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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 15-09-2016 15:43
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Finally, Contador to Trek-Segafredo has been anounced |
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Posted on 15-09-2016 16:01
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Strydz wrote:
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Reichenbach (FDJ), Farrar (Di Data), Ten Dam (Giant), Howson (OBE), Duchesne (Direct Energie) all sign extensions.
Daniele Ratto and Seb Chavanel announce they will retire.
I like that move from Reichenbach, I don't like it from Farrar. Ten Dam and Howson also solid domestiques for their teams. Shame with Ratto, he really looked talented at some points...
From all accounts Ratto has lost motivation since stepping down from WT level which is understandable, still young enough to take some time off and come back to it if he chooses too. What's wrong with Farrar extending? He's a leadout rider at best on this level, maybe he could of stepped down a level and raced with one of the US Pro Conti/Conti squads.
Howson deserved a pay bump after his performances at the Giro and Vuelta riding for Chaves, he's not as talented as some but works hard so it's good to see it starting to pay dividends.
Well from the US PCT teams Novo Nordisk use exclusively riders with diabetes, while UHC has lately become retirement home for super-domestiques like Brajkovic that want to be a leaders for once.
Lupus is closing down after the end of the season and IDK if Axeon, Rally, Jelly Belly, Jamis or Illuminate would want to staisfy Farrar's ludacrous for Continental team paycheck or even need him in first place as they rely more on American youngsters. Not even Horner in Lupus gets as much as Farrar does in DDD.
Speaking of UnitedHealthcare, Greg Henderson joins them from Lotto Soudal.
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Posted on 15-09-2016 16:02
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Should be a good helper for Mollema 
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Posted on 15-09-2016 17:28
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also Steven de Jongh and his long-term domestique Jesus Hernandez, |
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Posted on 15-09-2016 18:01
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He just left a team where czech forum members thought that Kreuziger should be leader anyway |
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Posted on 15-09-2016 20:43
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Not a good helper. Mollema crashes if he follow Contador |
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Posted on 15-09-2016 21:21
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I hope the won't have Mollema working for contador in the tour. At this point I'm confident in saying that Mollema is more likely to win the tour than contador |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 15-09-2016 21:47
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ivaneurope wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Croatia14 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Reichenbach (FDJ), Farrar (Di Data), Ten Dam (Giant), Howson (OBE), Duchesne (Direct Energie) all sign extensions.
Daniele Ratto and Seb Chavanel announce they will retire.
I like that move from Reichenbach, I don't like it from Farrar. Ten Dam and Howson also solid domestiques for their teams. Shame with Ratto, he really looked talented at some points...
From all accounts Ratto has lost motivation since stepping down from WT level which is understandable, still young enough to take some time off and come back to it if he chooses too. What's wrong with Farrar extending? He's a leadout rider at best on this level, maybe he could of stepped down a level and raced with one of the US Pro Conti/Conti squads.
Howson deserved a pay bump after his performances at the Giro and Vuelta riding for Chaves, he's not as talented as some but works hard so it's good to see it starting to pay dividends.
Well from the US PCT teams Novo Nordisk use exclusively riders with diabetes, while UHC has lately become retirement home for super-domestiques like Brajkovic that want to be a leaders for once.
Lupus is closing down after the end of the season and IDK if Axeon, Rally, Jelly Belly, Jamisor Illuminate would want to staisfy Farrar's ludacrous for Continental team paycheck or even need him in first place as they rely more on American youngsters. Not even Horner in Lupus gets as much as Farrar does in DDD.
Speaking of UnitedHealthcare, Greg Henderson joins them from Lotto Soudal.
That's why I used the word 'maybe' right before the part you bolded. I don't doubt he earns more at Di Data and I don't think he should of stepped down to one of the US squads but was replying to Croatia who didn't like that Farrar had re-signed with Di Data.
Also the Henderson news was mentioned on the previous page 
Oh and Team Jamis-Sutter Homes is another US team folding at the end of the season
Rumour that UHC are talking to Hofland and Theo Bos, Hofland is also linked to Lotto Soudal
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Posted on 15-09-2016 22:27
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Even Felline is better climber than Contador nowadays (JK)
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Posted on 15-09-2016 22:30
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My guess is Mollema will do Giro/vuelta and contador will drop out of the tour due to injury |
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Posted on 16-09-2016 10:39
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StevenGreen wrote:
My guess is Mollema will do Giro/vuelta and contador will drop out of the tour due to injury Or fifth place #needbeef #needfuentes |
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Posted on 16-09-2016 10:50
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Strydz wrote:
Oh and Team Jamis-Sutter Homes is another US team folding at the end of the season
No wonder US conti teams have to end their engagement when Amgen goes WT and USA Pro Cycling Challenge is being quit. Only Tour of Utah of the big american races remaining, just one race won't justify so many great continental teams that are the root & spine of the domestique scene.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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Posted on 16-09-2016 10:55
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Compare that to the UK or Aussie domestic scences where races are pretty stable and get good coverage at a national level. The teams there are fairly stable and the sport overall benefits as a result.
The USA unfortunatley needs a new big name success to reinvigorate the cycling scene there. Because cycling just can't compete in what is a pretty flooded market, certainly when compated to NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS, MLB, and 1000000 other sizable and well covered sports.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 16-09-2016 11:14
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Compare that to the UK or Aussie domestic scences where races are pretty stable and get good coverage at a national level. The teams there are fairly stable and the sport overall benefits as a result.
The USA unfortunatley needs a new big name success to reinvigorate the cycling scene there. Because cycling just can't compete in what is a pretty flooded market, certainly when compated to NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS, MLB, and 1000000 other sizable and well covered sports.
America just isn't a cycling country. In the history of the sport LeMond is the only great rider to come out of America (Armstrong obviously excluded).
It isn't a case of America's cycling scene being weak at the moment. It's never been strong in comparison to other countries.
A few big teams sprang up on the back of Armstrong because America is a rich country and so will always be able to support wims and fashionable sports. Look at the MLS now. Therefore American appeared to be a big player in cycling for a few years.
Armstrong has gone and American cycling is simply reverting back to it's natural place in the World cycling hierarchy.
They are similar to Britain. If Sky pulls out cycling will probably decline in the UK and we'll revert back to have the odd good time-trailer every 10 years or so.
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Posted on 16-09-2016 11:36
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I'll ignore the slight against Kristin Armstrong, Evelyn Stevens, Megan Guarnier, Mara Abbott, Kim Anderson, Connie Carpenter-Phinney, Shelley Olds, Amber Neben, Sarah Hammer, Alison Tetrick and of course Tayler Wiles....
I'll also ignore the fact that domestic cycling has been pretty much on the same stable level for about a decade, pre-dating Team Sky.
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Posted on 16-09-2016 11:55
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I'll ignore the slight against Kristin Armstrong, Evelyn Stevens, Megan Guarnier, Mara Abbott, Kim Anderson, Connie Carpenter-Phinney, Shelley Olds, Amber Neben, Sarah Hammer, Alison Tetrick and of course Tayler Wiles....
I'll also ignore the fact that domestic cycling has been pretty much on the same stable level for about a decade, pre-dating Team Sky.
Women's and men's cycling isn't really comparable so I'm not gonna open that can of worms.
And I would say cycling in Britain is nowhere near comparable pre and post Sky. Are you saying cycling was as popular a sport in Britain Pre-Sky? Was the ToB as high profile a race pre Sky? Were domestic cycling events televised, sometimes even live, Pre-Sky?
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Posted on 16-09-2016 12:30
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ringo182 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
I'll ignore the slight against Kristin Armstrong, Evelyn Stevens, Megan Guarnier, Mara Abbott, Kim Anderson, Connie Carpenter-Phinney, Shelley Olds, Amber Neben, Sarah Hammer, Alison Tetrick and of course Tayler Wiles....
I'll also ignore the fact that domestic cycling has been pretty much on the same stable level for about a decade, pre-dating Team Sky.
Women's and men's cycling isn't really comparable so I'm not gonna open that can of worms.
And I would say cycling in Britain is nowhere near comparable pre and post Sky. Are you saying cycling was as popular a sport in Britain Pre-Sky? Was the ToB as high profile a race pre Sky? Were domestic cycling events televised, sometimes even live, Pre-Sky?
Cavendish and Wiggins were already big cycling names pre-Sky and didn't need Sky to begin with (Team Sky was built to have specificly those two). Alex Dowsett is also better off without Sky. Sky has nothing to do with the popularity of the British cycling in general. The British were already a cycling nation even though it was on velodromes. Wiggins, Cavendish and so on had track cycling background before converting to road cycling.
Basicly you say that only Sky is responsible for the rise in the British cycling? Then was cycling popular say in Slovakia before Peter Sagan began winning? Or in Poland pre-Majka and Kwiatkowski? Or Russia pre-Katusha?
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-09-2016 12:35
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ringo182 wrote:
Was the ToB as high profile a race pre Sky? Were domestic cycling events televised, sometimes even live, Pre-Sky?
I really wouldn't put the growth of the ToB down solely to Team Sky. Firstly it took a big boost in 2008 following Cav at the Tour. Then another big jump in 2009 following Cav's MSR and TDF and Wiggins TDF. I don't remember another big jump in the ToB to the save extent since then, it's just been a steadier growth alongside the overall cycling boom. And that boom can be put down to wider factors than Team Sky.
As for live tv, the ToB has been on TV since at least 2008 which was when i first watched it, and i'm pretty damn certain is was on TV in 2007. Yep, no Team Sky there. And frankly Sky have done sod all for TV broadcasting.
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Posted on 16-09-2016 13:17
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TheManxMissile wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Was the ToB as high profile a race pre Sky? Were domestic cycling events televised, sometimes even live, Pre-Sky?
I really wouldn't put the growth of the ToB down solely to Team Sky. Firstly it took a big boost in 2008 following Cav at the Tour. Then another big jump in 2009 following Cav's MSR and TDF and Wiggins TDF. I don't remember another big jump in the ToB to the save extent since then, it's just been a steadier growth alongside the overall cycling boom. And that boom can be put down to wider factors than Team Sky.
As for live tv, the ToB has been on TV since at least 2008 which was when i first watched it, and i'm pretty damn certain is was on TV in 2007. Yep, no Team Sky there. And frankly Sky have done sod all for TV broadcasting.
Was the Lincoln GP on TV. Or the National Crit Series? No. Only since Sky has been around. The National Championships didn't even used to be televised but they are now. The ToB isn't the only race in Britain. What about the Ride London Classic and Tour de Yorkshire. They would never have had a chance of existing Pre-Sky.
Britain was never a cycling country before the last 10 years. Now you could argue British cyclists and the support for cycling in Britain matches the top countries in Europe. We have the best stage racer in the World, The best sprinter in the World, The best female cyclist in the World (top 2 at least) We dominate on the track. None of that would have happened Pre-Sky. (Well perhaps Cav would still be around and we would still dominate on the track, but Froome wouldn't be at the level he is. Thomas wouldn't have developed like he has. Stannard wouldn't be where he is, Wiggins wouldn't have won the Tour)
The argument about individual cyclists is also pointless. Britain will always produce individual cyclists. But were there as many British cyclists riding at the top level of the sport Pre-Sky? Nope. Was it easy for British riders to turn pro. No, because there was no professional British teams. British riders had to got to Belgium or France to race to become professional. Now they can stay in Britain, making the British scene stronger.
It's an undeniable fact that Team Sky has had a massive boost to cycling in the UK. That boost has led to an increased level of participation, which has lead to more interest, which has lead to more televised events, more British riders at the top level of the sport, higher profile races on the World stage. The ToB had a better sprint line up that the Vuelta this year. Would that have happened Pre-Sky? No.
I don't know how this conversation is even taking place or how anyone could deny that cycling in Britain is in a stronger position since the establishment of Team Sky, from bottom to top.
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Posted on 16-09-2016 13:35
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ivaneurope wrote:
Basicly you say that only Sky is responsible for the rise in the British cycling? Then was cycling popular say in Slovakia before Peter Sagan began winning? Or in Poland pre-Majka and Kwiatkowski? Or Russia pre-Katusha?
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