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| Atlantius |
Posted on 02-04-2017 19:30
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knockout wrote:
One of my highlights of the PCT season was Valio. Feared they might fight against relegation but I'm thrilled that they managed a top half finish. Lo Cicero turned out to be a bargain. Congratz! I hope that Kulppi will do wonders for you and who knows - perhaps we can work out yet some more loan deals again 
Thanks. I'm thrilled that my plan with Lo Cicero worked out seeing as I stubbornly insist on letting the Finnish riders take some place and allowing the strongest Fin to lead despite being obviously overmatched in the division.
I'm looking very much forward to have Kulppi back and will have to do some thinking to figure out how to best make him shine a bit. I sincerely hope there will be a Finnish rider on PT level again next season!
As for thee results I'm thrilled. I set top 15 as a goal more to get the funds to go after a rider with Lo Ciceros characteristics, but thanks to him and the amazing help he got from the team, especially Vinther (thanks viking  ), we not only survived but did it comfortably achieving 3 goals along the way.
Congratulations to the promoters. You all deserve it and I'll look forward to seeing how especially Strava transition to PT.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 02-04-2017 19:59
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Alakagom wrote:
wot Aidan promoted? The division must have been shit if that happened
Ayubowan and Meji had such good teams, what happened xd
In my case I sold most of my team and brought in a load of talents instead, in the case of Meiji they decided to become all Asian and also added quite a few talents - 8th and 9th is probably about right for us |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 02-04-2017 20:35
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A middle of the pack season for us really. Valls, Bouhanni and Caruso were good but not consistent enough to make us a real threat. Overall we were never going to finish top half without a lot of luck but now we have a good base to build on for next season.
Congrats to Heine and all others who will be promoting and to those who will be in the CT next season, I hope you bounce back!
Thank you to the reporters who have had a ridiculous work load this season, you've all done a fantastic job as always!
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 02-04-2017 20:49
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jph27 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
wot Aidan promoted? The division must have been shit if that happened
Ayubowan and Meji had such good teams, what happened xd
In my case I sold most of my team and brought in a load of talents instead, in the case of Meiji they decided to become all Asian and also added quite a few talents - 8th and 9th is probably about right for us
Indeed. We will be much better next season with our all Asian squad, a couple of our talents should be able to score at PCT level now as well as Kinoshita. Ji and Shikai I'll need to think about though. Imagine if I had kept Appolonio and Franzoi though, I ended the transfer season with quite a bit of extra wage budget but I was able to find deals for them which in turn helped me train Ji which in the end didn't pay off at all.
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| tastasol |
Posted on 02-04-2017 21:35
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Love to see Heine and dev4ever go up. Huge congrats to them, and the other promoting teams! Not really sure about the disbandments from PT, but a pity that Spotify didn't manage to get top 5. So many poor results from Ahlstrand, and still so close.
In the other end, I'm sorry to see Azteca go down. I was looking forward to taking on Summerhill on the cobbles, but not looking likely now. Will be very interesting to see which team he races for next season.
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 02-04-2017 23:26
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Wow, the season is over already? Feel like Tour de France was raced yesterday.
A big kudos and shoutout to all the active reporters out there, as well as roturn taking the admin-role, which all have been doing an magnificent job leading us unto this point! 
After struggling below the relegation line more or less the whole season, it was fantastic to see Dekkers autumn schedule pay off and bring us the super important points to keep us in the division. 21th seemed impossible mid-season, but is now a fact. Absolutely delighted by Dekkers performance.
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| Heine |
Posted on 03-04-2017 07:26
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And it is offical! 
I felt I had the team for it when the season started, but was never sure until the last month  Flügel the big star, but other riders have gotten me quite some good points as well. Will be sad that I will most likely let at least Flügel and Monsalve go.
Thanks to all managers, competitors and reporters for the season. My own activity has been a bit fluttering with the arrival of family member number 4 and a lot to do at work. Hopefully it will be more stable in the future.
Also congratulations to both promoting managers and to those that barely avoided relegation. To those who relegated, you will bounce back!
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| Selwink |
Posted on 03-04-2017 11:02
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So, we ended 14th. That's about what we expected in the beginning of the season, despite having a more ambitious goal. Our cobbles department was a bit underwhelming to my taste, with Cancellara underperforming heavily at some moments. On top of that, our plan to aim for climbers did not go as expected either, due to the heavy stack of climbers that came to the PCT. Ultimately Jani did do quite decently.
What I do find a shame is that we joined so little breaks this season. Just a one or two successful breaks for us might have given us the points we would've needed for 12th place.
As for other teams, I'm glad Wiesenhof managed to promote back to PT, where they absolutely belong. The same goes for Prio as well. Also amazing performance by Strava with back-to-back direct promotions, must be quite a unique feat. Finally good to see Spotify have clumb a bit, hopefully Ahlstrand will perform the way he should next season.
For the next season, I'll be in deep trouble, with Cancellara and Brajkovic being on the decline. Will need to do something major and at the very least find me a new proper set of leaders.
Finally thanks to everyone for finishing this season and helping out in whatever way, it's still a pleasure to be in this. Especially being away for the weekend and after coming back with a finished season is a pleasant surprise
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 03-04-2017 22:25
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Thrilled to have ended in the promotion places. Finishing only second to Wiesenhof is especially flattering.
I'm very excited to go up to PT once again. Hopefully this time we can hang on more than one season
Congratulations to all promoting teams, and a word of consolation for the ones relegating. Rebuild your team and fire back next year, guys!
Apart from Wiesenhof, Strava is definitely the sensation of the year with their stellar rise through the divisions, mimicking evonik. It's a superb feat, which makes it all so rewarding to overtake you!
And last but not least, Thank you so very very much everyone who had a part in helping out with reports, startlists, organising stuff, etc. Without you guys this would never be achievable. Thank you Croatia, TMM, jph, trek, the hoyle, jandal, Matt and everyone else, but most of all the one and only roturn!
See you all in the PT next year!
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 04-04-2017 03:01
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Let the Summerhill bidding war start! (I'll resign him, have to see that the penalty for that is again, but pretty sure I'll end up on the good side).
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 04-04-2017 08:40
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Kentaurus wrote:
Let the Summerhill bidding war start! (I'll resign him, have to see that the penalty for that is again, but pretty sure I'll end up on the good side).
Is it not an option to keep him, ditch all other dramaqueen riders who ask too much and promote again with all the cobble points you'll get?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-04-2017 09:08
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Ollfardh wrote:
Kentaurus wrote:
Let the Summerhill bidding war start! (I'll resign him, have to see that the penalty for that is again, but pretty sure I'll end up on the good side).
Is it not an option to keep him, ditch all other dramaqueen riders who ask too much and promote again with all the cobble points you'll get?
Clearly depending on what kind of wage Summerhill will ask. It can be extremely difficult to control the C1-C2 cobbled stages if all other teams will not help. So it might be a very expensive gamble to keep Summerhill. But if the wage is somewhat OK, and there is still money for 1 more leader and then the rest decent 50K waged riders, then it should definately be a possibility.
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Posted on 04-04-2017 11:06
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SotD wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Kentaurus wrote:
Let the Summerhill bidding war start! (I'll resign him, have to see that the penalty for that is again, but pretty sure I'll end up on the good side).
Is it not an option to keep him, ditch all other dramaqueen riders who ask too much and promote again with all the cobble points you'll get?
Clearly depending on what kind of wage Summerhill will ask. It can be extremely difficult to control the C1-C2 cobbled stages if all other teams will not help. So it might be a very expensive gamble to keep Summerhill. But if the wage is somewhat OK, and there is still money for 1 more leader and then the rest decent 50K waged riders, then it should definately be a possibility.
Would need a very clever Transfer Season and some excellent Race Planning. Geraint boss'd it this year and was still under 500points which leaves a team needing almost 1000 to get automatic promotion. Summerhill is obviously a step up, but even then just based on the number of available races he'd struggle to get much over 700 with many C1 and an HC or two. Then all you need is bad AI in two races to come back down to 500 or less. 1000 points from 14 50k riders, it's doable but far from comfortable and a massive risk of missing promotion.
Then Danny has had a good year and wants more money and the team still has to sell a year later anyway
#optimism
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 04-04-2017 11:32
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TheManxMissile wrote:
SotD wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Kentaurus wrote:
Let the Summerhill bidding war start! (I'll resign him, have to see that the penalty for that is again, but pretty sure I'll end up on the good side).
Is it not an option to keep him, ditch all other dramaqueen riders who ask too much and promote again with all the cobble points you'll get?
Clearly depending on what kind of wage Summerhill will ask. It can be extremely difficult to control the C1-C2 cobbled stages if all other teams will not help. So it might be a very expensive gamble to keep Summerhill. But if the wage is somewhat OK, and there is still money for 1 more leader and then the rest decent 50K waged riders, then it should definately be a possibility.
Would need a very clever Transfer Season and some excellent Race Planning. Geraint boss'd it this year and was still under 500points which leaves a team needing almost 1000 to get automatic promotion. Summerhill is obviously a step up, but even then just based on the number of available races he'd struggle to get much over 700 with many C1 and an HC or two. Then all you need is bad AI in two races to come back down to 500 or less. 1000 points from 14 50k riders, it's doable but far from comfortable and a massive risk of missing promotion.
Then Danny has had a good year and wants more money and the team still has to sell a year later anyway
#optimism
I'd disagree with this analysis. Although G was pretty dominant in C2 cobbled classics, Summerhill would produce much more effectively in C1 trips. He scored 800 an odd points this season in PCT, and was considered an 'underperforming' season. Yes, less availability of HC races (wildcards apart), but CT calendar has a good smattering of C2HC and C2 cobbled races, as well as a couple of stage races Summerhill would destroy. I could easily see him get close to this years score without too much bother. Azteca already have 3 or 4 50K guys on there books who'd mop up competent CT points, as well as Summerhill's lacking cobbled back-up crew actually improving naturally through XP gains (still not top notch, but better than the past 2 seasons have been).
Would be a great story to follow, but with a competent off season, I'd likely tip Azteca for promotion (although the title would be a step too far imo).
On the other hand, Mr. Robert Bush wants me to kindly put on record that "Danny should p*ss off to the PT where he belongs!"  .
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Posted on 04-04-2017 11:38
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You're supposed to agree with me so Summerhill leaves the CT
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Posted on 04-04-2017 12:03
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He will have less race days aswell in the CT ;-) So less points and bigger risk
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Posted on 04-04-2017 18:19
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Wasn't Azteca's big problem that they are a one-man team? How is keeping Summerhill going to solve this issue when they'd lose presumably their entire base for that to happen and can't even reinvest any significant money into new riders.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 04-04-2017 23:08
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First off based on the current salary rules I'd have to find a way to keep Summerhill under 500k he was 530k this season, maybe I can get that down more. The key would be if I could also find ways to keep Beltran and Chaves who will be 79HI riders this coming season and get solid points. Beltran is also a 79MO rider as well. Quevedo might be a more realistic option (78HI on a 50k salary currently). And while Summerhill was a one man team I do have a few guys getting cobbles training this offseason also designed to support him.
That all said I just don't know that he will be a realistic option to keep, he might just take up too much salary. To put together a rest of the team that can score enough to promote right back up. I potentially could come down with a great Hills team 79-79-78 for the CT level. Beltran alone at 79MT, 79HI could dominate some of the stage races.
Summerhill would have 29RD btw (only 4 less than the 33 I get at PCT).
Edited by Kentaurus on 04-04-2017 23:15
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Posted on 05-04-2017 00:11
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If you get rid of Summerhill I imagine Beltran and Chaves, and Quevedo in hilly races they aren't present would almost be enough to go back up.
Then if the guys that were supposed t support Summerhill are decent Cobblers for the CT level that would almost put you in the top 5 before you even think about reinvesting the money you get from the sale of Danny and provided they don't ask for too much wage would be a very good base to build on for a title push.
Watching a team built solely around Summerhill would be very interesting to see if it could be pulled off. Bearing in mind that a stagiare counts as half a rider and can be a 10,000 wage, so 2 to count to a whole rider makes 20,000 as opposed to 50,000 just signing a rider would or you could loan in a guy and not pay his wage, there is some wiggle room on the wage front if you want to take that gamble.
That said, as hard as it would be to let go Summerhill who has been the identity of your team the last couple of seasons, as a manager I'd feel a lot better about promoting with Chaves, Beltran and Quevedo knowing that they could be trained to 81/81/80 the year after and that you'd almost have 3 PCT leaders on going up if you could raise the funds to do so that, than trying to have him carry us there, even if keeping him and promoting would be arguably the greater achievement, I'd prefer to play the long game and keep those 3 in the squad and use them as a strong base to build a PCT side from as they could all be secondary leaders or super domestiques at PCT level when you go back up even without training.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 05-04-2017 02:28
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That is why going down this year is so rough, because I'll have the support riders next year to be a solid squad. Just needed to survive this one and didn't.
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