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Posted on 22-11-2024 19:55
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| matt17br |
Posted on 20-05-2017 23:06
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You're Italian, I'm Italian, so I think you'll understand instantly if I hint you towards the slowness that the internet throughout the country is affected by.
I started uploading the DB and the Variants Pack on Wednesday and I've had to leave my home until tonight, and unfortunately I knew that some inconveniences would arise and in fact the upload is yet to be done. As others said though, we'll release a bugfix right after the Giro and try to crank out regular stat updates.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 21-05-2017 15:10
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matt17br wrote:
You're Italian, I'm Italian, so I think you'll understand instantly if I hint you towards the slowness that the internet throughout the country is affected by.
I started uploading the DB and the Variants Pack on Wednesday and I've had to leave my home until tonight, and unfortunately I knew that some inconveniences would arise and in fact the upload is yet to be done. As others said though, we'll release a bugfix right after the Giro and try to crank out regular stat updates.
Oh, i feel that. Since you're uploading from Italy i hope it will be available for Tour 
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 21-05-2017 20:02
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Remember, Italians are known for good pasta but not good internet.
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| LuckyLukas |
Posted on 22-05-2017 11:32
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Depending on my upload speed, anywhere between Thursday and Sunday 
Any updates on the upload progress? |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 22-05-2017 11:52
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I don't think any updates will give any certainty because Italian internet, but can only lead to more disappointment. It'll come soon, that's all we can say for now. How soon, unsure.
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| zcro |
Posted on 22-05-2017 12:23
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Whether up to a week or more than a week ? |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 22-05-2017 12:44
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a lot less than a week
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 24-05-2017 13:50
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this version has the worst case of sagan syndrome
hes fighting for grand tour gc in my save
needs to be toned down imo
i realize this is not easy to balance |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 24-05-2017 13:53
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Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
this version has the worst case of sagan syndrome
hes fighting for grand tour gc in my save
needs to be toned down imo
i realize this is not easy to balance
Yeah, we noticed him winning LBL and FW in other saves, so with the next bugfix he'll definitely take some downgrades in the climbing stats.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 14:04
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matt17br wrote:
Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
this version has the worst case of sagan syndrome
hes fighting for grand tour gc in my save
needs to be toned down imo
i realize this is not easy to balance
Yeah, we noticed him winning LBL and FW in other saves, so with the next bugfix he'll definitely take some downgrades in the climbing stats.
Yeah, sometimes it can be quite frustrating, but on the other side, it's quite nice to fight against him. You need new tactics and play your numbers game. Quite fun, I must admit.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 17:31
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I understand good that Cavendish has 81 in sprints, only 30 stage wins in Tour, 4 last year. So yes he is certainly not the best sprinter of all times.
Greipel and Kittel are definitely better, with their 11 and 9 stage wins. It can also be seen in the Giro, where Greipel is Gaviria superior. Kittel was good in two years (2013/2014) and shit all the other years. So yes does not change the fact, that 11 and 9 stage wins are much better than only 30.
Can you argue that Kittel / Greipel should be better than Cavendish? Or do you just give the riders some random numbers? In that case, it would be a good idea to look at THE RESULTS.
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-05-2017 18:11
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:08
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Thatguyeveryonehates..
Sagan has always been an eternal problem when doing stats in fact 'The Problem' we will drop his climbing stats by a point or two to see if that helps. I've yet to start playing with the new DB as I usually wait until the first bugfix comes out before starting and also this year better for me to wait until the Giro update comes out as well.
Arberg.
I've really no idea what you're jabbering on about.
Also you do realise that you can manually change the stats to your own taste? so instead of bitching why don't you get statting instead.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 24-05-2017 18:31
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:19
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Thatguyeveryonehates..
Sagan has always been an eternal problem when doing ststa in fact 'The Problem' we will drop his climbing stats by a point or two to see if that helps. I've yet to start playing with the new DB as I usually wait until the first bugfix comes out before starting and also this year better for me to wait until the Giro update comes out as well.
yes i understand
i think maybe part of the problem is that he has potential to still improve a lot more so after the first season its even worse
maybe also cap his stats with limits?
part of it is the acceleration and downhill
his are both so high he saves so much energy
right now he wins sprints all kinds of classics fights for grand tours
hes like saronni or kelly and thats not really realistic |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:20
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Arberg27 wrote:
Looking into the results when you give stats? If yes, how did you figure out that Cavendish is not the best sprinter?
Because he declined in the last years.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:22
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Tafiolmo wrote:
Arberg.
I've really no idea what you're jabbering on about.
Also you do realise that you can manually change the stats to your own taste? so instead of bitching why don't you get statting instead.
Looking into the results when you give stats? If yes, how did you figure out that Cavendish is not the best sprinter?
I would like to hear your arguments. Of course I have change it in my own. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:23
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I just got into my first offseason and I wanted to sign Eddy Merckx but I didn't find him anywhere??
You said you put in a lot of good free agents so I can't believe you missed him somehow. I mean he won the Tour FIVE times!! That's way more than Froome so I think he deserves really good stats.
He would be a great addition to my team so I hope you'll correct this mistake.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:26
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Paul23 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Looking into the results when you give stats? If yes, how did you figure out that Cavendish is not the best sprinter?
Because he declined in the last years.
Did you see Tour De France last year or are you blind? |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:28
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Arberg27 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Looking into the results when you give stats? If yes, how did you figure out that Cavendish is not the best sprinter?
Because he declined in the last years.
Did you see Tour De France last year or are you blind?
Last year...
This year:
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:36
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Paul23 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Looking into the results when you give stats? If yes, how did you figure out that Cavendish is not the best sprinter?
Because he declined in the last years.
Did you see Tour De France last year or are you blind?
Last year...
This year:
Beautiful. Try and make one with Froome and Porte. Porte is obviously much better than Froome according to your logic.
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-05-2017 18:40
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 24-05-2017 18:39
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Arberg27 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Looking into the results when you give stats? If yes, how did you figure out that Cavendish is not the best sprinter?
Because he declined in the last years.
Did you see Tour De France last year or are you blind?
Last year...
This year:
Beautiful. Try and make one with Froome and Porte. Porte is obviously much better than Froome according to your logic.
Porte is a better allrounder. You have to look where the results come from. Kittel beats Cav in alot of sprints, Porte beats Froome in hilly stages.
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