Paul23 wrote:
Sorry for the offtopic, but why were you allowed to change your name?
I asked matt if I can change it and said that I use the same username on cyclingnews forum (where I have more than 1000 posts) and la flamme rouge and he changed it.
Nice. I asked for a namechange, because I have a different name in every other forum/steam/origin/uplay/whatever, but I wasn't allowed.
Valentin Baillifard was powerful during Sibiu Cycling Tour. He finished 3rd, and deserves something like 69 MO/68 HIL.
Colin Stüssi is very satisfying this year. 5th of Tour de Savoir, 2nd of Sibiu Cycling Tour, he also won Tour of Rhodes. 69-70 MO/69 HIL are great in my opinion. Maybe a little buff in RY too, with a good GP du Canton d'Argovie.
They both need a buff in TT and PR too ( https://www.procyc...tage_4_ITT ). Even if this exercice is dedicated to climbers, they need more than 60 TT/PR to make these performances. 63-64 should be decent.
Roland Thalmann is also efficient this year : 14th of Sibiu Cycling Tour, 16th of Tour of Croatia, 13th in Circuit des Ardennes, 9th of Tour de Rhodes, 18th of Tour du Haut-Var, 15th of Étoile de Bessèges, 19th of GP La Marseillaise. He should have somethig like 67-68 RY/67 MO/70 HIL.
Some suggestions :
Edwin Avila (Illuminate) deserves at least 70 BAR for his performance during Sibiu Cycling Tour ( https://www.procyc...17_Stage_1 ). Because of his regularity, I think he deserves something like 70-71 SP too, and maybe 68-69 END.
Fabio Tommassini (d'Amico) should receive around 66 SP, a little buff in ACC and PR (maybe 67-68 ACC and 65-66 PR).
Andrea Palini (Androni) needs at least 68 PR.
Nicklas Pedersen (Giant - Castelli) needs around 65-66 PR like Tommassini, and also 67-68 SP.
Marco Tizza (GM) should receive a little buff in MO, at least 67. His teammate Ettore Carlini needs at least 65.
Cristian Raileanu (Differdange) needs 67-68 MO, it was a good surprise during Sibiu. The same for his teammate Maxim Rusnac, who deserves at least 65-66 MO. Respectively 6th and 10th overall.
Ziga Groselj (Adria Mobil) deserves at least 65 MO.
Nice performance for Jonathan Clarke (UHC) during Sibiu too, I think he should receive 68 or 69 MO.
Valentin Baillifard was powerful during Sibiu Cycling Tour. He finished 3rd, and deserves something like 69 MO/68 HIL.
Colin Stüssi is very satisfying this year. 5th of Tour de Savoir, 2nd of Sibiu Cycling Tour, he also won Tour of Rhodes. 69-70 MO/69 HIL are great in my opinion. Maybe a little buff in RY too, with a good GP du Canton d'Argovie.
They both need a buff in TT and PR too ( https://www.procyc...tage_4_ITT ). Even if this exercice is dedicated to climbers, they need more than 60 TT/PR to make these performances. 63-64 should be decent.
Roland Thalmann is also efficient this year : 14th of Sibiu Cycling Tour, 16th of Tour of Croatia, 13th in Circuit des Ardennes, 9th of Tour de Rhodes, 18th of Tour du Haut-Var, 15th of Étoile de Bessèges, 19th of GP La Marseillaise. He should have somethig like 67-68 RY/67 MO/70 HIL.
To which stats are you referring? The current ones on the sheet from the first post for Roth were updated 2 days ago, you may want to check compability?
Valentin Baillifard was powerful during Sibiu Cycling Tour. He finished 3rd, and deserves something like 69 MO/68 HIL.
Colin Stüssi is very satisfying this year. 5th of Tour de Savoir, 2nd of Sibiu Cycling Tour, he also won Tour of Rhodes. 69-70 MO/69 HIL are great in my opinion. Maybe a little buff in RY too, with a good GP du Canton d'Argovie.
They both need a buff in TT and PR too ( https://www.procyc...tage_4_ITT ). Even if this exercice is dedicated to climbers, they need more than 60 TT/PR to make these performances. 63-64 should be decent.
Roland Thalmann is also efficient this year : 14th of Sibiu Cycling Tour, 16th of Tour of Croatia, 13th in Circuit des Ardennes, 9th of Tour de Rhodes, 18th of Tour du Haut-Var, 15th of Étoile de Bessèges, 19th of GP La Marseillaise. He should have somethig like 67-68 RY/67 MO/70 HIL.
To which stats are you referring? The current ones on the sheet from the first post for Roth were updated 2 days ago, you may want to check compability?
Sorry, I looked to the stats on the Lite Pack.
By the way, I just tried to open the sheet, but it doesn't work well for me, do you have another support ?
Mountains:
83:Quintana, Froome
82:porte,aru(aru should have a bad rec), contador(he has crashed 5 times guys, try it yourself, you cant expect him to win then
81:landa(maybe 82, considering he helped froome alot and almost won a stage, uran, bardet, nibali, pinot, maybe fuglsang(hard to place since he crashed early
80: Barguil(?), dumoulin
A lot of high rated riders, but i think that makes the game more realistic
You just gonna forget about Chaves. The man podium two GT last year. Not his fault he was hurt and couldn't train much before the Tour. Pinot is too high, Dumolin should have at least the same mountain stat as him. I'd put Chaves at 81. Pinot at 80. Uran at 80, its been one GT, he has to show more in other races.
Aru was really strong during the third week of Giro 2014/2015 and Vuelta 2014/2015. His problems only happened during Tour 2016/2017. He may deserve a lower REC, but not a bad REC.
Aru was really strong during the third week of Giro 2014/2015 and Vuelta 2014/2015. His problems only happened during Tour 2016/2017. He may deserve a lower REC, but not a bad REC.
Reveille wrote:
You just gonna forget about Chaves. The man podium two GT last year. Not his fault he was hurt and couldn't train much before the Tour. Pinot is too high, Dumolin should have at least the same mountain stat as him. I'd put Chaves at 81. Pinot at 80. Uran at 80, its been one GT, he has to show more in other races.
Didnt forget him, just that i didnt have much time, and the stats i "made"(?) were mostly those eho changed a lot+ some that were the same to kinda compare them
tobgunn123 wrote:
Mountains:
83:Quintana, Froome
82orte,aru(aru should have a bad rec), contador(he has crashed 5 times guys, try it yourself, you cant expect him to win then
81:landa(maybe 82, considering he helped froome alot and almost won a stage, uran, bardet, nibali, pinot, maybe fuglsang(hard to place since he crashed early
80: Barguil(?), dumoulin
A lot of high rated riders, but i think that makes the game more realistic
I think the last part of this is spot on -- right now we're seeing a LOT of GC riders who are very equal on their climbing abilities. I might be in the minority here, but I'm wondering if lower the likes of Quintana and Froome to 82 isn't the most realistic option at this stage.
Froome is obviously not where he was in 13/14. You can make a case he's saving energy for the Vuelta, etc., but until he shows that I'm leaning more toward his age catching up with him. His TEAM is his biggest asset. Quintana COULD be 83, but we never really saw him blow the field away in the Giro with perhaps the exception of a strong day on Blockhaus. That to me is more RDC than anything though.
From there, the 80/81 group is pretty large -- Porte, Landa, Nibali, Aru, Chaves, Bardet, Zakarin, Pinot, Contador...all of them have viable arguments for either value. Really backup stats and HIL become the separators in regards to them.
I do think I'm okay leaving both Barguil and Uran on 79. Barguil had no real GC aspirations in the Tour, and was let free to fly more oft than not. When the big GC guys wanted to bring him back, they did. He's definitely making strides, but I'm not ready to put him in that "elite" plateau yet.
Same goes from Uran (and I'm sure I'll get flack for this), but we never saw him get any daylight between any other GC climbers. Honestly, his performance this year feels a LOT like Kruiswijk last year. It's easy to jump immediately to the conclusion he should be 80, but I'd like to see a bit more from him before he gets the bump.
Same for say, Fuglsang. He was on the form of his career this summer no doubt. But I'm not sold on that equating to 80 MTN. Think 79 is still a very solid number for him. My real tough one is Tommy. 79 feels right, but also seems a tick too low. But his TT stat is a great equalizer. Does 80 TT, 80 MTN....PLUS his backup stats make him too strong? Part of me thinks, in strictly the PCM universe, 79 is better for him in the same way the curbing some of Sagan's stats keep him from being untouchable. *shrug*
Boasson Hagen I think in mountain 71 maximum. I think he can do better, but usually in the mountain he take a rest for stay better for the next day (stages like yesterday)
tobgunn123 wrote:
I think we have to boost every stat for ebh, even mountains, but maybe not cobbles
even mountains? he mostly got dropped before Bouhanni on the climbs...
How much do you know about cycling? seriously...
EBH became the sprinter in dimension data after cavendish crashed. The thing about sprinters, is that we never actually see how good they are in the mountains. They have to save their powers to the flat stages. This counts for EBH too, but not when cavendish is back. EBH isnt bad in TT just because he didnt perform in the tt today, he is a sprinter, and had to save as much as possible for Champs-Élysées, same for teammates like kwiatkowski, in the early tt's, but when there arent any thing to do for chris froome he can do as good as possible
tobgunn123 wrote:
I think we have to boost every stat for ebh, even mountains, but maybe not cobbles
even mountains? he mostly got dropped before Bouhanni on the climbs...
How much do you know about cycling? seriously...
EBH became the sprinter in dimension data after cavendish crashed. The thing about sprinters, is that we never actually see how good they are in the mountains. They have to save their powers to the flat stages. This counts for EBH too, but not when cavendish is back. EBH isnt bad in TT just because he didnt perform in the tt today, he is a sprinter, and had to save as much as possible for Champs-Élysées, same for teammates like kwiatkowski, in the early tt's, but when there arent any thing to do for chris froome he can do as good as possible
That's why I compared a sprinter to a sprinter, duh.
Valentin Baillifard was powerful during Sibiu Cycling Tour. He finished 3rd, and deserves something like 69 MO/68 HIL.
Edwin Avila (Illuminate) deserves at least 70 BAR for his performance during Sibiu Cycling Tour ( 
Fabio Tommassini (d'Amico) should receive around 66 SP, a little buff in ACC and PR (maybe 67-68 ACC and 65-66 PR).
Nicklas Pedersen (Giant - Castelli) needs around 65-66 PR like Tommassini, and also 67-68 SP.
Cristian Raileanu (Differdange) needs 67-68 MO, it was a good surprise during Sibiu. The same for his teammate 
Ziga Groselj (Adria Mobil) deserves at least 65 MO.
Jonathan Clarke (UHC) during Sibiu too, I think he should receive 68 or 69 MO.
orte,aru(aru should have a bad rec), contador(he has crashed 5 times guys, try it yourself, you cant expect him to win then
