There is an addition of a Countries worksheet, thanks to Roman. As well as describing which countries each three letter code belongs to, it provides the PCM.daily flag code too.
And here is the list of training for the season:
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Team
First Name
Surname
Skill
Old Stat
New Stat
Cost
Aegon - Lavazza
Sean
De Bie
Hill
81
82
1,700,000
Aegon - Lavazza
Daan
Olivier
Hill
75
76
600,000
Aeropostal Venezuela Ciclismo
Chiaffredo
Grippo
Hill
76
77
700,000
Aeropostal Venezuela Ciclismo
Raúl
Granjel Cabrera
Hill
68
69
600,000
Aker - MOT
Matteo
Trentin
Cobbles
79
80
1,200,000
Aker - MOT
Matteo
Trentin
Cobbles
80
81
1,400,000
Ayubowan!
Adrien
Petit
Sprint
79
80
1,200,000
Ayubowan!
Tony
Gallopin
TT
74
75
500,000
Ayubowan!
Jay
McCarthy
Sprint
63
64
100,000
Azteca - NBCSN
Ryan
Eastman
TimeTrial
74
75
700,000
Becherovka - Petrof
Peter
Sagan
Hills
80
81
1,400,000
Becherovka - Petrof
Peter
Sagan
Hills
81
82
1,700,000
Becherovka - Petrof
Daniel
Vesely
Sprint
80
81
1,400,000
Becherovka - Petrof
Jiri
Polnicky
Cobbles
74
75
500,000
Berg Cycles
Pedro Miguel
Paulinho
Hill
77
78
850,000
Berg Cycles
Mario
Vogt
Acceleration
61
62
100,000
Berg Cycles
Mario
Vogt
Acceleration
62
63
200,000
eBuddy
Eduard
Grosu
Sprint
81
82
1,700,000
Eritel - Sonatrach
Elias
Afewerki
Sprint
77
78
850,000
Eritel - Sonatrach
Elias
Afewerki
Sprint
78
79
1,000,000
Evonik - ELKO
Michael
Van Stayen
Hill
78
79
1,000,000
Evonik - ELKO
Michael
Van Stayen
Acceleration
77
78
1,000,000
Festina - Dexia
Pierre-Henri
Lecuisinier
Mountain
81
82
1,700,000
Festina - Dexia
Clement
Koretzky
Hill
79
80
1,200,000
Festina - Dexia
Bryan
Coquard
Sprint
81
82
1,700,000
Festina - Dexia
Bryan
Coquard
Hill
64
65
100,000
Gazelle
Angel
Madrazo
Sprint
61
62
100,000
Generali - EDF
Primož
Roglič
Mountain
77
78
850,000
Generali - EDF
Primož
Roglič
Mountain
78
79
1,000,000
Generali - EDF
Edward
Theuns
Hill
73
74
500,000
Generali - EDF
Edward
Theuns
Cobbles
75
76
600,000
Grieg - Eftel
Luke
Rowe
Hill
65
66
125,000
Hugo Boss
Tom Jelte
Slagter
Hills
77
78
850,000
Hugo Boss
Simone
Ponzi
Hills
83
84
2,300,000
Iberia - Team Degenkolb
Ion
Izagirre
Hill
78
79
1,000,000
Isostar - Adriatic
Marko
Kump
Sprint
79
80
1,200,000
Jayco - Cobra9
Lachlan
Morton
Mountain
82
83
2,000,000
Jayco - Cobra9
Jack
Bobridge
Hill
82
83
2,000,000
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Zico
Waeytens
Hills
78
79
1,000,000
Meiji - JR East
Chen
Shikai
Mountain
80
81
1,400,000
Minions
Carlos
Betancourt
HL
79
80
1,200,000
Nemiroff - ABBYY
Oleksandr
Prevar
Hills
77
78
850,000
Netia - Vónin
Michał
Kwiatkowski
Hill
78
79
1,000,000
Netia - Vónin
Michał
Kwiatkowski
Mountain
77
78
850,000
Newton Foundation
Omar
Fraile
Mountain
74
75
500,000
Newton Foundation
Omar
Fraile
Mountain
75
76
600,000
Newton Foundation
Roman
Maksimov
Hill
57
58
100,000
Orange Pro Cycling
Nairo
Quintana
Mountain
80
81
1,400,000
Pendleton's
Alexey
Lutsenko
Hill
80
81
1,400,000
Pendleton's
Florian
Senechal
Hill
66
67
150,000
Pendleton's
Joseph
Dombrowski
Sprint
59
60
100,000
Pendleton's
Florian
Senechal
Fighter
66
67
150,000
Project: Africa
Heiko
Redecker
Sprint
76
77
700,000
Proximus Continental Team
Eliot
Lietaer
Stamina
73
74
450,000
RBC Pro Cycling
Hugo
Houle
Sprint
76
77
700,000
RBC Pro Cycling
Hugo
Houle
Sprint
77
78
850,000
RBC Pro Cycling
Eric
Young
Cobbles
74
75
500,000
Sauber Petronas Racing
Gregory
Hugentobler
Hill
75
76
600,000
SPAR - Shimano - SCG
Maxime
Daniel
Cobbles
79
80
1,200,000
Spotify - Haglöfs
Joeri
Stallaert
Cobbles
77
78
850,000
Spotify - Haglöfs
Joeri
Stallaert
Cobbles
78
79
1,000,000
Team Puma - SAP
Arnaud
Demare
Hill
77
78
850,000
Team Puma - SAP
Arnaud
Demare
Hill
78
79
1,000,000
Team UBS
Sebastien
Reichenbach
Hill
78
79
1,000,000
Team UBS
Theo
Reinhardt
Sprint
78
79
1,000,000
Tinkoff Sport Academy
Timofey
Kritskiy
Mountain
83
84
2,300,000
Valio - DeLaval
Samuel
Pökälä
TT
76
77
700,000
Wiesenhof - Andritz
Rein
Taaramäe
Mountain
83
84
2,300,000
Wiesenhof - Andritz
Rein
Taaramäe
Mountain
84
85
2,700,000
Please check your team, and let me or roturn know if anything is wrong.
Are you REALLY sure about some of these random talents, or are they just in to make Avenir some more fun and will get replaced with the real top talents next season?
So we will see sneakily added riders like Areruya, Gidich, Wirtgen and Kyeng Ho Min (?) dominate the ManGame in 5 years?
While not even considering the actually crazy part of the generation with Bernal, Gaudu, Sivakov, Kämna, Philipsen, Costa (maybe), Lambrecht, Hindley etc. yet?
Sorry if my grumpy 2am self doesn't quite understand the point of it yet. Maybe everyone else agrees with those.
Edited by cio93 on 21-09-2017 01:10
No, I suspect the likes of Herklotz and Demare will be amongst those dominating in five seasons time, with stats far exceeding any 1995-1996 born riders that are added before the 2018 transfer season - whether or not they have been added already, or will follow post-season, and regardless of what final stats they end up having.
MG is a very different cycling world to real life, with globalisation at the top level having by far exceeded real life for many many years. Naturally, talents are going to be developing differently. Although Gidich, incidentally, is the 1996 rider with the highest amount of CQ points right now.
I agree we need good riders from all over the world, and I agree I'm in a bad position to argue, I just remember we had this discussion about not adding world beaters after the Dombrowski thing.
And Wirtgen for example would max out as the third strongest TTer in the whole DB with better stats than I'd even suggest for Kämna, and Areruya would come with a somewhat handy 83sta and 81acc as a puncheur which would be the strongest secondary skillset of any puncheur in the world straight out of maxing (alternatively, 82sta 85rec as sprinter). Not even to mention that his stat gain versatility makes Mathieu VdP look boring.
And Gidich got those points against Bibby and Marangoni while riding for Vino's team, we all know that amounts to as much as Pourseyedi winning every race Iran had to offer.
But I'll just leave it be for others to voice their opinion and we'll see next season. No intentions of losing credibility and appreciation.
Edited by cio93 on 21-09-2017 01:34
There's a lot of time to tinker with riders, to avoid unintended alternative development routes being far too tempting. e.g. Wirtgen was added with Stage Race in mind, Areruya with Climber v1 (and not really noticing the Sprint stat).
It simply made sense to do some initial work now, focusing on some smaller countries, but at the same time not spending much time on them - as they really don't matter right now. A little 'easter egg' in the DB.
Of course, super-strong talent 'mistakes' like Herklotz will be guarded against, but only to an extent. We wouldn't want a situation that we're likely to see in this season's Avenir to be repeated at GT level in how ever many seasons time. But it's hardly worth going into this in great detail now, as it will be months before the 2018 DB prep even needs to be started.
I apologize for jumping onto this waaay prematurely, being kept awake by a nasty cold at 2am took a toll on me.
They are fun to look at for the moment, and as you say that's all there is to it as there are absolutely no effects for at least another year.
And you should still thank me for messing up his xp, it could be even worse after all.
Of these "easter egg" riders, Patrick Muller is down as a 25 year old when he's actually 21, his D.O.B in the DB is 8.7.1992 when it's actually 18.4.1996.
And thanks to the new addition of Federico Olei I've found a lot of names that could potentially be added for minor European nations in the future.
Dammit I was going to suggest some of those guys next year
Thanks for the DB though
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Grosu and Coquard staying on par with eachother, but other than that no real sprinters training at high level suggests that Coquard should have a better season. Also really happy that I didn't decide to make him +2SPR as he would have likely been a 3 star favorite now and again, but without any sort of train to help him.
Mainly trainings were done where it doesn't really interfere with my riders position in the points list:
For Clement Koretzky there was a development with Sean De Bie, Simone Ponzi, Ion Izagirre, Jack Bobridge, Peter Sagan and Alexey Lutsenko. Most of those riders were already a level above Koretzky, so just stay that way, while Izagirre didn't quite get up. The only thing I fear is the level up from the natural DB thing, and maybe to see what Arnaud Demare and Michael van Stayen can do in the hardest hilly races. Whether they can push Koretzky down a spot or two is an open question, but hopefully they will wait for the sprint, while Koretzky is ahead
Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier took a step up, while riders like Guldhammer, Keizer, Monsalve, Alarcon, Tenorio, Dombrowski, Phinney, Wellens, Nerz and Cattaneo all stayed the same. Riders like Taaramae and Kritskiy were already ahead. So only negative is Lachlan Morton stepping up. So very happy with the advance in that category.
And as already suggested, Bryan Coquard moves closer to the elite, while not getting too close to actually being a top 3 favorite, which is perfect. Then my leadouts can develop for another season before hopefully making it into the top 3 sprinters
Even in the cobbles departement nothing major happened, so Tom David is still around 15th in the PT with Jacobs also around 20th. Only Trentin, who was already better, moved up. Aker must be very very pleased with that, also having an additional 6 riders in the top 30
A small suggestion for next time could be to add (S) after the team name for stagiares instead of adding them as S in the division. It messes up the sorting when listing the teams. I have corrected it for myself, but just for next season
I think last years DB had stagiares as PTS, PCTS and CTS respectively instead of all under S, or one year it did anyway as I remember seeing it and I know I wouldn't have done it myself.
So that appears to more or less be my work for the "rider suggestions" thread done already
Not quite sure if I find it interesting or terrifying looking over PCT top riders in different areas. Hopefully Il Toro can live up to last season as Gautier is a bit further down the list than I had hoped.
viking90 wrote:
Yeah, my priority suggestion for next season is in there now and looks like the rider I would have suggest aswell.
Time to make the planner finitio in the next day.
Sounds worrying
Well I would maybe had him at 85 maxed in his main stat but I needed to be a bit realistic so I´m happy how he looks now, to bad you cant make a late signing
