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National Championships 2016 - Route Votes
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 04-04-2017 16:55
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-04-2017 15:44
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This thread has been open nearly 3 weeks so I'm declaring nominations closed - I feel it's been an appropriate amount of time to nominate riders  |
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 08-04-2017 15:46
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-04-2017 18:54
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NC routes for this season in the spoiler. If a nation isn't listed then it means there is only one eligible rider (or in some cases zero).
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| cio93 |
Posted on 08-04-2017 21:18
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Wow, I don't think we ever won a NC but it looks like there are great opportunities* this year for Blythe, Ciolek and possibly Demare.
*read: NC AI will fuck us anyway.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 08-04-2017 21:54
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Surely Kinoshita cant lose this Japan RR. Froome isn't even riding it, so his chances look good.
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| viking90 |
Posted on 08-04-2017 21:59
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Can we do the impossible and hold the Swedish RR together and end it with a sprint for Ahlstrand... |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 08-04-2017 23:44
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Mountain in the Netherlands? Gesink about to have his second national title in three years 
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 09-04-2017 02:59
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 09-04-2017 03:00
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valverde321 wrote:
Surely Kinoshita cant lose this Japan RR. Froome isn't even riding it, so his chances look good.
I hope so, but knowing how the game's AI handles small fields like NC's it's probably more likely some random <70 OVL rider will win from a break.
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 09-04-2017 08:57
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Not that happy with the routes from key nations like Poland and Israel. Ireland should be fun though
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-04-2017 10:23
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Polanc with the possibility, Go for it!
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| matt17br |
Posted on 10-04-2017 20:15
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valverde321 wrote:
Surely Kinoshita cant lose this Japan RR. Froome isn't even riding it, so his chances look good.
Last year they ended with the good ol' break win, so I'm afraid the outcome won't be different this time around 
Wish we could do something about this, but PCM is too broken for that to happen.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 10-04-2017 21:11
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matt17br wrote:
Wish we could do something about this, but PCM is too broken for that to happen.
PCM16
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 10-04-2017 21:14
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I'm curious now.. and off topic as well 
Does PCM16 do a better job at stuff like that?
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-04-2017 21:19
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tsmoha wrote:
I'm curious now.. and off topic as well
Does PCM16 do a better job at stuff like that?
Will PCM16 ever even just get considered?
Messing up the DB massively with the mo/hi changes should weigh far more than any minor gameplay improvements.
And to add some input, I think it did in like 5% of the NCs for me in the couple of seasons I have done so far (just got it recently), small startlists still give the same outcome most of the time.
Edited by cio93 on 10-04-2017 21:21
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 10-04-2017 21:20
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PCM16 does this and that...it improves in behaviour for small n races a lot, same for breakaway realism. Instead, it has big problems with flat finishes after hilly/mountain races, as the pace slows down drastically if nobody is ahead.
The hill/mountain ratio on top is a great set-up, but not perfect in it's outcome. Instead, I like the influence of the flat stat on cobbled races and the general flaw between race specialities a lot more in PCM16 (f.e. better AI in positioning for sprinters with different strengths).
Still I guess that we'll keep 15 due to the missing popularity of PCM16. In my eyes though, PCM16 is slightly better gameplaywise. The benefit of PCM15 mostly would be less work in setting up the game with stages and graphics I guess, which should be taken into account.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 10-04-2017 21:21
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cio93 wrote:
Messing up the DB massively with the mo/hi changes should weigh far more than any minor gameplay improvements.
As stated several times before: Tests with that do not look too bad! Remember the difference between playing yourself with a notable team or playing with a control team
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-04-2017 21:23
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Croatia14 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Messing up the DB massively with the mo/hi changes should weigh far more than any minor gameplay improvements.
As stated several times before: Tests with that do not look too bad! Remember the difference between playing yourself with a notable team or playing with a control team
Possibly, I admit I haven't looked into it too much and might just go off a misconception.
Still, I would have major headaches voting for it if i owned someone like di Maggio or Cattaneo.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-04-2017 07:09
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Croatia14 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Messing up the DB massively with the mo/hi changes should weigh far more than any minor gameplay improvements.
As stated several times before: Tests with that do not look too bad! Remember the difference between playing yourself with a notable team or playing with a control team
It is such a big risk to try it in MG database that somebody trying that would be totally mad, you can fuck up the whole game and database with it. Dont do it people. 
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