I can only speak for Germany, hence here's a map of all documented criminal acts of immigrants in 2016 in Germany and Austria.(and some swiss ones as well)
ringo182 wrote:
Immigration is always going to be a huge issue. This year the brexit vote, Trump a nd the recent Italian referendum have all been won and lost on this issue.
Immigration is a good thing in moderation. However for too long people's concerns have not been listened to which has lead to an increase in right wing politics in many countries.
You can't simply call people racist for having concerns about immigration, particularly in Europe where it is forced upon countries by the EU. Ehile I don't believe the vast majority of immigrants carry any risk of carrying out acts of terrorism, I do believe that many countries have to listen to the concerns of the population or there will be many more Brexits and Trumps over the next few years.
That is way too diplomatic answer from you.
I want old Ringo. Be like Paul. Never give up. Never surrender.
Trump a nd the recent Italian referendum have all been won and lost on this issue.
What has our referendum got to do with immigration exactly? It's on a completely different topic and not even the populist parties mentioned the issue as an argument to vote against yes - which would have been stupid anyway.
Trump a nd the recent Italian referendum have all been won and lost on this issue.
What has our referendum got to do with immigration exactly? It's on a completely different topic and not even the populist parties mentioned the issue as an argument to vote against yes - which would have been stupid anyway.
It's been reported in Britain as a vote of no confidence against your PM, partly because of his failure to handle the immigrant crisis.
You obviously know better being Italian however that's the version of events I've read.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
Media is retarded (or smart in order to have most views there's two ways of looking at this). They appeal to the lowest common denominator, every issue can be brought down to geopolitics for them. It's easy to explain that way. These people work as journalists for a good reason as well.
If you want to have good source google translating Italian papers will still give you better info that reading BBC and the likes.
Paul23 wrote:
I can only speak for Germany, hence here's a map of all documented criminal acts of immigrants in 2016 in Germany and Austria.(and some swiss ones as well)
Alakagom wrote:
Media is retarded (or smart in order to have most views there's two ways of looking at this). They appeal to the lowest common denominator, every issue can be brought down to geopolitics for them. It's easy to explain that way. These people work as journalists for a good reason as well.
If you want to have good source google translating Italian papers will still give you better info that reading BBC and the likes.
Am I the lowest common denominator then?
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
Trump a nd the recent Italian referendum have all been won and lost on this issue.
What has our referendum got to do with immigration exactly? It's on a completely different topic and not even the populist parties mentioned the issue as an argument to vote against yes - which would have been stupid anyway.
It's been reported in Britain as a vote of no confidence against your PM, partly because of his failure to handle the immigrant crisis.
You obviously know better being Italian however that's the version of events I've read.
Typical media then, nothing new.
Renzi has made several mistakes during his mandate as every PM does, but handling immigration is something everyone in Italy knows can't be handled in a correct way, mostly because of how Europe really doesn't lend a hand in any way. A bit like trying to fight mafia
Alakagom wrote:
Media is retarded (or smart in order to have most views there's two ways of looking at this). They appeal to the lowest common denominator, every issue can be brought down to geopolitics for them. It's easy to explain that way. These people work as journalists for a good reason as well.
If you want to have good source google translating Italian papers will still give you better info that reading BBC and the likes.
Am I the lowest common denominator then?
Trying to relate the Italian referendum to Brexit. Saying it was about migrants. Helping the British public relate to the issue. Where this referendum could not be related to any of these issues. It's too complex.
P.S. I read your post wrong. I didn't mean you. Media is to blame for painting the referendum wrongly. I don't blame the public, they don't have time to find this shit out.
It isn't solely been reported as down to immigration. That's just a one of a number of things. I just picked it out because it's happened recently and we are discussing immigration.
I think it can be compared to Brexit in a way as that was in part a vote of no confidence for David Cameron. Unless the whole vote of no confidence thing is wrong in Italy's case.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
Reforms were needed, but his reforms were quite obscene. He wanted to change the Senate from being appointed to being elected, something more similar to House of Lords in UK. Now that to an average joe doesn't sound very democractic, (even it's far more complex that just that and kinda-ish made sense).
It's complex issue, but even a quick look at the issue would show he was gonna have hard time passing this.
Basically people in Italy know change is needed in government, but the reforms he proposed were not to liking of most. If he proposed more balanced plan I'm sure he would have won.
He lost not because he was establishment and people wanted him out, he lost because of the reforms he proposed.
But that's not gonna attract as many clicks on news website will it Basically none of the common news sites or newspapers tried to explain the Italian government system. I saw FT and Economist do it, and then 60 minutes by CBS slightly cover it. Otherwise others just fuck it, ITALYEXITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Edited by Alakagom on 06-12-2016 21:38
Reforms were needed, but his reforms were quite obscene. He wanted to change the Senate from being appointed to being elected, something more similar to House of Lords in UK.
It's complex issue, but even a quick look would show he was gonna have hard time passing this.
Media might have painted it this way, but the fact the Senate can't be elected is far from being the reason Yes didn't win.
The referendum was needed for laws to be approved in reasonable times. Look up our Parliament's system, where any kind of reform or draft law needs to be approved by the Chamber of Deputies, then by the Senate who if in disagreement with any kind of thing, even wording, has to reject it and get it back to the Deputies who approve their changes and so on.
It's therefore a continuous back and forth that makes it impossible for any kind of substantial changes to be made on a short time notice in not only the Constitution, which anyway Renzi was close to doing. This was the main object of the reform, as well as the suppression of a useless institutions such as the CNEL, where people literally jerk off all the day instead of doing actual stuff. But they're not to blame, you are not forced to do anything more than nothing when you're paid to do something redundant.
You're gonna wonder why the Yes didn't win then. Because Renzi was alone on this. The 5 star movement was against, a party that tries to distance themselves from the definition of a party but in all truth are not better than anyone around. They poll around 30% and normally their voters vote like they're told to. Beppe Grillo literally told them to vote with their gut feeling and not with their head, something that in a normal country wouldn't have been seen as normal.
The Lega Nord, polling around 12%, was against. They're a party that since the '90s wanted seccession for the North of the country, 'nuff said. They're calming the fuck down now though. Berlusconi's party and the rest of the right and far right were against.
And why were they against? To send him home with the excuse of him not being elected by the people when everyone who's literate knows people can't elect the PM but the parliament only. And considering he got a 41% on his own, that's still pretty impressive, even given how his party is not anywhere near polling 41%.
True, the reform of the Parliament could have been made better, but it's gonna take years before a similar chance occurrs to the Italian population because of the mechanisms that are required for something like this referendum to actually be proposed.
Paul23 wrote:
I can only speak for Germany, hence here's a map of all documented criminal acts of immigrants in 2016 in Germany and Austria.(and some swiss ones as well)
Funny how that gets upvoted. Shows the intellect of those users.
"Immigrants do shit."
"SHUT UP! HITLER DID SHIT AS WELL!"
-moron logic
This is not about Hitler, this is not about nazis, this is about the current situation. If you honestly complain about Hitler now, you're not better than those morons, who argue for islam, when they say, that christianity did crusades.
Reforms were needed, but his reforms were quite obscene. He wanted to change the Senate from being appointed to being elected, something more similar to House of Lords in UK.
It's complex issue, but even a quick look would show he was gonna have hard time passing this.
Media might have painted it this way, but the fact the Senate can't be elected is far from being the reason Yes didn't win.
The referendum was needed for laws to be approved in reasonable times. Look up our Parliament's system, where any kind of reform or draft law needs to be approved by the Chamber of Deputies, then by the Senate who if in disagreement with any kind of thing, even wording, has to reject it and get it back to the Deputies who approve their changes and so on.
It's therefore a continuous back and forth that makes it impossible for any kind of substantial changes to be made on a short time notice in not only the Constitution, which anyway Renzi was close to doing. This was the main object of the reform, as well as the suppression of a useless institutions such as the CNEL, where people literally jerk off all the day instead of doing actual stuff. But they're not to blame, you are not forced to do anything more than nothing when you're paid to do something redundant.
You're gonna wonder why the Yes didn't win then. Because Renzi was alone on this. The 5 star movement was against, a party that tries to distance themselves from the definition of a party but in all truth are not better than anyone around. They poll around 30% and normally their voters vote like they're told to. Beppe Grillo literally told them to vote with their gut feeling and not with their head, something that in a normal country wouldn't have been seen as normal.
The Lega Nord, polling around 12%, was against. They're a party that in the '90s wanted seccession for the North of the country, 'nuff said. Berlusconi's party and the rest of the right and far right were against.
And why were they against? To send him home with the excuse of him not being elected by the people when everyone who's literate knows people can't elect the PM but the parliament only. And considering he got a 41% on his own, that's still pretty impressive, even given how his party is not anywhere near polling 41%.
True, the reform of the Parliament could have been made better, but it's gonna take years before a similar chance occurrs to the Italian population because of the mechanisms that are required for something like this referendum to actually be proposed.
Paul23 wrote:
I can only speak for Germany, hence here's a map of all documented criminal acts of immigrants in 2016 in Germany and Austria.(and some swiss ones as well)
Funny how that gets upvoted. Shows the intellect of those users.
"Immigrants do shit."
"SHUT UP! HITLER DID SHIT AS WELL!"
-moron logic
This is not about Hitler, this is not about nazis, this is about the current situation. If you honestly complain about Hitler now, you're not better than those morons, who argue for islam, when they say, that christianity did crusades.
You know what? I think Waghlon might even have been making a joke. Highly out of character in all fairness.
Paul23 wrote:
I can only speak for Germany, hence here's a map of all documented criminal acts of immigrants in 2016 in Germany and Austria.(and some swiss ones as well)
Funny how that gets upvoted. Shows the intellect of those users.
"Immigrants do shit."
"SHUT UP! HITLER DID SHIT AS WELL!"
-moron logic
This is not about Hitler, this is not about nazis, this is about the current situation. If you honestly complain about Hitler now, you're not better than those morons, who argue for islam, when they say, that christianity did crusades.
You know what? I think Waghlon might even have been making a joke. Highly out of character in all fairness.
I know that Waghlon made a Joke....a Joke about a topic, which should be taken seriously. It's pretty Boring now, that every Post "against" me gets upvotes. He could've written: "Paul, you're a cunt." And would've gotten upvotes. Don't get me wrong. I don't care about the upvotes itself, but it just Shows alot about daily, when Posts against me get upvotes, no matter what they are about. It almost seems like people are uniting against Facts.
"Oh No! He says things I don't want to hear. Lalalalalalalala. I can't hear you. Let's give everyone who makes fun of his Posts or who's against him upvotes, to voice my opinion. I'm so progressive!"
Ringo got everything on Point during his last Posts. Nobody cares about his Posts though, BECAUSE WAGHLON MADE A NAZI JOKE! Why not Name this thread: "The Politics Thread, but only if it's conform with my opinion"...?
We could also create Safe spaces for the offended LGBTQTTIB people, so that they and all their quadrillion genders can live in harmony with the feminists and the radical leftist and refugees, they adore so much.
Honestly, I don't give a fuck about LGBTQTTIB people, about feminazis, about radical of any sort and about refugees that create trouble.
I also think that there are only 3 genders, that 3rd Wave feminism is cancer, that the Islam is a Dangerous ideology and that probably too many refugees don't flee at all. I also think that Hitler wasn't stupid or that he did some good things as well. I also like combustion engines, fast Cars and free speech. I dislike Safe spaces, because I think that they help our society to become retarded. Well, it actually is already. I also think that taxes should be equal and raised/lowered onto 25% for everyone. I also think that equality is important between men and women. I also like to be a Gentleman towards women, but I would probably Hit a woman, if she Hits first, because equality. I like the concept of sovereign states with clear borders. I like the German culture. I think that every country should control their borders, if needed, with weapons after the ultima Ratio. And yes, if that's needed they should also shoot children and women. I think that Trump is better than Hillary and I'm pro-choice. Also I'm for the death penalty. My rant is hereby done.
Tl;Dr: I'm basically Satan for you, I guess. And I couldn't care less at the Moment.
Greetings from 2021. This thread is pretty funny, right?
Ah, the old talk about weird tumblr genders and sexualities to discredit real human sexualities and gender dysphoria. Also, you went from
Paul23 wrote:
Honestly, I don't give a fuck about LGBTQTTIB people
to
Paul23 wrote:
I also think that there are only 3 genders
pretty quickly EDIT: didn't realise you meant intersex
Look Paul, I disagree with you on things as you probably know, but I hope you don't count me among those who "attack" you, so let me say: if you don't want the backlash that may come with an unpopular in this context opinion (that you don't care about LGBT people), don't post it. Different people have different views. If Waghlon wants to lighten things up in this thread (whether or not you think it's in poor taste) I don't blame him, just don't take him seriously as part of your argument, or he's making you look like the joke.
Spoiler
Or maybe you need a safe space too BOOM #triggered
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I only think there are 3 genders. Man, woman and the "Mutation of having both genitalia".
I have no problem with lesbians, or gays.
I have a Problem with 70+ genders, with people who create a Gender based on their mood and that demand, that I Call them by their created pronouns.
No gay, I know is part of the LGBTQTTIB movement. I despise people who join that movement probably as much as they would hate me. And I just don't want every topic I talk about, getting belittled by jokes. If you don't want to discuss, don't weiter in this thread. If you're just here to Troll, you can honestly go fuck yourself. That's not against you jandal. I kinda like you.
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jseadog1 wrote:
Who do you think is just here to troll anyway?
Paul, because i cant imagine someone could be so lost for real, he has to be trolling...
Ok, on the more serious note (i would not want to make Paul mad, he could probably go on shooting rampage on borders or something like that). Lets face it and be serious if he wants to - you are a modern post-fascist Paul (dont mix it with nazi, that is time and area restricted form of radical fasicm). You dont value others opinions highly, you are using agressive tone and stand agressively behind your ideas and you are against liberal society, i think you are actually afraid of liberal society. You would feel better and more certain in an authoritarian state, with protective and strict leadership, against the outer influences. And you are touchy as much as man can be.
Like other people with similar political views these days, you tend to mix up things that have really nothing in common with each other, things that make you feel insecure becase you dont understand them. LBGT rights, immigrants, free speach, taxes,...your goal is to criticize and destroy, not build and open the consturctive debate about various things, without not needed emotions.
You are for free speech and honesty right? I can honestly say you, that i despise the people of this kind and if i should fear that future of Europe is in danger, it is not because muslim or any other immigrants, but because of people like you, who are ready to get radicalized and dangerous.
Btw. good job Waghlon. Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 07-12-2016 07:21
however that's the version of events I've read.
Basically none of the common news sites or newspapers tried to explain the Italian government system. I saw FT and Economist do it, and then 60 minutes by CBS slightly cover it. Otherwise others just fuck it, ITALYEXITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
EDIT: didn't realise you meant intersex 
