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| Oggmeista |
Posted on 20-06-2017 06:14
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Ok first of all the game a much improved from last years game, whilst i will critizise whats poor I also applaud and praise when i see positive improvements, i particualr the return and improvement of the replay feature, which whilst not perfect is needed and it's great to see it now..
Ok i have a few points to the first is imho a fundemental error in the logic ok the is the scenario were in a breakaway and i'm following the AI's pace my heatrate is 135 and im not taking a turn to relay (pull at the front) the gap to the pack is increasing, then suddenly it starts decreasing very slowly
SO i change mode to relay push the pace to 80+ heartbeat increases to 165+ we are travelling faster and instead of the gap increasing it is decreasing why?, the peleton are not driving at this pace, immidiately and yet it's as if my pace at the front is slow and that the rate chosen makes no difference...this is wrong....my guess is this doesn't even check your speed it's just a set of triggers (scripts) which decide the AI's pace, this is NOT how things work in reality....
Second point is not a bug as such but an suggestion to the logic, concerning relaying again when you want the AI to relay you cannot just set a pace and expect the AI to agree eg say i want to relay up a hill @70 and the suggested speed is between 45-55 if i go ahead i will do all the work the AI will just sit in behind...Now this is where i believe the current logical is wrong, in the reverse scenario and the AI wants you to relay if you don't comply the rate at which the AI is happy increases...Why is this?, surely the AI wants you to relay so in order to convince you it needs to decrease it's asking rate not increase, the same logic which you would use has to apply to the AI in short it is the riders who are refusing to relay which call the shots up to a point at least, if after comprimising and your still not accepting to work, then it can look to attack and break the tow, provided that it doesn't exceed the parameters of the particular #ai riders statistics...if individual riders statistics are being calculated in the game like they should be..
i need to stress I havn't played a full season yet and therefore don't know how the AI react when your a fav so there maybe other mechanics i don't agree with, last year virtually no AI riders would relay with you if you was a top classification rider, when really only the riders in teams which are also challenging for the standings would refuse to work....other teams are looking to benefit from relaying as much as you are, so this was wrong, but may of been changed this year, as i said not as yet in a position to test this... |
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| Forza-Diavolo |
Posted on 03-07-2017 15:00
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Now I have run a Tour de France all stages.
Seems there are more crashes than usual, but seems okay in relation to reality.
The time difference has also improved in GC. Before, there could be 10-12 minutes between 1 and 2
Sorry for my bad English
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 03-07-2017 16:31
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Forza-Diavolo wrote:
Now I have run a Tour de France all stages.
Seems there are more crashes than usual, but seems okay in relation to reality.
The time difference has also improved in GC. Before, there could be 10-12 minutes between 1 and 2
Sorry for my bad English
Yeah it's getting better and better but sometimes, and I think a lot of people know this, it note the same time even if there is a big gap on the final KM.. that's annoying!
Bad tour for Quintana btw haha
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Forza-Diavolo |
Posted on 03-07-2017 17:28
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Yes, I agree. I think there should be no big difference between the best GC in the mountain state. For keeping it closer. The best may just have more in END and REC.
Yes Quintana was really bad. He even drove to the end of the race |
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| jakobbe |
Posted on 04-07-2017 19:11
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I have not really experienced that there are stages with the possibility of splitting the peloton into the wind, other with the same view? |
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| Rosenvold112 |
Posted on 05-07-2017 08:35
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I really loved PCM16. The first edition in years that didn't crash all the time and I played the shit out of that game. But two questions that I'm worrying about before buying PCM17 - hope you guys can help me 
1) Are there more versions/parkours of the Grand Tours than PCM16? Or do fan-made parkours actually work to have them change from season to season?
2) Do the big teams still hoard riders like crazy? In PCM16, the big teams usually had 60-80 riders after 2-3 years :/
Thank you for your help |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 05-07-2017 09:54
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1) Yes. 2010-2016 GT and WT stages variants have been converted by emmea on the Steam Workshop.
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| Squire |
Posted on 05-07-2017 18:59
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Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 05-07-2017 19:09
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Rosenvold112 wrote:
2) Do the big teams still hoard riders like crazy? In PCM16, the big teams usually had 60-80 riders after 2-3 years :/
WAT? That wasn't even possible.
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| OPQS93 |
Posted on 05-07-2017 19:15
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Anyone here who understands how practice and tiredness works in PCM 17? I started a career with FDJ, and made a normal season plan for Pinot. And now its Paris Nice and he has been in like 2-3 races before Paris Nice, but still his tiredness...
(Picture is Norwegian, but people who play PCM should still understand all without the writing...)
And then compare with Demare who has been in more races
And it was the same with my Orica test save, most people was no problem but Kreuziger was useless in all races since he got tired just by watching people train... |
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| Rosenvold112 |
Posted on 05-07-2017 20:04
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Paul23 wrote:
Rosenvold112 wrote:
2) Do the big teams still hoard riders like crazy? In PCM16, the big teams usually had 60-80 riders after 2-3 years :/
WAT? That wasn't even possible.
Yes? Was an issue in both PCM15 and '16.
Okay, 60-80 is rare, but 35-40 riders is common for big teams after 2-3 seasons. It ruins the game since several teams have 15-20 riders with over 75 in AVG, so lots of world class riders hardly do any races.
But maybe this is fixed for 17? |
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| Squire |
Posted on 06-07-2017 22:15
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Squire wrote:
Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
Anybody? 
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| undertaker |
Posted on 06-07-2017 23:03
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Squire wrote:
Squire wrote:
Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
Anybody?
if you talk about put objectives for each rider like PCM14,no. still the same like 16 |
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| Squire |
Posted on 07-07-2017 21:36
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undertaker wrote:
Squire wrote:
Squire wrote:
Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
Anybody?
if you talk about put objectives for each rider like PCM14,no. still the same like 16
Oh, I thought I saw someone complain about tedious season planning, which got my hopes up. If there's no return of the individual fitness schedule, then no PCM 17 for me.
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 07-07-2017 22:33
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Squire wrote:
undertaker wrote:
Squire wrote:
Squire wrote:
Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
Anybody?
if you talk about put objectives for each rider like PCM14,no. still the same like 16
Oh, I thought I saw someone complain about tedious season planning, which got my hopes up. If there's no return of the individual fitness schedule, then no PCM 17 for me.
It is pretty stupid... You can't make your captain go for both giro and the tour?
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 07-07-2017 22:33
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Squire wrote:
undertaker wrote:
Squire wrote:
Squire wrote:
Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
Anybody?
if you talk about put objectives for each rider like PCM14,no. still the same like 16
Oh, I thought I saw someone complain about tedious season planning, which got my hopes up. If there's no return of the individual fitness schedule, then no PCM 17 for me.
It is pretty stupid... You can't make your captain go for both giro and the tour?
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-07-2017 23:58
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Ton1Mart1n wrote:
Squire wrote:
undertaker wrote:
Squire wrote:
Squire wrote:
Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
Anybody?
if you talk about put objectives for each rider like PCM14,no. still the same like 16
Oh, I thought I saw someone complain about tedious season planning, which got my hopes up. If there's no return of the individual fitness schedule, then no PCM 17 for me.
It is pretty stupid... You can't make your captain go for both giro and the tour?
Only, when you edit his form manually
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 08-07-2017 06:42
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Paul23 wrote:
Ton1Mart1n wrote:
Squire wrote:
undertaker wrote:
Squire wrote:
Squire wrote:
Is this game playable by now?
And how is it for long careers? I bought PCM16, but never played it because I couldn't set each rider's schedule individually. Is that brought back, so I can plan the season in detail? Been playing PCM14 until now, that's close to perfection.
Anybody?
if you talk about put objectives for each rider like PCM14,no. still the same like 16
Oh, I thought I saw someone complain about tedious season planning, which got my hopes up. If there's no return of the individual fitness schedule, then no PCM 17 for me.
It is pretty stupid... You can't make your captain go for both giro and the tour?
Only, when you edit his form manually
But how?
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| BernardoF107 |
Posted on 08-07-2017 23:58
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Why in ProCyclist world championship isnt in calendar? I don't know when it is so i can't prepare to it :/ |
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| MountainMaster |
Posted on 09-07-2017 00:03
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BernardoF107 wrote:
Why in ProCyclist world championship isnt in calendar? I don't know when it is so i can't prepare to it :/
It's in the last week of September, around Day 23 or something.
The World Championship isn't in calendar because first the game will need to choose the riders for the national team. If you have the luck to be selected the race will appear in the calendar.
I think the selection is 2, 3 weeks before World Championship.
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