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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 23-10-2017 10:16
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And again the topic of motorbikes - in UCI all they can do is talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Incidents with motorbikes during races have become too frequent, UCI doesn't give two s**ts about it
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-10-2017 13:07
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ivaneurope wrote:
And again the topic of motorbikes - in UCI all they can do is talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Incidents with motorbikes during races have become too frequent, UCI doesn't give two s**ts about it
In defence of the UCI they have put out much tighter guidelines on vehicles associated with road races. If you bother to read the information they put out it's very clearly illustrated alongside good explanation.
Unfortunately the UCI don't run the races and have almost no jurisdiction in the matter. They can tell the race organisers, RCS/ASO/etc, how they should be running the events, but it is upto those organisers to ensure the motos and cars adhere to those rules.
The exception being UCI run events, i.e. the Worlds, where they have direct control of the race organization.
Unless the UCI is the one organizing the actual race, there is not much more they can do. The next step for them really is to threaten the race organisers with financial penalty or dropping their race classification. But that'd be one hell of a fight.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-10-2017 13:12
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TheManxMissile wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
And again the topic of motorbikes - in UCI all they can do is talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Incidents with motorbikes during races have become too frequent, UCI doesn't give two s**ts about it
In defence of the UCI they have put out much tighter guidelines on vehicles associated with road races. If you bother to read the information they put out it's very clearly illustrated alongside good explanation.
Unfortunately the UCI don't run the races and have almost no jurisdiction in the matter. They can tell the race organisers, RCS/ASO/etc, how they should be running the events, but it is upto those organisers to ensure the motos and cars adhere to those rules.
The exception being UCI run events, i.e. the Worlds, where they have direct control of the race organization.
Unless the UCI is the one organizing the actual race, there is not much more they can do. The next step for them really is to threaten the race organisers with financial penalty or dropping their race classification. But that'd be one hell of a fight.
In addition to that, guidelines won't have much impact if the moto/car drivers are a) inexperienced with their vehicle and/or b) not used to cyclist movements. Unfortunately both happen too often.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 23-10-2017 14:04
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When are they bringing in drone cam? That's the way to go  They could roll the job of the motorbike, helicopter and static cameras into one.
I suppose weather conditions might make that a few years off being implementable on a grand scale.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-10-2017 14:13
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ringo182 wrote:
When are they bringing in drone cam? That's the way to go They could roll the job of the motorbike, helicopter and static cameras into one.
I suppose weather conditions might make that a few years off being implementable on a grand scale.
I don't think that this is the problem, those crews usualy know what to do. It's mostly other inexperienced people causing the problems. A policeman not knowing how a peloton works, a sponsor car driven by a normal employee, local newspaper/radio moto etc.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 23-10-2017 20:29
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lappa...ign=buffer
It has been only a month from his election and this ASO puppet changes the subject. I knew it - UCI don't give a rats a** about the cyclists' safety
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 24-10-2017 07:14
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To be fair I agree that no race radios is a good thing. The safety issue would be a mute point if the races were marshalled correctly. Proper marshalling and safe routes in the first place would negate the need.
They should allow radio communication between the team director and the road captain only. That would be one compromise.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 25-10-2017 11:31
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Bob Jungels is going to give Le Tour a first try next year.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 30-10-2017 11:57
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Nairo and Landa already seem to be at loggerheads!
Mikel Landa: ‘I’d have preferred a different welcome from Quintana’ | https://trib.al/x5MuCA8
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 30-10-2017 12:22
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ringo182 wrote:
To be fair I agree that no race radios is a good thing. The safety issue would be a mute point if the races were marshalled correctly. Proper marshalling and safe routes in the first place would negate the need.
They should allow radio communication between the team director and the road captain only. That would be one compromise.
Better yet, only allow race radio and no other channels, race radio can report safety concerns, crashes, etc. and if riders want to talk to their DS they have to go back to the car.
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 30-10-2017 12:27
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trekbmc wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
To be fair I agree that no race radios is a good thing. The safety issue would be a mute point if the races were marshalled correctly. Proper marshalling and safe routes in the first place would negate the need.
They should allow radio communication between the team director and the road captain only. That would be one compromise.
Better yet, only allow race radio and no other channels, race radio can report safety concerns, crashes, etc. and if riders want to talk to their DS they have to go back to the car.
Or better yet no race radio at all.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 30-10-2017 12:31
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ivaneurope wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
To be fair I agree that no race radios is a good thing. The safety issue would be a mute point if the races were marshalled correctly. Proper marshalling and safe routes in the first place would negate the need.
They should allow radio communication between the team director and the road captain only. That would be one compromise.
Better yet, only allow race radio and no other channels, race radio can report safety concerns, crashes, etc. and if riders want to talk to their DS they have to go back to the car.
Or better yet no race radio at all.
Can you elaborate on why you think it would be better?
A race radio with only essential safety information wouldn't really harm the racing in any way as it's only safety information, all it would do would maximise rider safety and maybe help in such cases where the organisers need to spread information to all the riders.
"What done is, is one." - Benji Naesen
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 30-10-2017 13:06
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But in this way if race radio announces the hazzards throughout the entire stage/race the riders would be way too cautious, won't bother taking any risks like attacking in the rain and nothing would change IMO - the same predictable stuff we see now.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 30-10-2017 13:13
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ivaneurope wrote:
But in this way if race radio announces the hazzards throughout the entire stage/race the riders would be way too cautious, won't bother taking any risks like attacking in the rain and nothing would change IMO - the same predictable stuff we see now.
I don't mean the regular hazards of the road, I mean stuff like an ambulance being parked around a blind corner on a descent because of a crash, it's not every single minor hazard would be reported but (I assume) they don't report every single minor hazard now either.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 30-10-2017 14:28
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Meanwhile An Post - Chain Reaction may not be present in 2018. Sean Kelly is looking to find fundings to ge the team back in 2019
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/time-...n-reaction
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 30-10-2017 14:28
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Meanwhile An Post - Chain Reaction may not be present in 2018. Sean Kelly is looking to find fundings to ge the team back in 2019
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/time-...n-reaction
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