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| df_Trek |
Posted on 03-01-2018 17:36
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ringo182 wrote:
Maybe they don't care about the Spanish Champion either 
At the end of the day Movistar are not cycling fans. They are a company using cycling as a vehicle to promote themselves. They probably don't see the national jersey as important in comparison to the main objective of getting their brand seen.
Not saying it's right. It's just business unfortunately.
sad truth 
something should change
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-01-2018 17:50
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The pyramid!! It's so strong!! (please don't quote everything guys, just the bit you're actually replying to. soooo much easier for everyone)
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 03-01-2018 19:31
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As much as I like and root for Movistar, their national jerseys are simply abominations and it really bothers me, for one... I really hope they clean it up in 2018 with the new blue look, because yes, they are winning the Spanish NCs again. |
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| aldrofj |
Posted on 04-01-2018 13:23
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https://www.procy...Focus-2018
There is a new italian team in CT, MsTina - Focus, focused on italian and romanian riders with Berlato, de Negri, Marini, Stacchiotti and Zurlo. It could help some romanian talents to develop.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-01-2018 13:00
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ringo182 wrote:
[quote][url=https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?
Maybe they don't care about the Spanish Champion either
At the end of the day Movistar are not cycling fans. They are a company using cycling as a vehicle to promote themselves. They probably don't see the national jersey as important in comparison to the main objective of getting their brand seen.
Not saying it's right. It's just business unfortunately.
Movistar not cycling fans..? Really. Sponsoring cycling team just for business..never happens.
True..it can make miracle with your market value, and at spain cycling is really popular.
But like most of the time 2-3 years is enough. Movistar has been cycling fans, or someone at board or PR division is. This is the way usually things works. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 05-01-2018 13:26
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Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
[quote][url=https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?
Maybe they don't care about the Spanish Champion either
At the end of the day Movistar are not cycling fans. They are a company using cycling as a vehicle to promote themselves. They probably don't see the national jersey as important in comparison to the main objective of getting their brand seen.
Not saying it's right. It's just business unfortunately.
Movistar not cycling fans..? Really. Sponsoring cycling team just for business..never happens.
True..it can make miracle with your market value, and at spain cycling is really popular.
But like most of the time 2-3 years is enough. Movistar has been cycling fans, or someone at board or PR division is. This is the way usually things works.
Cycling is a popular sport in Spain and Movistar want to advertise their brand in Spain. It's as simple as that.
From what I understand, Movistar are a fairly major company in Spain and the Hispanic World. I doubt very much they would take on a major sponsorship deal because "someone in the marketing department likes cycling". They will be doing it for the business benefits. As soon as those benefits don't justify the amount they are paying to sponsor the team they will pull out, like most sponsors do at some point.
Do Movistar do anything in Spain to promote Cycling?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 05-01-2018 14:42
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ringo182 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
[quote][url=https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?
Maybe they don't care about the Spanish Champion either
At the end of the day Movistar are not cycling fans. They are a company using cycling as a vehicle to promote themselves. They probably don't see the national jersey as important in comparison to the main objective of getting their brand seen.
Not saying it's right. It's just business unfortunately.
Movistar not cycling fans..? Really. Sponsoring cycling team just for business..never happens.
True..it can make miracle with your market value, and at spain cycling is really popular.
But like most of the time 2-3 years is enough. Movistar has been cycling fans, or someone at board or PR division is. This is the way usually things works.
Cycling is a popular sport in Spain and Movistar want to advertise their brand in Spain. It's as simple as that.
From what I understand, Movistar are a fairly major company in Spain and the Hispanic World. I doubt very much they would take on a major sponsorship deal because "someone in the marketing department likes cycling". They will be doing it for the business benefits. As soon as those benefits don't justify the amount they are paying to sponsor the team they will pull out, like most sponsors do at some point.
Do Movistar do anything in Spain to promote Cycling?
Giving millions and millions. Sponsoring several events. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 05-01-2018 14:57
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*Earning millions and millions, emblazoning their name and brand across several events.
I agree that at a lower level there are instances of "fans" sponsoring teams. But at the pro tour level the sole purpose of the sponsors is to advertise their brand. They wouldn't pay millions of pounds to basically fund a cycling team if there wasn't any financial/business reward.
I think we're getting slightly off the topic of horrible national championship jerseys anyway
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| Shonak |
Posted on 05-01-2018 15:07
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Movistar surely will have some interest in cycling, meaning some high executive prefers it over football etc. At the moment they are the only spanish pro tour team with the only two spanish pro tour stars. Actually their continued investment is (as far as I know) largely linked to South America and Nairo Quintana's presence on the team. They want to expand their market presence there and gain share, so a poster boy like Quintana who is a symbol for south american rise in sports is most welcome. I suppose a cycling team with its 20 mio budget is a sound investment for them. It's definitely better than to be just a brand on a football club shirt.
Similar situation is with many other cycling projects. IAM, BMC, even Sky is a result of a high-exec having a passion for cycling. In all instances however the projects needs to have a high sponsor value and eventually bring an economic benefit to the company. Same can be said about teams suc has Astana and Katusha that were born out of passion for cycling and/or some megalomania. Both teams are not necessarily going to exist in say 2-3 years, I recall there was already some discussion back in the day. Hm, come to think of it, not even a legitimate maniac but at least cycling enthusiast such as Tinkov, who by all means is a crazy dude but also crazy rich dude, saw his investment into the sport merely in a sporitive sense but was always rambling about sponsor value etc.
Just my two cents to the topic.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 05-01-2018 16:24
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Shonak wrote:
I suppose a cycling team with its 20 mio budget is a sound investment for them. It's definitely better than to be just a brand on a football club shirt.
But owning the exclusive broadcasting rights to La Liga, Formula 1, MotoGP and bunch of other tournaments for Spain (and other countries) is a lot of better deal than investing in cycling alone.
Make no mistake, in every sport where commercial branding is prevailing you will always see the corporate colors than the colors of the British, Italian or hell even the Greek champions. There is no other sport that uses this system for national championships. Sure, in wintersports (FIS, IBU and FIL to name a few) implement a similar system where the bib is in different color (yellow or red mainly), but they are to designate the current World Cup (or Discipline World Cup) leader, World Champion, Olympic Champion or Tournament leader (Tour de Ski, Four Hills, Raw Air etc.) and DON'T HAVE bibs for national champions (although seeing someone like Kamil Stoch or Johannes Boe wearing custom NC bib during competition could actually be interesting)
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 05-01-2018 16:35
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but this is cycling, and in cycling history NC wore his flag, a loto of things there are in cycling are different from other sports, and that's right to be like this
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 05-01-2018 17:30
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df_Trek wrote:
but this is cycling, and in cycling history NC wore his flag, a loto of things there are in cycling are different from other sports, and that's right to be like this
So you want to have national teams only. Ok.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 05-01-2018 17:42
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this is so different from what i said
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-01-2018 10:47
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broken rib for Trentin after a crash during training
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-01-2018 11:09
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Can't believe no-ones commented on the TDF Wildcard announcement!
Wanty, Cofidis, Direct Enegie and Fortuneo. Three french teams plus the top PCT team. No spot for Vital with Coquard.
But we do get Guillaume Martin with Wanty, Vendee based Direct, Barguil with Breton Fortuneo and Bouhanni with Cofidis.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-01-2018 11:16
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Can't believe no-ones commented on the TDF Wildcard announcement!
Wanty, Cofidis, Direct Enegie and Fortuneo. Three french teams plus the top PCT team. No spot for Vital with Coquard.
But we do get Guillaume Martin with Wanty, Vendee based Direct, Barguil with Breton Fortuneo and Bouhanni with Cofidis.
honestly I'm not surprised by the choice...
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-01-2018 11:28
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That was clear for weeks now anyway wasn't it? Vital Concept will bite their asses...
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 09-01-2018 11:40
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Why Vital Concept expect wildcard to be handed to them just because they're French team?
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| aldrofj |
Posted on 09-01-2018 12:08
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ivaneurope wrote:
Why Vital Concept expect wildcard to be handed to them just because they're French team?
Because it was the case when Sojasun and especially Bretagne rode their first TDF. Since 2014, they seem to fucus more on the best PCT teams, like Wanty or Bora until 2016. When Bouygues, Cofidis and FDJ left the WT, it was very difficult to get a wildcard as a non-french team, only super-squads like BMC or Cervelo got it.
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 09-01-2018 12:16
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Coquard is not happy. |
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