Here you now have the opportunity to suggest riders to be added to the 2017 MG DB later on.
Main areas of focus are:
- Riders currently in the DB as Free Agents, who may deserve better stats
- Young riders: DoB 1993/1994/1995
- Some riders from 1996, although not the top talents
May I suggest that new riders will be added with a max stat of 79 in his highest stat? That would mean that he would have to undergo quite some training to make it to 85, which IMO is what we want. Also it can potentielle open up for some more versatile talents, and a more free training option. The first stats aren't that expensive to train, so the best talents would quickly get to 81.
SotD wrote:
May I suggest that new riders will be added with a max stat of 79 in his highest stat? That would mean that he would have to undergo quite some training to make it to 85, which IMO is what we want. Also it can potentielle open up for some more versatile talents, and a more free training option. The first stats aren't that expensive to train, so the best talents would quickly get to 81.
1. Move that to the 2017 suggestions thread I'd say.
2. This is, as discussed there, in my eyes the worst of possible attempts to stop stat inflation. It would in first line majorly decrease the opportunities of newer team, as the base of top-riders stays the same. You would at the end of the day need around 5 million to make one rider competitive, which for new teams is simply not affordable.
It would also somewhat kill parts of the flow of the transfer period. Why would you sell a captain as a PT team, when you have to pay high wage for the best talents and then even have to pay at least 5 millions to make them competitive. Transfer season would be a lot slower, and it will be far harder for teams to work their way up. Do we really want that?
Talking about getting riders to 81. That stat is almost completely useless in PT when we'll be at that point, because riders wouldn't be enough to captain a team on that point.
You can not punish these generations for the "failures" (I don't see a big problem right now) of before. We do also want the riders from 95, 96, 97 in the upcoming years to be as competitive as the former ones were, just for the sake of similar chances. We don't want a static system of old beats new, but we want dynamic chances for managers to work their way up (and down) if they are good and caring (like f.e. Evonik and Strava are). Stopping to add great new riders would heavily decrease their opportunities tod o so.
Please do answer to this in the 2017 suggestions thread, where we already discussed about regulating options, and leave this thread for what it is: Rider suggestions
Sponsor Nation Additions from Podium Ambition. Information on these riders is in incredibly short supply, limited to NC results and sometimes not even that. I just wanted to find some guys from our lesser known sponsors. But where some info was found it was used.
Feel free to mess with these suggestions as would fit the game, it's more about the rider than the type he is.
Bulgaria (ok not a sponsor nation, but still have a soft spot)
ID
Surname
First Name
FL
MO
HL
TT
ST
RS
RC
CB
SP
AC
FT
DH
PL
Nat.
Cont.
XP Lvl
XP Pts
D
M
Year
Pot
xxxx
Denev
Miroslav
74
62
64
77
65
65
66
65
60
62
70
66
77
BUL
EU
4
100
23
1
1990
4
xxxx
Filipov
Boyko
69
70
76
64
73
73
68
53
63
66
75
72
66
BUL
EU
4
100
3
10
1993
5
xxxx
Kolev
Iliyan
75
52
60
60
74
72
65
77
64
67
70
64
66
BUL
EU
4
100
16
3
1994
4
xxxx
Lilovski
Dobrin
68
67
77
66
70
70
73
54
65
73
69
71
70
BUL
EU
4
100
21
12
1995
5
xxxx
Mechkov
Vasil
65
76
73
75
70
73
75
50
60
66
64
66
73
BUL
EU
4
100
2
10
1988
4
Mechkov, being a bit older, should be added at max probably, which i guess means he should really be added a touch weaker.
Denev could come in at lvl2/3, and is a preference addition because Bulgaria really lacks in TT (Stoenchev being the best max'ing at 76).
None are great talents, just kind of breakaway types that could be outside leaders in the CT.
Mauritius
xxxx
Mayer
James
74
66
75
64
72
73
67
72
70
75
79
71
65
MAU
AFR
4
100
2
7
1991
4
xxxx
Achille
Frederic
73
60
63
58
70
72
75
60
77
81
67
62
70
MAU
AFR
4
100
2
4
1989
4
xxxx
Tyack
Sebastian
72
61
65
77
65
66
65
63
60
65
58
64
80
MAU
AFR
4
100
11
3
1994
4
xxxx
Lecourt De Billot
Olivier
76
58
68
62
75
74
65
77
68
74
76
64
66
MAU
AFR
4
100
4
6
1993
5
xxxx
Lebon
Jordan
78
64
72
65
70
70
70
73
72
74
75
66
65
MAU
AFR
4
100
29
4
1995
5
xxxx
Le Court
Kim
69
72
76
60
68
70
71
62
68
68
76
70
61
MAU
AFR
4
100
23
3
1996
5
Mayer actually looks sort of a little half decent. Get him in as a decent all-rounder which looks to match his skills. Has actually ridden a race in Europe so would be good to add.
Achille is a regular NC feature, would be good to jump in max'd but again probably drop him a touch then i guess.
Lecourt, Lebon and Le Court are not bad looking younger guys. Overrated compared to their real selves, but as breakaways talents they could be ok to be added.
Barbados
xxxx
Vanderpool
Kristian
70
65
66
80
63
64
63
60
60
63
64
63
80
BAR
NA
4
100
13
12
1995
5
xxxx
Eastmond
Jamal
72
60
60
54
64
65
65
67
80
80
54
66
70
BAR
NA
4
100
2
7
1993
5
xxxx
Elcock
Russel
68
60
70
80
69
69
70
66
62
68
66
70
80
BAR
NA
4
100
6
12
1993
5
xxxx
Kelly
Jesse
65
64
74
78
70
70
70
54
60
67
70
66
75
BAR
NA
4
100
11
3
1994
5
Kristian looks like the Islands best talent and has good NC results against much more experienced riders. Hence the obvious TT focus and boost.
Eastmond also has decent NC result. Somewhat high main stat but compensated with weak back-ups.
Elcock is a bit more all-round but his NC TT history has to be noted so a balance of HL with TT would suit.
Kelly is the same. Balance off slightly different against Elcock so one has more HL but less TT, and then one with SP and one with MT or CB would be ideal.
Anyway, as i said none are outstanding. Just want to see a few more riders come in from our sponsor areas so i've gone and tried to find them. All suggestions are max'd stats of course, and more of a guide to preferred rider type than to actual stat level.
If they get added, cool. If not, it's hardly the end of the world.
Can someone please remind me what the maximum age is for riders. I started to go through all the WT teams at the start of the season to see which riders are in the WT but not in the DB. I'll look to finish this at some point but in the mean time it would be good to rule out those that are too old to be added to the DB or have already ben in and decreased and been taken out because they got too old.
The following part is splitted into three parts: The first one is about new riders added into the game that are either surely top-prospects or real CT greats not in the DB. The second part is about young Slovenians already in the DB, but on a level that does not give them justice or lacks the focus on riders qualities. Note that none of them have ridden for a team in the man-game at any point (don't roast me if I'm wrong). The third part, a lot more controversial and thus in the spoiler, is about riders that are currently riding for Isostar - Adriatic (partly as stagiares), but are looking to be released for offseason. All three of those clearly could take another focus, as strengths of those are drawn wrong. Enjoy
DB Additions
xxxx
Novak
Domen
68
79
77
66
75
78
77
61
64
79
73
77
64
SLO
EU
4
100
12
7
1995
6
xxxx
Novak
Domen
68
77
75
66
74
77
75
61
64
77
71
76
64
SLO
EU
4
0
12
7
1995
6
xxxx
Novak
Domen
67
74
72
65
73
75
74
61
64
75
68
75
63
SLO
EU
3
0
12
7
1995
6
xxxx
Novak
Domen
67
72
70
65
72
74
72
61
64
73
66
74
63
SLO
EU
2
0
12
7
1995
6
xxxx
Novak
Domen
67
70
69
65
72
73
71
61
64
72
64
74
63
SLO
EU
1
0
12
7
1995
6
xxxx
Per
David
79
68
74
72
78
77
71
79
76
74
68
72
71
SLO
EU
4
100
13
2
1995
6
xxxx
Per
David
77
68
73
72
76
75
70
77
74
74
68
72
71
SLO
EU
4
0
13
2
1995
6
xxxx
Per
David
75
68
72
72
73
73
69
74
72
73
67
71
71
SLO
EU
3
0
13
2
1995
6
xxxx
Per
David
73
68
71
72
71
71
68
72
70
73
67
71
71
SLO
EU
2
0
13
2
1995
6
xxxx
Rogina
Radoslav
72
75
74
69
74
74
74
62
67
70
75
73
67
CRO
EU
4
100
3
3
1979
3
xxxx
Mugerli
Matej
74
71
76
73
74
74
71
71
72
72
73
73
72
SLO
EU
4
100
17
6
1981
3
David Per is somebody, on which quality and talent there simply can't be any doubt settled. The Slovenian is a great bike handler, which he did especially show with his great result on the cobbles in the U23 races last season for Slovenia, highlighting in winning the U23 edition of the Ronde van Vlaanderen. Further strong results in the early classics show both his great cobbled skills as well as his never-ending engine, that is rarely seen in similar kind on this age.
But this rider is not only an incredible engine and flat specialist, he on top is very versatile. From 3rd in the U23 TT NC, to second at GP Laguna Porec 2016, that was decided on the climbs, this man got everything inside him. His maybe most appealing asset is his sprint though, which is really good (6th stage 4 @Slovenia 2016, beating f.e. Modolo). Besides doing a lot of leadout in 2016 he prefers classics to finish in a sprint, which rounds his allround package. Taking everything together the best comparison for David Pers potential might be Alexander Kristoff.
After a rather strong U23 year at Adria Mobil the Slovenian joined WT team Bahrain-Merida this season, an impressive move for a guy that started CT cycling in 2014 for Adria Mobil as a stage racing prospect. All in all, David Per is surely one of the best of his class. He already showed that with his 3rd place in the last Elite NC of Slovenia.
I would add him on either level 2 or 3, as like that it's easier to draw the skillset that David Per offers with his strength.
Domen Novak surely is the other big thing in Slovenia. This duo makes up for the strongest duo of prospects in Slovenia until the '98 riders will come with NCup stars Primozic and Pogacar (Hello MG 2020 season ). Domen Novak as well signed a World Tour contract with Bahrain-Merida, and did the change together with Per. The two of those however completely differ in their strengths:
Domen is a climber. He can do different things, does decent in hilly one day races and also is an okay chrono guy. But what really matters is his climbing speed. Even in his young years he has won several white jerseys in his 3 years with Adria Mobil in CT: 1st @Sibiu 2014, 2nd @Bartali 2015, 1st @Slovenia 2015, 2nd @Bartali 2016, 1st@ Croatia 2016, 1st @CCC 2016, 1st @ Malopolska 2016. On top of that he achieved several more notable results in terms of GCs and stages: 3rd at Malopolska, 6th as a helper in Croatia, the mountains jersey at the CCC tour.
Minor results in hilly classics (3rd Laguna Porec or most combatitive rider at Istrian Spring Trophy) round this of and also show his attacking style of riding, that is especially drawn by a rather fast acceleration on his side. Also in 2017 he had his first showing on higher level, finishing 5th at an Andalucia stage. We'll see him competitive sooner than later in PT I feel, as another strength of him is the downhill technique, that is traditionally strong at Slovenian riders - Mohoric schools.
I would add him as a simple level 1 or 2 rider, that can develop into a great punchy climber.
Matej Mugerli just cannot be overlooked anymore, as he is a great rider and one of the best in CT for 4 years now. 21 victories since 2013 speak for itself for an allrounder, so that it's time for finally adding him into the db. The results he took for Adria, Synergy Baku and Amplatz are incredible, he mostly takes it in hilly one day races or tours though. But then, he has no weakness, and still a striking acceleration in his older legs. But then, you don't just average over 200 CQ points in CT for 5 years straight by being a mediocre rider. You do it by being a brave attacking rider and being a strong man. Mugerli is exactly that, as he already shown this year by not only winning the queen stage and the GC at the Istrian Spring Trophy, but also winning the Trofej Porec and finishing third at the GP Izola, looking stronger than he has ever looked.
Radoslav Rogina is, to be fair, an old man in cycling. But the MG could do well in doing him justice by adding him to the game for his CT success. Beneath having taken several GCs (Quinghai Lake, Sibiu, Slovenia) he is also a strong one-day racer. The reigning Croatian national road race champion has a more than decent climbing game on his side, with which he for example also finished second at the GP Kranj last year. Several more results like 5th at the growing Tour of Croatia back that up. One hommage for the old-fashioned attacking climber would do Rogina justice.
DB Adjustions
*the first row is always how the rider currently looks in the db
5676
Pavlic
Marko
68
67
67
66
67
69
68
63
68
68
69
70
68
SLO
EU
2
0
9
2
1993
4
5676
Pavlic
Marko
68
70
69
66
67
69
68
63
68
69
69
70
68
SLO
EU
2
0
9
2
1993
4
5676
Pavlic
Marko
69
76
73
72
71
73
74
63
68
70
70
70
74
SLO
EU
4
100
9
2
1993
4
611
Rucigaj
Ziga
65
51
59
67
66
65
63
62
59
63
65
63
68
SLO
EU
1
0
10
11
1995
4
611
Rucigaj
Ziga
72
65
68
67
71
72
63
62
66
68
65
69
68
SLO
EU
1
0
10
11
1995
4
611
Rucigaj
Ziga
73
65
68
68
72
73
64
62
66
68
66
69
69
SLO
EU
2
0
10
11
1995
4
611
Rucigaj
Ziga
75
65
69
70
73
75
65
62
66
68
67
69
71
SLO
EU
3
0
10
11
1995
4
611
Rucigaj
Ziga
77
66
70
72
75
77
67
62
66
68
69
69
73
SLO
EU
4
0
10
11
1995
4
611
Rucigaj
Ziga
79
66
71
74
76
79
68
62
66
68
70
69
75
SLO
EU
4
100
10
11
1995
4
597
Otonicar
Martin
66
53
61
69
69
65
60
60
67
70
72
72
70
SLO
EU
1
0
8
5
1994
4
597
Otonicar
Martin
72
53
64
69
69
69
60
65
67
70
72
72
70
SLO
EU
1
0
8
5
1994
4
597
Otonicar
Martin
73
53
64
70
70
69
61
65
68
70
72
72
71
SLO
EU
2
0
8
5
1994
4
597
Otonicar
Martin
75
53
64
72
71
71
62
65
69
71
72
72
73
SLO
EU
3
0
8
5
1994
4
597
Otonicar
Martin
77
53
65
74
73
72
64
65
71
72
72
72
75
SLO
EU
4
0
8
5
1994
4
597
Otonicar
Martin
79
53
65
76
74
74
65
65
72
73
72
72
77
SLO
EU
4
100
8
5
1994
4
5684
Miskulin
Jure
66
58
62
60
63
66
61
61
68
69
60
63
67
SLO
EU
1
0
5
11
1994
3
5684
Miskulin
Jure
70
58
68
60
63
66
61
61
70
71
60
63
67
SLO
EU
1
0
5
11
1994
4
5684
Miskulin
Jure
71
58
68
60
64
66
62
62
71
72
60
63
67
SLO
EU
2
0
5
11
1994
4
5684
Miskulin
Jure
73
58
68
60
65
66
63
63
73
74
60
63
67
SLO
EU
3
0
5
11
1994
4
5684
Miskulin
Jure
75
59
69
60
67
67
65
65
75
76
60
64
67
SLO
EU
4
0
5
11
1994
4
5684
Miskulin
Jure
77
59
69
60
68
67
66
66
77
78
60
64
67
SLO
EU
4
100
5
11
1994
3
5687
Groselj
Ziga
62
52
60
69
63
65
66
53
54
60
62
60
70
SLO
EU
2
0
31
8
1993
3
5687
Groselj
Ziga
70
65
70
69
66
65
66
53
74
74
62
68
70
SLO
EU
3
0
31
8
1993
3
5687
Groselj
Ziga
72
65
71
70
67
67
67
53
76
76
62
68
72
SLO
EU
4
0
31
8
1993
3
5687
Groselj
Ziga
74
65
71
70
67
68
68
53
78
78
62
68
73
SLO
EU
4
100
31
8
1993
3
5293
Bajc
Andi
73
67
74
68
73
71
72
63
74
74
67
65
67
SLO
EU
4
100
14
11
1988
4
Pavlic has shown some decent climbing skills in the past. With Radenska Ljubljana his success in stage races has been decent, for instance looking at his success at the Course de la Paix or in the young riders classification of the Tour of Slovenia. Adding a decent TT to his game, as for example shown at the Slovenian NC TT, he was added by Peter Sagans training camps to the Cycling Academy Team. Sagan can't be wrong with talents right!? There he had an injury-prone year though, in which he still managed to surprise though at the Tour of Croatia with a Top 20 against strong opponence. At least his game developed over the year in Israel, from where he with the departure of Sagan also disappeared, and instead rides in Slovenia again. There he looks better and better after his tough last year, and after a good showing at the Istrian Spring Trophy he could well turn onto developing to what he is: A decent Stage Racing Prospect.
Rucigaj has been added in what most likely has been a rush last year. Yes, he is a decent chrono guy like in the db, but he can be so much more of that. Rucigaj often does a great job in pulling for a long time in the peloton and equally does rough attacks. His roleur abilities already are on great CT level, and what he might become is that Tyler Phinney (without that injury) like painful hammer on the flat. Pairing that up with his developping position on the TT bike and the decent strength over mountains (he looks like Hesjedal while climbing, not asthetic but powerful), he might even have some shot at minor GC riding (like shown at the Tour of Slovenia 2016 (4th U25) or the Tour of Croatia 2016 (6th U25), but the big potential lays in his flat speed. With that he already has found some decent results (1st Youth @Tour of Hungary 2016), and it will be even more interesting when he takes part in more international flat classics in the future. My suggestion is to put him in on level 1 with the potential to become a WT roleur.
Otonicar goes in a similar direction to Rucigaj, he is a powerhouse as well. This man is not able to climb properly for certain, but is equally talented in putting the watts on flat roads. And on top, Otonicar offers even more strength in the time trial section. There he already found a decent position for himself and feels comfortable, for both longer and even more shorter TTs (3rd Prologue Hungary 2016, 5th NC ITT Slovenia 2016). He's a tad better in there, what is perfectly reprsented in being that slightly more kicky finesseur than the former (3rd Stage 1 Tour of Bulgaria 2016). He offers a decent speed to lead riders out, which is exactly what he does for Slovenias national equipe Sava currently, which brought guys like Mezgec out in the past. Can the former Junior star (4th @Junior Paris Roubaix, several more junior results) turn into a great finesseur? I guess so. I'd advice to adjust his stats but keep him at level 1.
Miskulin is one sprinter, that would need some focus on the energy he offers. Jure can do great leadouts, but on the same way sprint hard. Even hills don't really bother him, and when it comes to his abilities he might be a great bet for the future if he continues to develop at Radenska like he does (5th @Croatia Stage, 4th @ Bihor stage). He likes it windy to play his short effort flat strength. What really turns him down though is the horrible endurance he offers. It's strange how a rider that is that strong on the flat and not too bad over short climbs struggles so often with DNFs in races that point on the Stamina/Resistance of a rider. Still, Miskulin can be a great sprinter for tough sprints on short stages/races.
Groselj has newly found a new team, in signing with Adria Mobil. Looking at how many WT riders this team has brought on in the latest time and at the development of Ziga last season he could well be one of the next. In 2016 Groselj had a major turn of speed, sprinting to several top 10s in one-day races (Belgrade - Banja Luka, Marmo, Laguna Porec). Major results for the man that does well over the hills though were the Tour de Slovenie Stage 4 and the third place at Croatia - Slovenia, at the end of the season, which showed his late development. This Mezgec type of sprinter could in the future turn out exactly as his comparison model does.
Bajc is a loyal punchy sprinter of Amplatz - BMC, that scores constantly on CT level. He could take a small increase in terms of punchy speed, given his good results in 2016 (Rad am Ring, Slovenian NC, Istrian Spring Trophy, GP Adria Mobil, Laguna Porec, Tour of Iran) and 2017 (Istrian Spring Trophy) on these kinds of terrains, to be a helpful mg-leadout for punchy sprinters.
Isostar Rider Adjustions
I am aware of the fact that riders can only be new-statted when they are FAs, but this is exactly how stuff looks like for the offseason currently. Please take into account that Estonia will play a bigger role for Isostar next season as secondary nation, which however did only have influence on the riders which upgrades are suggested to and not on the expression of those updates.
5832
Korosec
Rok
64
63
65
67
65
69
65
62
71
71
67
68
70
SLO
EU
2
0
24
11
1993
5
5832
Korosec
Rok
70
69
72
67
65
69
65
62
71
71
67
68
70
SLO
EU
3
0
24
11
1993
5
5832
Korosec
Rok
71
70
75
68
68
70
66
62
72
73
69
69
71
SLO
EU
4
0
24
11
1993
5
5832
Korosec
Rok
72
71
77
68
70
71
67
62
73
75
70
69
71
SLO
EU
4
100
24
11
1993
5
7004
Räim
Mihkel
69
62
67
61
69
70
75
67
76
75
58
68
74
EST
EU
4
0
3
7
1993
6
7004
Räim
Mihkel
76
62
70
61
69
74
75
67
76
75
58
74
74
EST
EU
4
0
3
7
1993
6
7004
Räim
Mihkel
78
62
71
61
70
76
76
67
78
77
58
74
76
EST
EU
4
100
3
7
1993
6
7006
Nommela
Aksel
68
57
66
58
67
69
62
63
74
74
68
66
65
EST
EU
3
0
22
10
1994
4
7006
Nommela
Aksel
72
57
66
58
71
73
62
63
74
74
68
73
65
EST
EU
3
0
22
10
1994
4
7006
Nommela
Aksel
74
57
67
58
73
74
71
65
76
76
68
74
65
EST
EU
4
0
22
10
1994
4
7006
Nommela
Aksel
76
57
67
58
74
74
72
66
78
78
68
74
65
EST
EU
4
100
22
10
1994
4
Korosec is one guy that surely needs an upgrade, and this would be possible as the (with his current stats) stagiare will be released by his current team. Since the MG addition the Slovenian has developed to be so much more than the clean sprinter he is in the db. Instead, Rok Korosec now is what looks like one of the most talented punchy sprinters (and hidden gems) in the cycling world. After an outstanding year 2016, where he took the transition from being a sprinter with a good punch to a puncheur with a good sprint. The late kickstarter had some major success with the small talent squad Radenska Ljubljana (Top 10 in Umag, Porec, GP Adria Mobil, NCITT, Bihor, several Hongrie stages; stage win + 2nd points + 5th overall in Hungary; KOM @Bihor), and then went on to Amplatz-BMC. There he is to take the role of Tratnik, and he did perfectly by continuing the development beating one of the best CT punchy sprinters in Filippo Fortin for the win at Trofej Umag. If many of those results come, he might end up being one WT punchy sprinter once.
Adjusting him in the DB will be kind of tricky to not overpower his sprint by shifting to the puncheurs focus. I would suggest to bring him to level 3, and to do the easy shift there with a 72 Hill stat added to his 71 sprint. He also needs a major allround upgrade of course to do his wide open skillset justice.
Räim took several results on hard races into his account of results since his addition. Beneath the traditional strength on flat roads of estonian cyclists (shut up Taaramae), Räim especially impressed by his Top 10 on the rough Tro Bro-Leon. Several performances and great results on races followed, and it was especially his power power on the flat that gave him those (12th @Schaal Sels, stages & GC @Hongrie, 2 Stages @Beauce, 3rd @Saguenay, 3rd @ Tour of Estonia, 1st @ Estonian RR NC). His crowing start to his PCT adventure now was the big one the Ruta del Sol 2017, where he finished 6th on a flat stage. Racing all those flat classics for the first time this season will make him even better, so a major increase of flat abilities would draw the strengths of Mihkel a lot better. That also includes a better flat stat based on the success he had on hilly stages shown in the results.
Nommela takes the same aim but different foundation based of results. He is as well a far better flat rider than shown in the db, which is my aim to take away by finding an upgrade for him. From the Drenthe Top 10 to several Top10s at the .2 flat belgian rough classics at the end of the season Nommela has shown that he has that racing toughness that is needed to be a strong man as a leadout or sprinter himself. Beneath the shiny palmares especially that 12th place at Binche-Chimay-Binche from an incredibly tough 2016 edition spots out, as only elite flat riders could beat him there. Translating that into the man-game would be a perfect fit, as his results and especially his style of racing does suggest that.
Spoiler
On a final note: Nommela and Räim are also aimed from a point of gameplay view: With those current flat stats it would not make any sense to use them on a higher level than CT, as that would break leadouts and they are far from being strong enough to sprint. Being the only real competitive riders from Estonia reachable, it would be great to see them adjusted from a gameplay point of view, especially as that would mostly concern minor stats. I see why riders that have already ridden for a team might should not be updated, but I guess it's worth a try as those updates would also make sense from a realistic point of view to draw their strengths. I hope that for Korosec his stay as stagiare doesn't matter for the decision process, as he was honestly (sorry for that) just a national filler for the team.
Feel free to feedback with concerns and honest opinions, a second wave might come later this season if some worthy new riders from our focus regions are spotted.
Any chance we can add the stat line aswell? It might just be me, but I have a hard time getting a quick look at the riders when I'm unsure as if they have 77 COB/SPR/ACC. I can obviously just count, and doublecheck, but when we are making the copy/paste setup, maybe we could add that - just as a service? Atleast for semi blind old men like myself
sammyt93 wrote:
Can someone please remind me what the maximum age is for riders. I started to go through all the WT teams at the start of the season to see which riders are in the WT but not in the DB. I'll look to finish this at some point but in the mean time it would be good to rule out those that are too old to be added to the DB or have already ben in and decreased and been taken out because they got too old.
Next season the oldest riders will have been born in 1980 - so Croatia's suggestion of Rogina is moot, and I think Mugerli as well is probably too old to be edited.
SotD wrote:
Any chance we can add the stat line aswell? It might just be me, but I have a hard time getting a quick look at the riders when I'm unsure as if they have 77 COB/SPR/ACC. I can obviously just count, and doublecheck, but when we are making the copy/paste setup, maybe we could add that - just as a service? Atleast for semi blind old men like myself
I'm probably going to put together the stats posted here in a Google Sheets file and put it in the first post - that way everyone has access to a DB style view of the suggestions - if that helps?
Second round of suggestions. From not sponsor nations but related ones (i.e. nice tropical islands )
Similar to before, riders that won't amount to much if anything irl, but i think could be ince alternatives. Stats are just a rough idea but arn't crucial, more about getting the rider in than as a certain type.
ID
Surname
First Name
FL
MO
HL
TT
ST
RS
RC
CB
SP
AC
FT
DH
PL
Nat.
Cont.
XP Lvl
XP Pts
D
M
Year
Pot
xxxx
Henry
Clint
64
73
77
70
65
65
65
53
63
70
63
65
67
ANT
NA
4
100
6
1
1991
5
xxxx
Wendell
Anthony
67
70
76
71
70
70
70
50
61
66
74
70
70
ANT
NA
4
100
12
10
1992
4
xxxx
Chapman
Assim
65
76
73
60
63
72
64
50
60
71
75
76
57
Kitts
NA
4
100
21
8
1994
4
xxxx
Richard
Jordan
71
63
75
60
69
69
65
52
67
72
73
70
65
Lucia
NA
4
100
22
9
1993
3
xxxx
Marius
Kerry
74
58
61
76
62
72
65
70
61
63
60
66
76
Lucia
NA
4
100
11
1
1987
3
xxxx
Bailey
Trevor
76
66
73
63
73
71
70
73
70
71
79
63
65
Vincent
NA
4
100
11
10
1991
3
xxxx
Adams
Cameron
70
64
64
60
70
70
72
66
77
82
65
70
76
Vincent
NA
4
100
12
10
1995
5
xxxx
Arrisol
Dominic
71
65
75
77
66
73
67
59
62
69
66
59
75
Seychelles
AFR
4
100
5
8
1992
5
xxxx
Larue
Xerxes
69
72
76
75
73
70
70
67
65
70
72
72
74
Seychelles
AFR
4
100
3
5
1996
5
Henry and Wendell from Antigua & Barbuda. Slightly older than most young rider additions, so add at lvl2 or 3 i think. Both have some mixed results between TT and Road so hence the more balance.
Chapman was the best nomination from St Kitts and Nevis, bit random in his choice. Suggest as mountain because i hadn't suggest many climbers.
Marius either should come in max'd or not at all. Richard bit all-round in his stats because his results are hard to find (like a lot of these guys).
Similar for Bailey and Adams. Bailey is again a touch older, so add at lvl2 or 3.
Larue on the younger side so could wait to be added, but given an all-round set to provide some options to the lucky manager.
Just some thoughts on different riders from non-standard cycling nations. I'd be happy if a couple made it, not make or break to have all of them.
First batch of suggestions from me, all riders that are already in the DB and are reasonably well known/have notable results in the past year. First line is their current stats, second line is my suggested edit - all would be edited to become maxed riders.
Here's a little something. Cyrile Thiery is a new addition that has had a pretty good year. Stussi has as well, and I think he deserves a stat boost. I put Lukas Jaun in for a stat boost because Switzerland is losing a lot of the aging rider now, so we need some replacements. I also have Gregory Daniel in for boost because he is a pretty huge talent in the states, he won nationals solo last year against a bunch of adults.
Isostar - Adriatic: New Riders Suggestions - Part 2
This is the second part of the Isostar intake suggestions. Please note that with the high focus on Estonia as secondary nation a wider pool of riders would be very warm welcomed. This time they even come with shortcuts for an easier spotting of the stats
FL
MO
HI
TT
ST
RS
RC
CB
SP
AC
FT
DH
PRL
xxxx
Mäoma
Silver
72
58
63
69
69
72
65
68
69
69
63
68
70
EST
EU
1
0
16
5
1995
5
xxxx
Mäoma
Silver
73
58
63
71
70
73
66
68
70
70
64
68
72
EST
EU
2
0
16
5
1995
5
xxxx
Mäoma
Silver
75
58
63
73
71
75
68
68
71
71
65
68
74
EST
EU
3
0
16
5
1995
5
xxxx
Mäoma
Silver
77
58
64
76
73
76
70
68
73
72
67
69
77
EST
EU
4
0
16
5
1995
5
xxxx
Mäoma
Silver
79
58
64
78
74
78
72
68
74
73
68
69
79
EST
EU
4
100
16
5
1995
5
3188
Pruus
Peeter
75
73
72
73
71
73
72
69
72
73
68
76
74
EST
EU
4
100
16
9
1989
5
xxxx
Kalf
Steven
72
60
67
67
69
69
68
68
68
70
63
68
67
EST
EU
1
0
21
4
1995
4
xxxx
Kalf
Steven
73
60
67
67
70
70
68
69
69
70
63
68
67
EST
EU
2
0
21
4
1995
4
xxxx
Kalf
Steven
74
60
67
67
72
71
69
71
70
70
63
68
67
EST
EU
3
0
21
4
1995
4
xxxx
Kalf
Steven
76
60
68
67
74
73
70
73
72
71
64
68
67
EST
EU
4
0
21
4
1995
4
xxxx
Kalf
Steven
77
60
68
67
76
74
71
75
73
71
64
68
67
EST
EU
4
100
21
4
1995
4
xxxx
Kivistik
Gert
71
65
70
65
68
69
65
69
68
73
67
72
64
EST
EU
1
0
3
12
1995
3
xxxx
Kivistik
Gert
72
65
70
65
69
69
65
70
68
73
67
72
64
EST
EU
2
0
3
12
1995
3
xxxx
Kivistik
Gert
73
65
70
65
70
70
65
72
69
73
68
72
64
EST
EU
3
0
3
12
1995
3
xxxx
Kivistik
Gert
75
65
71
65
72
72
66
74
71
74
71
73
64
EST
EU
4
0
3
12
1995
3
xxxx
Kivistik
Gert
76
65
71
65
73
73
66
76
72
74
72
73
64
EST
EU
4
100
3
12
1995
3
xxxx
Vaidem
Josten
65
68
68
57
66
70
61
64
64
72
64
79
57
EST
EU
1
0
22
8
1994
5
xxxx
Vaidem
Josten
65
70
69
57
66
71
62
64
64
73
65
79
57
EST
EU
2
0
22
8
1994
5
xxxx
Vaidem
Josten
65
72
71
57
67
72
64
64
64
75
67
79
57
EST
EU
3
0
22
8
1994
5
xxxx
Vaidem
Josten
66
75
74
58
68
73
66
64
64
77
70
80
58
EST
EU
4
0
22
8
1994
5
xxxx
Vaidem
Josten
66
77
76
58
69
74
68
64
64
79
72
80
58
EST
EU
4
100
22
8
1994
5
xxxx
Hallop
Greg
67
53
58
56
69
68
59
68
70
69
56
66
56
EST
EU
1
0
19
12
1995
4
xxxx
Hallop
Greg
68
53
58
56
70
68
60
69
71
70
56
66
56
EST
EU
2
0
19
12
1995
4
xxxx
Hallop
Greg
70
53
58
56
71
68
61
70
73
72
56
66
56
EST
EU
3
0
19
12
1995
4
xxxx
Hallop
Greg
72
53
59
56
73
69
67
72
75
74
56
67
56
EST
EU
4
0
19
12
1995
4
xxxx
Hallop
Greg
74
53
59
56
74
69
71
73
77
76
56
67
56
EST
EU
4
100
19
12
1995
4
7000
Nisu
Oskar
65
52
57
65
68
65
67
61
65
64
53
60
67
EST
EU
1
0
11
8
1994
3
7000
Nisu
Oskar
69
52
57
71
68
65
67
61
68
68
53
60
71
EST
EU
1
0
11
8
1994
3
7000
Nisu
Oskar
70
52
57
72
69
65
68
61
68
68
53
60
72
EST
EU
2
0
11
8
1994
3
7000
Nisu
Oskar
71
52
57
74
70
66
69
61
69
69
53
60
74
EST
EU
3
0
11
8
1994
3
7000
Nisu
Oskar
73
52
57
76
72
67
70
61
70
70
53
60
76
EST
EU
4
0
11
8
1994
3
7000
Nisu
Oskar
74
52
57
78
73
68
71
61
71
71
53
60
78
EST
EU
4
100
11
8
1994
3
3189
Aia
Karlo
67
67
69
66
68
66
60
50
53
72
71
67
66
EST
EU
4
100
18
8
1990
3
3189
Aia
Karlo
76
67
69
66
68
66
60
50
72
77
71
67
66
EST
EU
4
100
18
8
1990
3
xxxx
Tarvis
Peeter
75
68
69
62
71
72
64
69
64
73
61
66
59
EST
EU
3
0
24
12
1993
4
xxxx
Tarvis
Peeter
77
68
70
62
72
73
65
71
64
73
63
67
59
EST
EU
4
0
24
12
1993
4
xxxx
Tarvis
Peeter
78
68
72
62
74
74
66
73
64
73
66
67
59
EST
EU
4
100
24
12
1993
4
xxxx
Kuljus
Viljar
77
52
63
73
74
77
67
54
74
73
68
63
72
EST
EU
4
100
29
12
1984
3
xxxx
Svab
Jernej
69
67
68
56
68
68
65
66
69
71
61
67
54
SLO
EU
1
0
26
8
1995
4
xxxx
Svab
Jernej
69
67
69
56
69
69
65
66
69
72
62
67
54
SLO
EU
2
0
26
8
1995
4
xxxx
Svab
Jernej
70
68
71
56
71
70
66
66
69
73
63
67
54
SLO
EU
3
0
26
8
1995
4
xxxx
Svab
Jernej
71
69
74
57
73
71
67
66
70
75
65
68
55
SLO
EU
4
0
26
8
1995
4
xxxx
Svab
Jernej
72
70
76
57
75
72
68
66
70
76
66
68
55
SLO
EU
4
100
26
8
1995
4
xxxx
Logar
Tadej
66
69
69
56
65
66
62
54
69
68
60
68
56
SLO
EU
2
0
17
1
1994
4
xxxx
Logar
Tadej
66
71
71
56
65
67
63
54
69
70
62
68
56
SLO
EU
3
0
17
1
1994
4
xxxx
Logar
Tadej
67
73
73
56
66
68
65
54
69
72
64
69
56
SLO
EU
4
0
17
1
1994
4
xxxx
Logar
Tadej
67
75
75
56
66
69
66
54
69
74
66
69
56
SLO
EU
4
100
17
1
1994
4
xxxx
Poljanec
Miha
74
68
69
63
67
69
66
70
70
73
69
74
63
SLO
EU
1
0
30
5
1995
2
xxxx
Poljanec
Miha
74
68
70
63
68
69
66
70
70
73
69
74
63
SLO
EU
2
0
30
5
1995
2
xxxx
Poljanec
Miha
74
68
71
63
69
70
67
70
70
74
70
74
63
SLO
EU
3
0
30
5
1995
2
xxxx
Poljanec
Miha
75
69
73
63
71
71
68
70
71
76
71
74
63
SLO
EU
4
0
30
5
1995
2
xxxx
Poljanec
Miha
75
69
74
63
72
72
69
70
71
77
72
74
63
SLO
EU
4
100
30
5
1995
2
Mäoma: Silver Mäoma is by far the strongest Estonian talent of 1995, and will be the one until the likes of Lauk and Kiiskonen are old enough. He is one big prospect for flat races, especially when Time Trials are on the way, no matter if shorter or longer. This strength was perfectly shown at the Baltic Chain Tour 2016, where Silver won the opening prologue to finish third overall and in the white jersey. He achieved that also by Top10ing both other stages, one that was ripped apart in the winds (2nd) and one that was fought out in a rough sprint (9th). He on top already finished in second in the national TT championship, and will surely win this race in the future. Further success where European and World Championships U23 as well as several young riders classification positions and the 2nd place in a windy flat Estonian road race. Not only his pure power is remarkable though, he also adds some fantastic speed to it. This combination already brought him several podiums on the French national series (f.e. wins at Pays Roannais or Entre Brenne). He also took great results in international young riders chronos, like the podium at the Carpathian Couriers race. This year his stong results did continue in the French elite series, and surely those will be translated to higher level in the future.
Pruus: The Estonian captain can do it on every terrain. Not only constantly Top10ing in time trials, he also is the GC captain of the CT team Rietumu. Thus he took several great results, preferring hard flat stages though. His best winning spot though is from surviving hard mountains in an elite reduced group, and then strike on flat/downhill finishes. On top he contest often for Top10s in sprints of .2 races or even .1 stages.
Kalf: Steven Kalf currently is in his third year as an Amateur in France, a way that several Baltic talents took. After some consistent top 10 finishes in national events he was able to Top 5 even at the Tour du Bays de Bearn. Lateron he also Top10d in both NC RR & TT, which shows his current allround game. Looking into the future though it is projected that Kalf develops into a strongman, that can rip races apart when it’s ugly to race. That includes a faible for cobbles, as seen as he is part of this years Estonian national U23 squad for the flat & cobbled U23 classics. With a decent sprint on his side he could well turn into a decent flat/cobbled powerhouse, similar to a rider like a Stuyven.
Kivistik: Having already ridden U23 classics, Kivistik is the kind of more experienced cobbler of the duo Kalf/Kivistik. Coming from CX he has got that slightly bigger trained cobbled skills, pointing at his qualities in downhill riding, accelerating and also punching. What he instead lacks in comparison is parts of the engine room of Kalf as well as not being exactly that tough on the hard winds, but still a typical strong Estonian rider in windy situations. The results though prove the strength of Kivistik, he found himself in the top 10 in several flat and bumpy classics, holding on to the best but not exactly having the speed for competing for the Top10.
Vaidem: Another rider that is coming from CX, yet Josten Vaidem is completely different to Kivistik. In what looks like the strongest climbing talent since Taaramae & Kangert, the Estonian youngster has shown incredible bike handling skills in his young career. There he already finished in the Top5 of the national CX in 2015, and since then he’s become an outstanding descender. To get to use to that though he has to climb up those high mountains, and he does that with some great watts and decent resistance. Adding to that he has a strong punch he has shown in several hilly national events in France. His climbing skills were already shown on higher level at l’Avenir 2015, but it also has shown his biggest weakness: Recovery. If a stage race goes over several days or longer distance, Vaidem gets worse and worse. He also does not good at time trialling, and doesn’t seem to do so any time soon. But for short and steep races, his punchy climbing style could be a perfect fit, and his outstanding downhill abilities perfectly add to that.
Hallop: What Hallop can do is push the tempo in the flat. What he can to is leading out sprints really well. What he also can do is going for himself in tough races, such as winning Souvenir Lois-Nucera-Nice in 2016. What he sadly can not do is survive climbs or even hills, and neither is he a proper time trial. Instead, this flat engine is a good leadout to have in sprints or semi-classics, which is exactly what he should do in the MG.
Nisu: One of the bigger TT hopes of Estonia, actually the #2 behind Mäoma currently. He already finished fourth in the NC TT for two years straight, and also competed strong in the opening TTs of the Baltic Chain Tour and the ZLM Tour. On easy flat stages he is able to compete as well, seen with his second at GP Domjean or his 4th at the GP Troiville as well as several more Top10s in French and Estonian national events. What the Estonian really lacks though is a versatile skillset, as he doesn’t do cobbles, time trials, hills or climbs on a decent level. However, he is a decent sprinter, which might make him an okay leadout and time trial specialist for the MG.
Aia: The cyclist in his best age is riding for Chinese CT teams for several years, where he does great by padding on the flat and attacking races. Perfect evidence for these skills, that are contrary to his shown in the MG currently, are his win at the short Tallin Kriterium he took with a flat attack, as well as several 5-15 places in both Estonian and Asian NE races that were short, flat and high paced.
Tarvis: Peeter Tarvis would be one of the older generation additions, being from 1993. After riding as a flat domestique for Rietumu he turned back to Estonian Cycling at Amateur team Estonia2915, wher he showed some decent results in the national criterium series, by doing numerous attacks on the flat. In 2016 he also did some outside racing for the Estonian national teams, and thus he showed his versatility with decent rides at f.e. the Minsk Cup or the Velothon Wales. He could be added as a flat puller with decent back-ups.
Kuljus: You wouldn’t believe the story of Viljar Kuljus if it wasn’t true. The starting goalkeeper of Vatseliina FC Tannem started competitive cycling at 2016. And what a time he is having there, winning a national event against professional cyclist straight away. He directly came close to a Top 10 in both NCs doing the RR and TT riding for the Rein Taaramae Rattaklubi. In the initial youth factory of the professional cyclist he is that strange guy who found his talent in cycling very late. Too late for the man-game? I know that his current palmares doesn’t justify the stats, but we can’t add a 32 year old on lvl 1-2 can we?
Svab: The young puncheur riding for the Slovenian Amateur Team KK Kranj already has seen three successful years as cyclist. Eventhough he is that young, Jernej has had success in several hilly .2 One Day Races in Bosnia, Slovenia and further around the Balkan. He can not offer the top notch results, but that is because he always has been the domestique. Surely he can become a hilly domestique on a higher level though in the future, as his hill and decent sprint together make up for a classical punchy domestique.
Logar: The teammate of Svab, Tadej Logar, is a very similar rider. Good worker over the hills, though a lot more targeting the climbs than Svab. In further comparisons he offers also a decent sprint, though not strong enough to compete with the best. Furthermore he lacks the abilities to go over distance for a long time. But, on the interesting side, Logar can develop into a solid uphill domestique if he continues his way.
Poljanec: Former Sava rider Miha Poljanec still is at the beginning of a long career, that sees him as a great allrounder. He surely has some upside on both hilly and flat terrain, and already does well as seen at the bumpy GP Kranj in 2016. In addition, he is a decent young allrounder that might make it far in terms of domestique duties on every terrain.
Hopefully you see some of the points I made here, and we find many of those young Estonians and Slovenians in the Man-Game next season. Limes are up for grabs.
The list in this spoiler is every rider signed to a season long contract on a WT team, not currently in the MGDB. They are sorted youngest to oldest so the first few might be too strong to be added until a year or 2's time and the least few would only get a year or 2 but could still be useful to fill a gap whilst we wait for a talent to be old enough to enter the DB.
There's a lot of riders there that would be good additions, I'll leave stat suggestions to guys that would benefit from the addition of these riders but hopefully this list will stop them getting overlooked by people thinking they are already in the DB.
Additionaly I found these guys below that are too old for the DB but I find it interesting that there are still some strong riders here, I appreciate these guys are obviously outliers from their age group to still be strong enough to contribute to WT teams but still found in interesting there were guys of value at that age. To me it proves that the age riders drop out the DB is still right but considering how there is quite a few 1980 guys above and how it drops off after.
A lot of those guys were in the DB and have since been deleted because they lost teams. Most average riders decline to the point of uselessness by the time their 35-36 years old in man game. It's just the way it is.
I also have to say again that while I appreciate the effort some people are putting into finding these older riders, I still strongly disagree with the idea that we should be toying with rider's stats to reflect real life after the fact of being added to the DB. It not only ruins the whole mystique for me, but when the game revolved around an XP/decline system, adding a skilled guy above the decline age, however realistic, can only cause trouble in DB balance. That's just my opinion.
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baseballlover312 wrote:
A lot of those guys were in the DB and have since been deleted because they lost teams. Most average riders decline to the point of uselessness by the time their 35-36 years old in man game. It's just the way it is.
I also have to say again that while I appreciate the effort some people are putting into finding these older riders, I still strongly disagree with the idea that we should be toying with rider's stats to reflect real life after the fact of being added to the DB. It not only ruins the whole mystique for me, but when the game revolved around an XP/decline system, adding a skilled guy above the decline age, however realistic, can only cause trouble in DB balance. That's just my opinion.
Whilst true I can see some merit for it for nations where in general their current riders are aging and their talents are too young to be added with good stats now, as a way of just tiding them over for a year or 2 until the talents can be added. If Bohli and Spengler were the same age as Muller then adding back Albasini and Elmiger for example would have allowed the existing Swiss teams to still be competitive and would have meant that riders are getting replaced rather than having a lull of no talent for a couple of seasons.
Plus with the number of 1980 and 1981 guys not in the DB but on WT teams plus the ones still on teams in the DB like Boonen, Valverde, Cummings, Cancellara (who now retired was still at a WT team start of last Mg Season) Rogers (1979, released by Oz last year, was at a WT team start of previous MG season) it might be worth looking at the age decline and changing how it works so it lasts longer but is less harsh season to season.
I'm not saying it should definitely be changed but I think there is at least a discussion to be had about it even if we chose to stick with how it is now.
Very much against any free agent upgrades as riders get added with An idea which can balance the DB well enough and that should not be disrupted imo, will see if I can find any riders worth adding later this week.
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