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| henrikcomn |
Posted on 11-07-2017 16:16
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To many suggestion about stats is based on the first week of the tour alone. Absolutely pointless. You have to consider the whole season, and last season as well if you are playing career. Because the stat you give a rider, will be his max. level of performance, which he in your game might not reach in the tour - just like in real life |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 11-07-2017 16:20
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henrikcomn wrote:
To many suggestion about stats is based on the first week of the tour alone. Absolutely pointless. You have to consider the whole season, and last season as well if you are playing career. Because the stat you give a rider, will be his max. level of performance, which he in your game might not reach in the tour - just like in real life
The stat you give a rider is his average performance, when he is in a good form...
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-07-2017 16:32
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Arberg27 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
- Kittel SPR 82 -> 83 he is the best sprinter of the world!
Not in GTs.
Cavendish - Tour: 30 Giro: 7 Vuelta: 3
Greipel ----- Tour: 11 Giro: 7 Vuelta: 4
Kittel --------Tour: 9 Giro: 4 Vuelta: 1
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 11-07-2017 18:21
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AiZaK wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
- Kittel SPR 82 -> 83 he is the best sprinter of the world!
Not in GTs.
Cavendish - Tour: 30 Giro: 7 Vuelta: 3
Greipel ----- Tour: 11 Giro: 7 Vuelta: 4
Kittel --------Tour: 9 Giro: 4 Vuelta: 1
Do you think the same about Kittel??? No he is the best  |
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| zsuiram2 |
Posted on 11-07-2017 18:58
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Cav 2016: 4 tour, kittel 1
This tour is easy as f. for Kittel. Sagan out, Cavendish out.
Mark had good performance at Tour and could fight for a win the 4th stage, Kittel was 13th.
This season Kittel was better at Dubai Tour, Cavendish at Abu Dhabi..
George Bennet 1st at Tour of California (Rafał Majka 2nd - MO 79) also pretty good in Tour de France
Valverde ITT: Critérium du Dauphiné 3rd, Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2nd, Vuelta a Andalucia 2nd
Michał Kwiatkowski: 1st at National Championships Poland - ITT, 2nd Białobłocki (TT 75) +1:15, 3rd Bodnar (TT 77) 1:31
Cavendish: Recovery 77->79
G. Bennet: MO 76-> 78/79
Valverde: TT 74 -> 76/77
Kwiatkowski: TT 75 ->76/77 |
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 11-07-2017 19:08
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zsuiram2 wrote:
Cav 2016: 4 tour, kittel 1
This tour is easy as f. for Kittel. Sagan out, Cavendish out.
Mark had good performance at Tour and could fight for a win the 4th stage, Kittel was 13th.
This season Kittel was better at Dubai Tour, Cavendish at Abu Dhabi..
kittel was 13th because of the crash
he wasnt in the front group |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 11-07-2017 19:50
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zsuiram2 wrote:
Cav 2016: 4 tour, kittel 1
This tour is easy as f. for Kittel. Sagan out, Cavendish out.
Mark had good performance at Tour and could fight for a win the 4th stage, Kittel was 13th.
This season Kittel was better at Dubai Tour, Cavendish at Abu Dhabi..
George Bennet 1st at Tour of California (Rafał Majka 2nd - MO 79) also pretty good in Tour de France
Valverde ITT: Critérium du Dauphiné 3rd, Vuelta al Pais Vasco 2nd, Vuelta a Andalucia 2nd
Michał Kwiatkowski: 1st at National Championships Poland - ITT, 2nd Białobłocki (TT 75) +1:15, 3rd Bodnar (TT 77) 1:31
Cavendish: Recovery 77->79
G. Bennet: MO 76-> 78/79
Valverde: TT 74 -> 76/77
Kwiatkowski: TT 75 ->76/77
Cav hasn't completed a GT since 2015 and in general his sta and rec have been going down so no need to raise any of those, the only long race that he's done well in over the last couple of years was the 2016 WC RR. which of course affects his sta
Bennett- That's way too high, every year riders like Bennett finish high in a GT and quite often they never reach that form again, better to see how he goes before giving him anything higher than 77 as there are also nearly 2 weeks left.
Valverde- You may have missed an exercise we did some weeks ago where it was mentioned that GT riders do better than their TT stats in races quite simply because they are GT guys, so to mitigate that a bit we have lowered mostly all the GT guys by a point of which Valverde was one of course to give TT specialists better possibilities in stage races.
Kwiat- His performances in TT's vary quite a bit but that one I will make a note against and look in more detail again.
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| AustrianChamp |
Posted on 11-07-2017 19:55
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I'm sorry i dont have the game, but what stats do the austrian riders have, such like brändle, konrad, preidler, gogl ....??? |
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| Dane_16 |
Posted on 11-07-2017 19:57
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Tafiolmo wrote:
In reference to some of the riders mentioned and what they will be (depending on rest of Tour of course)
Quintana 82 (has only really been an 83 in the Vuelta, an 82 in the Giro and more like an out of form 81 in both Tours.
Aru- 81
Contador- 80
Fuglsang- 78 or 79 (leaning towards 79)
Uran could also go back upto 79 as well if he keeps it up.
I Would say Fuglsang should be 79 or Even 80. He has always been very strong in the mountains as a luxury helper for first the Schleck brothers and later Nibali, now he has developed into a winner. As the helper for big gc riders he was One of the last to drop from the favorite group.
Now he is current top 5 in tdf, won the dauphine and finished 2nd in the olympics.
Unfortunately he has always had One Day in the Grand tour where he has been dropped for good, so the backup stats should not be in the high high end, maybe at the 73-75 level.
The Danish heart i saying 80 but atleast 79.  |
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| zsuiram2 |
Posted on 11-07-2017 20:54
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Cav hasn't completed a GT since 2015 and in general his sta and rec have been going down so no need to raise any of those, the only long race that he's done well in over the last couple of years was the 2016 WC RR. which of course affects his sta
Bennett- That's way too high, every year riders like Bennett finish high in a GT and quite often they never reach that form again, better to see how he goes before giving him anything higher than 77 as there are also nearly 2 weeks left.
Valverde- You may have missed an exercise we did some weeks ago where it was mentioned that GT riders do better than their TT stats in races quite simply because they are GT guys, so to mitigate that a bit we have lowered mostly all the GT guys by a point of which Valverde was one of course to give TT specialists better possibilities in stage races.
Kwiat- His performances in TT's vary quite a bit but that one I will make a note against and look in more detail again.
Cav and Valverde Ok.
I think Bennett is a little underrated, mb not at mo, but look overall.
2016:
Criterium du Dauphiné - 14th,
Vuelta a España-10th(!)
2017:
Abu Dhabi 7th,
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya 9th
Vuelta al Pais Vasco 11th
Amgen Tour of California 1st
Kwiato - we must know, that he is helper and not always get free hand.
Evrything will be clear after 20 stage  |
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 12-07-2017 17:47
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Valverde- You may have missed an exercise we did some weeks ago where it was mentioned that GT riders do better than their TT stats in races quite simply because they are GT guys, so to mitigate that a bit we have lowered mostly all the GT guys by a point of which Valverde was one of course to give TT specialists better possibilities in stage races.
it might be worth testing that again in pcm17 now
in the last patch they made changes to how the stats are used and made the yellow bar empty slower so HI and FL are much more useful in TTs now and MO less so |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 12-07-2017 17:48
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edvald boasson hagen should get 78 sprint, atleast, even though there are less Springers left |
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| gvarv |
Posted on 13-07-2017 00:05
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Another sprint stage and another heartbreak for EBH; though I am partying like it is 2011! Really didnt think he could get back to such explosiveness and speed again! Kudos to the Boss!
Kittel? 83 Sprint!! 82 Acc?!? |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 13-07-2017 22:15
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What do you think about the top sprinters with the Sprints in TDF???
In my opinion:
Kittel 83
Cavendish 82
Greipel 81
Gaviria 80
Demare 80
Groenewegen 80
Sagan 79 (acc83)
Degenkolb 79
Ewan 79
Bouhanni 79
Viviani 79
Modolo 78/79
Kristoff 78
Boasson Hagen 78
Michael Matthews 78
Selig 77 |
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 14-07-2017 01:05
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AiZaK wrote:
What do you think about the top sprinters with the Sprints in TDF???
In my opinion:
Kittel 83
Cavendish 82
Greipel 81
Gaviria 80
Demare 80
Groenewegen 80
Sagan 79 (acc83)
Degenkolb 79
Ewan 79
Bouhanni 79
Viviani 79
Modolo 78/79
Kristoff 78
Boasson Hagen 78
Michael Matthews 78
Selig 77
agreed, especially with sagan's 79, since i think his 80 sprint is overrated, most of the times he is just on the Best's wheel, and dont take much wind, and gets like 2nd and 3rd, like degenkolb and... groenewegen i think
Edited by tobgunn123 on 14-07-2017 01:07
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| matt17br |
Posted on 14-07-2017 01:07
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tobgunn123 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
What do you think about the top sprinters with the Sprints in TDF???
In my opinion:
Kittel 83
Cavendish 82
Greipel 81
Gaviria 80
Demare 80
Groenewegen 80
Sagan 79 (acc83)
Degenkolb 79
Ewan 79
Bouhanni 79
Viviani 79
Modolo 78/79
Kristoff 78
Boasson Hagen 78
Michael Matthews 78
Selig 77
agreed, especially with sagan's 79, since i think his 80 sprint is overrated, most of the times he is just on the Best's wheel, and dont tåke much wind, and gets like 2nd and 3rd, like degenkolb and... groenewegen i think
Sagan is 79/83 in the db
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 14-07-2017 01:09
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matt17br wrote:
tobgunn123 wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
What do you think about the top sprinters with the Sprints in TDF???
In my opinion:
Kittel 83
Cavendish 82
Greipel 81
Gaviria 80
Demare 80
Groenewegen 80
Sagan 79 (acc83)
Degenkolb 79
Ewan 79
Bouhanni 79
Viviani 79
Modolo 78/79
Kristoff 78
Boasson Hagen 78
Michael Matthews 78
Selig 77
agreed, especially with sagan's 79, since i think his 80 sprint is overrated, most of the times he is just on the Best's wheel, and dont tåke much wind, and gets like 2nd and 3rd, like degenkolb and... groenewegen i think
Sagan is 79/83 in the db
No, but just wondering... i feel the descline age is just fucked up, and it doesnt matter if you change it in an editor |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 14-07-2017 01:16
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Yep, decline age column is not working anymore since PCM 15 and the riders' declining is based off other factors.
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| tobgunn123 |
Posted on 14-07-2017 01:18
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matt17br wrote:
Yep, decline age column is not working anymore since PCM 15 and the riders' declining is based off other factors.
do you know how? since there's a lot of riders decline i want to change |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 14-07-2017 01:29
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You can't change how quickly riders decline. Potential, age, current stats, training and a random component are just some of the factors.
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