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Critérium du Dauphiné 2017
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| matt17br |
Posted on 07-06-2017 21:45
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Did he mess up his prep?
It's a lot more likely that Sky, this time, would rather see him stronger in the 3rd week, than have him dominate the first MTF and then fade in the last few days. Froome is in his early 30s now, it only makes sense that they'd have him peak for a shorter time span. We've only seen him peak for several months in 2013 after all.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 07-06-2017 21:48
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matt17br wrote:
Did he mess up his prep?
It's a lot more likely that Sky, this time, would rather see him stronger in the 3rd week, than have him dominate the first MTF and then fade in the last few days. Froome is in his early 30s now, it only makes sense that they'd have him peak for a shorter time span. We've only seen him peak for several months in 2013 after all. Plus he wants to win the Vuelta a lot it looks like.
But he looked better in Catalunya than last year and after Sky setting the tempo on the queen stage of Romandie he got dropped and was even dropped by the large chasing group, and now he falters on the 2nd half of this TT. Not that I'm sad about Froome underperforming.  |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 07-06-2017 21:49
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
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Lol. Good? Give me a break. Porte rocked it out there.
I look forward to Valverde and Unzue downplaying Valverde as a contender in July, will be golden Movistar has a very high chance of having some problems about who to support, Valverde or Quintana. Gonna be hilarious to watch Vomistar tactics at its finest. 
Also Porte was scarily good, he dominated the TT. Surprised with Froome having a bad TT. Di he mess up his prep? Valverde flying once again, this one even surprised me because he has been under-par in the Dauphine post-suspension. Contador didn't look very good, but then again, he is not the type of Porte/Froome who have an extremely high performance in Dauphine. He is a bit under-par on Dauphine mostly.
Valverde will be the man, this year is the perfect storm. I will be in Germany to support him. 
Lets see, but it seems wide open this year. 5 riders can win, thats a lot. Vroomester below par, on shitty route, Valverde in the shape of his life. He can win. Im a believer.
.. bút, but, but, Quintana is the captain!
Valverde looks in a monster shape. And the route suits him, no long ITT, no extremely tough mountain stage, no 3-4 back-to-back mountain stages, only one stage having some 2000+ altitude (the Galibier stage but even that stage doesn't have that much over 2000m), and the bonifications should make him gain some time as well on PDBF or on the Les Rousses stages. The stage with Biche, GC and Mont du Chat and the stage with Croix de Fer and Galibier look like the biggest problems but as I said the route suits him and he definitely has a chance of winning it.
Quintana can attack on Mont du Chat to test the other favourites but that may backfire as well with Valv getting dropped. Interesting to see what will Movi do.
Also, are you going to the Grand Depart? That's very cool! I am planning to go to the end of the race in Paris, hopefully with Contador winning. (at least I want to see him there and maybe chances of signing an autograph or even a photo if I can. Though this doesn't mean I won't be asking for other riders for photos, there are many riders I want to have a photo with, Contador is one of them)
As I said, its the perfect storm this year. He couldn't ever have dreamt of this scenario, its incredibe to think about really. But I bet he would have liked Porte to calm a bit down, he might be the best peak climber in the world.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 07-06-2017 21:55
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Porte may fade badly in the Tour though due to very high expectations, mispeak, or an awful day (this has a very high chance of happening as he had many GTs with an awful day, losing 8-10 minutes.)
I don't think Contador will win this year though. He didn't look very convincing to me. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-06-2017 10:33
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Porte may fade badly in the Tour though due to very high expectations, mispeak, or an awful day (this has a very high chance of happening as he had many GTs with an awful day, losing 8-10 minutes.)
I don't think Contador will win this year though. He didn't look very convincing to me.
Contadors days as a Tour winner are gone, every year he gets tipped by fans but he just isn't on the same level as other GC riders in the pressure cooker that's the Tour. If he stays upright then a stage win and a place in the top 5 would be a massive result.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 08-06-2017 10:58
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Strydz wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Porte may fade badly in the Tour though due to very high expectations, mispeak, or an awful day (this has a very high chance of happening as he had many GTs with an awful day, losing 8-10 minutes.)
I don't think Contador will win this year though. He didn't look very convincing to me.
Contadors days as a Tour winner are gone, every year he gets tipped by fans but he just isn't on the same level as other GC riders in the pressure cooker that's the Tour. If he stays upright then a stage win and a place in the top 5 would be a massive result. No, Contador has 82 mountain and 78 acceleration. Try and see PCM.daily 2017 DB
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-06-2017 11:16
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Contador can win a la pedale. There are big questions about all the major contenders, including himself, so I can't see why he shouldnt be able to win with a little luck.
Now, the likelyhood of him winning I dno. But he has a shot. First and foremost, he gotta find a way to stay upright. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-06-2017 11:38
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Nah, that would need some MASSIVE luck, Contador is hardly a podium candidate in these days. Froome and Porte are imo untouchable for him and likes of Valverde, Bardet, Chaves seem also stronger to me.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 08-06-2017 11:40
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Another excellent TT from Valverde. Will be interesting to see if he continues his form this season in the high mountains. If he crushes this Dauphine too then he has to be taken seriously for the Tour even with some 3 week question marks and inter team rivalry. Can't imagine how good he will be when he hits 45...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-06-2017 11:44
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ianrussell wrote:
Another excellent TT from Valverde. Will be interesting to see if he continues his form this season in the high mountains. If he crushes this Dauphine too then he has to be taken seriously for the Tour even with some 3 week question marks and inter team rivalry. Can't imagine how good he will be when he hits 45...
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:06
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ianrussell wrote:
Another excellent TT from Valverde. Will be interesting to see if he continues his form this season in the high mountains. If he crushes this Dauphine too then he has to be taken seriously for the Tour even with some 3 week question marks and inter team rivalry. Can't imagine how good he will be when he hits 45...
He has to be taken seriously already now, regardless of how well he does in the mountains in Dauphine. He has been beasting it the whole year, for some reason he seems to be even better now than probably ever. I've said it from the start this year, considering the route, his form´, Quintana's Giro attempt, Froome not looking good etc: He has a shot. And it isn'r your outside Bardet/Aru-shot, its a real one. Go look at the route - prolly couldn't be better for Valv and its pretty horrible for Froome.
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Nah, that would need some MASSIVE luck, Contador is hardly a podium candidate in these days. Froome and Porte are imo untouchable for him and likes of Valverde, Bardet, Chaves seem also stronger to me.
As I said, everybody has questions marks over them. Sure, maybe a needs more than just a little luck, but its doable. It certainly is.. Certainly stronger than Bardet and Chaves, considering the latter is coming back from a loooooooong injury pause. And Bardet's TT is atrocious, I can't really take it seriously. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:16
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
Another excellent TT from Valverde. Will be interesting to see if he continues his form this season in the high mountains. If he crushes this Dauphine too then he has to be taken seriously for the Tour even with some 3 week question marks and inter team rivalry. Can't imagine how good he will be when he hits 45...
As good as Horner
Haha 
At least he saved his beetroot inspired performance for the Vuelta.
Valverde so far this year has 14 wins (including points/mountains comps), 8 other podiums and the GC's of the Ruta Del Sol, Catalunya, Pais Vasco alongside minor wins like L-B-L and FW. Not to mention in 38 times (again including subsidiary competitions) he's only been outside the top 20 on 2 occasions! Mind you one of those was 32nd in the bunch finish on stage 2 so perhaps he's slipping...
I wonder if the Dauphine and Tour will read along similar lines, with single figure numbers only on the 2017 PCS results timeline up to the end of July.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:20
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Porte is Looking good but form on 1st June and form on 1 July are two completely different things. A good performance at the Dauphine is not an automatic Tour Win.
Froome and Wiggins are the only riders in the last 20 years to do the Dauphine/TDF double. Previous to that the last one was Indurain in 95.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:30
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ringo182 wrote:
Porte is Looking good but form on 1st June and form on 1 July are two completely different things. A good performance at the Dauphine is not an automatic Tour Win.
Froome and Wiggins are the only riders in the last 20 years to do the Dauphine/TDF double. Previous to that the last one was Indurain in 95.
Armstrong certainly also did it a couole of times.
But Froome has been very close to 100% in Dauphine previously. He has been kinda unbeatable in this race, like in the Tour. Times change. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:30
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The fuck are people talking about Contador here. Guy has been 2nd in three GCs this season, narrowly missing out on some of them. He clearly has burnt in the past too many matches in spring and is now looking to ultrapeak in July. Tour is his major goal and the last two years he had either the Giro in his legs or crashed too early to make a difference. So there is literally no way that you guys know for certain if can have the legs in peak shape to win le Tour. Mind you, looking at Quintana this Giro, Contador way stronger than him in Giro, after all he won it too. 
Regardless, ultrapeak for Tour is his approach this year and the last one, and fingers crossed it works out. But to discount Contador and say he has no chance and rather name riders who havn't won the Tour de France a single time (and Porte hasn't even podiumed a GT in ever but ofc, his form is superb so far) just basically means you are trashtalking him (strydz, avin) as usual
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:31
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ringo182 wrote:
Porte is Looking good but form on 1st June and form on 1 July are two completely different things. A good performance at the Dauphine is not an automatic Tour Win.
Froome and Wiggins are the only riders in the last 20 years to do the Dauphine/TDF double. Previous to that the last one was Indurain in 95.
Porte certainly looks capable of beating anyone this year but probably has the biggest question mark of any of the favourites in terms of his durability over the 3 weeks. Hopefully he holds it together and we get a decent contest across the board.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:36
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Shonak wrote:
The fuck are people talking about Contador here. Guy has been 2nd in three GCs this season, narrowly missing out on some of them. He clearly has burnt in the past too many matches in spring and is now looking to ultrapeak in July. Tour is his major goal and the last two years he had either the Giro in his legs or crashed too early to make a difference. So there is literally no way that you guys know for certain if can have the legs in peak shape to win le Tour. Mind you, looking at Quintana this Giro, Contador way stronger than him in Giro, after all he won it too.
Regardless, ultrapeak for Tour is his approach this year and the last one, and fingers crossed it works out. But to discount Contador and say he has no chance and rather name riders who havn't won the Tour de France a single time (and Porte hasn't even podiumed a GT in ever but ofc, his form is superb so far) just basically means you are trashtalking him (strydz, avin) as usual
So you basically say he is great whole year, nearly missing wins in majority of stage races he entered and on the other hand he took different approach and is ready to superpeak during Tour. Sorry, but that does not make sense to me. He is hardly a podium favourite for me, deal with it. He even does not have Kreuziger next to him, who usually dragged him upto climbs at Tinkoff
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Posted on 08-06-2017 12:39
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Shonak wrote:
The fuck are people talking about Contador here. Guy has been 2nd in three GCs this season, narrowly missing out on some of them. He clearly has burnt in the past too many matches in spring and is now looking to ultrapeak in July. Tour is his major goal and the last two years he had either the Giro in his legs or crashed too early to make a difference. So there is literally no way that you guys know for certain if can have the legs in peak shape to win le Tour. Mind you, looking at Quintana this Giro, Contador way stronger than him in Giro, after all he won it too.
Regardless, ultrapeak for Tour is his approach this year and the last one, and fingers crossed it works out. But to discount Contador and say he has no chance and rather name riders who havn't won the Tour de France a single time (and Porte hasn't even podiumed a GT in ever but ofc, his form is superb so far) just basically means you are trashtalking him (strydz, avin) as usual
Agree with most of this post. Hopefully Contador does the ultrapeak as you say, but he is not the type of rider who does an ultrapeak. Actually he was my favourite for the Tour win in '14 and '16 but he crashed ou in both of them. He didn't look as good as '16, never mind '14. But he can still win, Froome not looking good, Quintana wasn't impressing in Giro and tired from it, Porte can have one awful day and Valverde can have one bad day where Contador can make enough time on him to win the race.
Also saying that a top 5 would be a great result for Contador is laughable. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:43
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Well, he was not on the podium in France since overdoped year 2010 win, so yeah, top5 would be great for him...
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 08-06-2017 12:55
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Well, he was not on the podium in France since overdoped year 2010 win, so yeah, top5 would be great for him... True... |
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