyclists 2-3 years ago.
Well, you should think of their amazing physical abilities they brought in before starting professional cycling. And 2-3 years is bullshit anyway.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 19-05-2018 11:09
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The Force is strong in Team Sky...
Wiggins had it...
Froome have it...
Bernal have that power too...
Edited by Arberg on 19-05-2018 11:17
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