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PCM.daily Stats Discussion
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 09-04-2018 21:59
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I agree with most of that, but I can't really see a gap between riders like Vanmarcke and GVA, and WVA. He was in the lead group in Omloop, Ronde and Wevelgem and would've fought for the podium in Roubaix as well if not for the mechanical. He wasn't sitting in the back either, was always taking turns (more than some others  ).
I'm guessing that your'advocating 79 cobble for Van Aert?
I do think that 76-77 flat 78 cobble would work for him
I agree Tafiolmo |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 09-04-2018 22:07
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Ollfardh wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I agree with most of that, but I can't really see a gap between riders like Vanmarcke and GVA, and WVA. He was in the lead group in Omloop, Ronde and Wevelgem and would've fought for the podium in Roubaix as well if not for the mechanical. He wasn't sitting in the back either, was always taking turns (more than some others ).
I'm guessing that your'advocating 79 cobble for Van Aert?
Well, I found him the equal of GVA and Vanmarcke in any race, so I dare say even 80 cobble. Lower flat and stamina though.
But ok, based on their history, GVA and Vanmarcke deserve more, so I can agree with 79 COB for Van Aert.
On the one hand he was there with those riders but he doesn't have the history of some of the other riders which is why I'm reluctant to give him 79 cobble. Other riders like Valgren, Pedersen and Dillier have nowhere near 79 cobble and actually finished higher in certain key races. Yes Dillier was like another Hayman example. Van Aert was a consistent performer and to get nearer 79 and 80 I think needs another season and he will also have some of these races in his fav race list
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| purepasd |
Posted on 09-04-2018 22:12
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I agree that Terpstra, in virtue of his resistance, was a notch better than the rest, which were quite equal for the most of the springs campaign. This group includes GVA, Sagan, Vanmarcke, Stybar, Van Aert, Gilbert, Benoot and for the most part also Stuyven, Lampaert, Trentin and Naesen. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 10-04-2018 08:42
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purepasd wrote:
I agree that Terpstra, in virtue of his resistance, was a notch better than the rest, which were quite equal for the most of the springs campaign. This group includes GVA, Sagan, Vanmarcke, Stybar, Van Aert, Gilbert, Benoot and for the most part also Stuyven, Lampaert, Trentin and Naesen.
I think you're making that group too big. GVA, Sagan, Vanmarcke, Van Aert and maybe Stuyven is it for me. Gilbert was there but benefitted from Terpstra mostly, and was nowhere in Roubaix. Benoot maybe, but it's always hard to judge when you skip Roubaix and Wevelgem. Stybar, Trentin, Lampaert and Naesen simply weren't as consistently good as the others.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 10-04-2018 08:55
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I agree with most of that, but I can't really see a gap between riders like Vanmarcke and GVA, and WVA. He was in the lead group in Omloop, Ronde and Wevelgem and would've fought for the podium in Roubaix as well if not for the mechanical. He wasn't sitting in the back either, was always taking turns (more than some others ).
I'm guessing that your'advocating 79 cobble for Van Aert?
Well, I found him the equal of GVA and Vanmarcke in any race, so I dare say even 80 cobble. Lower flat and stamina though.
But ok, based on their history, GVA and Vanmarcke deserve more, so I can agree with 79 COB for Van Aert.
On the one hand he was there with those riders but he doesn't have the history of some of the other riders which is why I'm reluctant to give him 79 cobble. Other riders like Valgren, Pedersen and Dillier have nowhere near 79 cobble and actually finished higher in certain key races. Yes Dillier was like another Hayman example. Van Aert was a consistent performer and to get nearer 79 and 80 I think needs another season and he will also have some of these races in his fav race list
Valgren just had two well timed attacks in Ronde and Omloop, but missed the cut in E3 and Wevelgem. Didn't ride Roubaix either. Definitely deserves an upgrade, but not like Van Aert.
Pedersen had a +5 day in Ronde and is obviously a huge talent, but look at his other results. Omloop 92th, Kuurne 81th, Roubaix 71th. DNF in both E3 and Wevelgem. Ok, also a 5th in Dwars Door Vlaanderen, but I read he was mostly wheelsucking there (didn't watch that race unfortunately). Van Aert was always riding hard when he was in the lead group.
Dillier was a Hayman as you said. Van Aert was there every race. I think you're underestimating his ability to ride with the best in every race he started this year, Omloop, Strade, Wevelgem, Ronde, Roubaix, he was always there, equal to riders like GVA and Vanmarcke.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| purepasd |
Posted on 10-04-2018 08:58
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Benoot was among the best on the hardest parts of every race he rode. Can agree a bit on Gilbert, but Stybar wasn't dropped in any race flemish race as far as i recall. You're probably correct that i made the group too big, but i wanted to stress that the field of cobblers is closer than in many years, with no one really standing much out.
Agree on WVA btw, definetely one of the strongest throughout all the cobbles campaign. Should be rated 79 in cobbles imo, and with a weak sprint and decent backup stats it should be good, no? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 10-04-2018 09:07
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purepasd wrote:
Benoot was among the best on the hardest parts of every race he rode. Can agree a bit on Gilbert, but Stybar wasn't dropped in any race flemish race as far as i recall. You're probably correct that i made the group too big, but i wanted to stress that the field of cobblers is closer than in many years, with no one really standing much out.
Agree on WVA btw, definetely one of the strongest throughout all the cobbles campaign. Should be rated 79 in cobbles imo, and with a weak sprint and decent backup stats it should be good, no?
You're right about Stybar, he actually finished very consistent, I just didn't notice him that much I guess. And yeah, as I said, Benoot is hard to judge as he skipped two big races. He was really strong in Ronde though.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| jeremyrobin |
Posted on 13-04-2018 13:28
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When will you add the missing runners in the teams that are not in the database (for example Jaime Castrillo at movistar)? |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 13-04-2018 21:45
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jeremyrobin wrote:
When will you add the missing runners in the teams that are not in the database (for example Jaime Castrillo at movistar)?
All the missing 23 riders of the WT and PCT teams are now in the process of being added.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 14-04-2018 14:42
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81 COB: Tersptra, GVA, Sagan
80: Gilbert, Stybar, Vanmarcke
79: Stuyven, Benoot, van Aert, Naesen
For me it's this Sagan vs GVA vs Quick-Step. It's about the form of the day and tactics. Not like in old days where it was all vs Cancellara. |
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| Vincenzo Nibali |
Posted on 14-04-2018 20:17
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Can anyone please tell me how I automatically stop stats updates? Now it has changed the badly given state for the third time and takes several hours that small ones adjust them |
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| GER_Power |
Posted on 16-04-2018 14:32
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Where is PCM Daily Version for 2018?How long it need guys... |
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| jeremyrobin |
Posted on 16-04-2018 17:04
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Ivan Sosa continues to surprise on the Tour des Alpes, he is well below his teammate Masnada also in scoring. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 18-04-2018 22:10
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jeremyrobin wrote:
Ivan Sosa continues to surprise on the Tour des Alpes, he is well below his teammate Masnada also in scoring.
Thinking of giving him something like 76 mtn 75 hill at the moment (I know he's ridden better than that) BUT have decided to wait until the Giro (which I expect he'll ride)
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| rfsm89 |
Posted on 18-04-2018 22:18
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Tafiolmo wrote:
jeremyrobin wrote:
Ivan Sosa continues to surprise on the Tour des Alpes, he is well below his teammate Masnada also in scoring.
Thinking of giving him something like 76 mtn 75 hill at the moment (I know he's ridden better than that) BUT have decided to wait until the Giro (which I expect he'll ride)
Savio already said he won't. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 18-04-2018 22:20
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rfsm89 wrote:
Tafiolmo wrote:
jeremyrobin wrote:
Ivan Sosa continues to surprise on the Tour des Alpes, he is well below his teammate Masnada also in scoring.
Thinking of giving him something like 76 mtn 75 hill at the moment (I know he's ridden better than that) BUT have decided to wait until the Giro (which I expect he'll ride)
Savio already said he won't.
That's that then, so will probably give him a high climbing stat like above with low backups. Probably would've still been race leader if not for the crash
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 19-04-2018 20:07
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I think Pozzovivo deserves a good upgrade in Downhill, and Ciccone in Mountain |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 19-04-2018 21:01
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marcoplv95 wrote:
I think Pozzovivo deserves a good upgrade in Downhill, and Ciccone in Mountain
Agree about Pozzovivo and have upgraded him to 76. Also I put Ciccone on 75 mtn a few days ago.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 20-04-2018 09:44
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Can i ask you one thing...
How can i avoid lags when opening the html with updated stats? If i scroll it lags like hell!
I mean, there's something to do or just my PC sucks? |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 20-04-2018 10:03
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Some that might easily go unnoticed: Steff Cras (Katusha) got a 29th place in La Flèche Wallonne. To me that warrants more than the 69HI he currently has. Maybe 72HI would be better for him
Brendan Rhim (Holowesko) could get a slight PRL boost after his result in the Joe Martin SR. I know the TT was mountaineous but it's not entirely uphill I found out
Jérémy Cabot (Roubaix-Lille) is currently at 60COB. After a 17th place in Tro-Bro Léon he could prolly use a boost
Damien Touze (Auber) could really use a boost in SPR after a 4th place in Loire Atlantique (3rd in the sprint even). 64COB also seems slightly too low for someone who came 8th in Tro-Bro Léon last year.
Benoit Cosnefroy (AG2R) could use a sprint boost for sprinting to 10th in Cholet-Pays de la Loire
Yecid Arturo Sierra (Manzana) could use a boost in climbing stats for coming 8th in the Langkawi mountain stage (lost his GC due to a time loss in the final flat stage) and a 15th place in the Klasika Primavera
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