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| larsaliknt |
Posted on 22-08-2016 21:46
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Kalach wrote:
I really missed purito in the finish like this. Have you seen his attack on this climb in 2012? None of the current riders could match that power. Purito was the best climber for the steep vuelta climbs. There is no doubt about that. It's a pity he couldn't win at least this grand tour.
Contador.....hmmmm....I do not want to believe that he is old. He is 33.5 years old and looked at Valverde at 36.5?
Froome with his style....that's terrible
I brutally miss Joaquim. I think he never got to win the Vuelta, which is sad... considering how brave and tenacious he was. If you look at videos from the last 5-6 years in la Vuelta, he is always there.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 22-08-2016 22:01
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Paul23 wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
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Froome is beast, alone with a very strong Movistar team, after TDF and Olympics Games.
Quintana and Contador is overrated.
In the Vuelta Froome looks at his powermeter the whole way up the climb ignoring the other riders, which is terrible for viewers and cycling both, how boring is it that he won't even look up while riding up a mountain, let alone even acknowledge an attack!
Fortunately it's unlikely he'll win a GT doing that given he wasn't going amazing last year with this terrible style (probably due to tiredness from the tour), honestly it makes the Sky train in the TDF look like it has panache.  It works, Quintana example never beaten him in a GT.
Firstly it doesn't work, he hasn't won the Vuelta yet has he? (I'm not talking about the tour strategy, I'm talking about the even more dull Vuelta one).
Secondly, I'm not talking about how effective it is, I'm talking about how boring it is, you can at least show some interest in the race going on around you.
Tbh, I really like the way he rides. It's different and interesting to see, if he can come back.
froome does this all the time remember vuelta last year(with dumoulin and purito).... its different from the other riders.... he gives everything at vuelta remember the the last week of vuelta 2014? him against contador? if he hasn't the same form as he had in the tour... Would you expect him to ride like he did??? of course he as be cautious because if his engine breaks i might lose a lot of time... contador is old and it will never be the same that's a fact he had much more time to prepare la vuelta and still he gets dropped by froome( the difference contador followed movistar superb attack and froome knew how is engine works ) (quintana is quite overrated that's a fact ( oh sueño amarillo; estoy muy fuerte; mas fuerte que nunca) pls, he has never won a gt from froome and he was boring as fuck all the tour...
its ok he didn't had the form....
so this time froome doesn't has it either... he is building it...
so why are you already saying he is boring....
see the facts different races but the same situation
Lets see what the second week of vuelta brings and the third for froome as he did in 2014
he will probably crack tomorrow lets see
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| dacolik |
Posted on 23-08-2016 01:34
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I didn't knew where to ask,so sorry if I'm mistaken...
Can someone say what you think about Contador's chances to win this vuelta?
I wanted to bet on him... |
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 23-08-2016 04:59
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Riis123 wrote:
Half naked? Thats no bet. 
He honestly just might. I know its a long shit, but seriously, there is only one real mountain stage and all the major contenders have flaws.
I hope this was a typo... 
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 23-08-2016 06:07
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Leaving aside Fernandez, can we already say that the top 4 in this Vuelta is decided? Valverde, Froome, Chaves and Nairo. In whichever order. Or do you see someone else getting in on the act?
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 23-08-2016 06:16
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dacolik wrote:
I didn't knew where to ask,so sorry if I'm mistaken...
Can someone say what you think about Contador's chances to win this vuelta?
I wanted to bet on him...
Why the frontwheel would you bet on Contador ?
Even in the unlikely event that he should win, he won't payout that much.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 06:16
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Wheelsucker riders like Quintana and Valverde is not a threat.
Exciting about Chaves and/or Fernández can win much time on Froome before the long flat time trial on 19 stage.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 23-08-2016 06:24
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Leaving aside Fernandez, can we already say that the top 4 in this Vuelta is decided? Valverde, Froome, Chaves and Nairo. In whichever order. Or do you see someone else getting in on the act?
Honestly I think it is to early to say much, after all it was just a 2km climb. Need at least another hard finish to see if others can compete and in what order.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 06:32
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Leaving aside Fernandez, can we already say that the top 4 in this Vuelta is decided? Valverde, Froome, Chaves and Nairo. In whichever order. Or do you see someone else getting in on the act?
Why ignore Fernandez? He is the only Movistar rider that can attack!
Quintana can only wheelsucker and Valverde can wheelsucker and sprint last 100 meter.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 23-08-2016 07:07
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Arberg27 wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Leaving aside Fernandez, can we already say that the top 4 in this Vuelta is decided? Valverde, Froome, Chaves and Nairo. In whichever order. Or do you see someone else getting in on the act?
Why ignore Fernandez? He is the only Movistar rider that can attack!
Quintana can only wheelsucker and Valverde can wheelsucker and sprint last 100 meter.
Someone's record has got stuck again!
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 07:20
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Said people also about Landa in beginning of Giro last year. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 23-08-2016 07:26
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
Leaving aside Fernandez, can we already say that the top 4 in this Vuelta is decided? Valverde, Froome, Chaves and Nairo. In whichever order. Or do you see someone else getting in on the act?
I think Froome will fade by the 3rd week and I dare say Quintana and Valverde will do the same, the Tour might have been boring but it was still raced at high wattages and this Vuelta is tough for guys who finished the Tour. Chaves is in with a shot and I still wouldn't discount GC riders who are further back but haven't come through the Tour as contenders for this race.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 23-08-2016 07:29
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OZrocker wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Half naked? Thats no bet.
He honestly just might. I know its a long shit, but seriously, there is only one real mountain stage and all the major contenders have flaws.
I hope this was a typo...
Nah that ain't a typo, it's just the beautiful way Riis likes to describe things
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-08-2016 07:52
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What happened to Superman guys, crash?
I have not seen a minute yet, i am taking a break from sports watching after OG. And ______/ profiles never were my cup of tea anyway, very badly designed GT once again.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 08:01
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What happened to Superman guys, crash?
I have not seen a minute yet, i am taking a break from sports watching after OG. And ______/ profiles never were my cup of tea anyway, very badly designed GT once again.
Crash with 10 km to go. Three broken teeth |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 08:24
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I think Froome is not in top shape but if anyone can pull it out of the bag it'll be him. The long tt at the end means that if he is anywhere within 2 mins of the lead at that time he will be favourite to win.
He can probably afford to ride a lot more defensively at the Vuelta which will suit him as he looked quite tired at the Olympics and the excessive traveling won't have helped him. It'll be up to the others to drop him.
I think he's going for the win so he can then attempt to win the Giro next year and hold all three Grand Tours at the same time. Has that been done before?
3 weeks is a long time so anything could happen. Should be an exciting 3 weeks, unless your a sprinter  |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 23-08-2016 08:30
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Shame about Lopez he looked up for a good Vuelta.
Movistar did nice attack there with 'Movistar' like Chaves. Quintana still not at his best but that said I have not seen him do that well on the short steep stuff, he grew up on monster climbs. These sorts certainly suit Chaves and Valverde, Chaves could be new Purito.
Usual hate on Froome - gutsy ride I thought, sort of opposite to Contador follow and blow or let it go and reel back in. Anton did well but lets not get carried away, we shall see if he can go deep. Kruisvijk as ever starting slow and Talansky non factor in top class Euro racing.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 08:38
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ringo182 wrote:
I think Froome is not in top shape but if anyone can pull it out of the bag it'll be him. The long tt at the end means that if he is anywhere within 2 mins of the lead at that time he will be favourite to win.
He can probably afford to ride a lot more defensively at the Vuelta which will suit him as he looked quite tired at the Olympics and the excessive traveling won't have helped him. It'll be up to the others to drop him.
I think he's going for the win so he can then attempt to win the Giro next year and hold all three Grand Tours at the same time. Has that been done before?
3 weeks is a long time so anything could happen. Should be an exciting 3 weeks, unless your a sprinter
Nonsense.
If he is 2 minutes down, it means he has lost a significant amount of time on the MTF's. (isn't the strongest with a relatively big margin) and is supposed and expected to be the one fade the most in the end, probably apart from Valverde.
If Contador is 2 minutes ahead, he will be the glaring favourite at that point. He even gained time on Froome on the ITT in 2012 (the peak year for his ITT's along with 2013, Froome's that is) in the Vuelta when Froome began to fade after Tour + Olympics.
If Quintana is 2 minutes ahead, he will be the favourite. If you look at last year's late ITT which is super comparable, Quintana lost under 2 minutes to a peak Dumoulin who trashed the field. So not only does he have to do better than Dumoulin, but he also has to be equal or better than Quintana on the last, long MTF where he has lost 2 minutes previously over the last 18 stages in this scenario.
Same thing with Valverde. All those guys can fend for themselves and won't bleed massive amount of time in a Vuelta ITT late in the race. This is way different than Tour de France. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 08:56
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
I think Froome is not in top shape but if anyone can pull it out of the bag it'll be him. The long tt at the end means that if he is anywhere within 2 mins of the lead at that time he will be favourite to win.
He can probably afford to ride a lot more defensively at the Vuelta which will suit him as he looked quite tired at the Olympics and the excessive traveling won't have helped him. It'll be up to the others to drop him.
I think he's going for the win so he can then attempt to win the Giro next year and hold all three Grand Tours at the same time. Has that been done before?
3 weeks is a long time so anything could happen. Should be an exciting 3 weeks, unless your a sprinter
Nonsense.
If he is 2 minutes down, it means he has lost a significant amount of time on the MTF's. (isn't the strongest with a relatively big margin) and is supposed and expected to be the one fade the most in the end, probably apart from Valverde.
If Contador is 2 minutes ahead, he will be the glaring favourite at that point. He even gained time on Froome on the ITT in 2012 (the peak year for his ITT's along with 2013, Froome's that is) in the Vuelta when Froome began to fade after Tour + Olympics.
If Quintana is 2 minutes ahead, he will be the favourite. If you look at last year's late ITT which is super comparable, Quintana lost under 2 minutes to a peak Dumoulin who trashed the field. So not only does he have to do better than Dumoulin, but he also has to be equal or better than Quintana on the last, long MTF where he has lost 2 minutes previously over the last 18 stages in this scenario.
Same thing with Valverde. All those guys can fend for themselves and won't bleed massive amount of time in a Vuelta ITT late in the race. This is way different than Tour de France.
Well Froome won't be 2 mins down anyway so it's a mute point
The last TT of this distance was at the last TdF a couple of months ago. Froome put just under 2 mins into Valverde and over 2 mins in Quintana. Contador hasn't done a decent tt since 2012, as you say. I stand by my comment.
In the last tt of the TdF, which was only 17k long, he put 1.10 into Quintana and 1.18 into Valverde. At x3 the distance he could have potentially put 3 mins into both of them.
I agree that Froome isn't the favourite as he is looking tired. But if he rides defensively I don't think anyone will put that much time into him in the mountains, and if he is in striking distance at the tt he can pull it out of the bag. Obviously no one is going to hand it to him on a plate, but at a tt over that distance at that stage of the Vuelta there is potential for significant time gaps between the favourites. |
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 23-08-2016 09:16
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ringo182 wrote:
I think Froome is not in top shape but if anyone can pull it out of the bag it'll be him. The long tt at the end means that if he is anywhere within 2 mins of the lead at that time he will be favourite to win.
He can probably afford to ride a lot more defensively at the Vuelta which will suit him as he looked quite tired at the Olympics and the excessive traveling won't have helped him. It'll be up to the others to drop him.
I think he's going for the win so he can then attempt to win the Giro next year and hold all three Grand Tours at the same time. Has that been done before?
3 weeks is a long time so anything could happen. Should be an exciting 3 weeks, unless your a sprinter
Merckx and Hinault are the only ones that be current winners of all 3 GT at same time. Contador was the closest to do it recently. Winner Vuelta 14', Giro 15' and 5th in Tour 15' |
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