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"Fantasy" TdF 2016 | 77/198 | HUGE update!
PeterRyder
22 minute difference from Barguil's 2nd to Porte's 3rd... lol
 
dominox
AbhishekLFC, It's really hard to admit, but yeah, every single time... Even last year he wasn't dominating so much. Nibali, Valverde, Contador, even Pinot could had won Tour. After 85 Tours, Froome won it 35 times, Nibali 31, Contador 10, Pinot 5 and Valverde 4 times. It looks like this time, Froome will win every single Tour... Unless I could make it with other rider. One thing I know, If I will play with Sky rider and it won't be Froomebot.exe, he will have "disabled" team comm. He will ride all along for himself.

PeterRyder, yeah, but look at the winner time on those TdFs Pfft. Right there is 20min difference.

pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/giant.png Tom Dumoulin - Team Giant - Alpecin

GC: 16th +17'30"

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Bad luck I finished outside of top 15. But at least 2nd place on first ITT. Not really good rider on mountain stages. Especially in 3rd week.

1 stage99
2 stage46
3 stage88
4 stage79
5 stage1111
6 stage511
7 stage2318
8 stage1515
9 stage1515
10 stage1614
11 stage1314
12 stage2615
13 stage215
14 stage214
15 stage1214
16 stage4114
17 stage3115
18 stage2014
19 stage2715
20 stage1516
21 stage1016
 
dominox
3 riders today!

pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/lottonl.png Paul Martens - Team LottoNL - Jumbo

GC: 43rd +1h13'22"

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1 stage1212
2 stage33
3 stage43
4 stage22
5 stage3131
6 stage1538
7 stage4540
8 stage4344
9 stage5446
10 stage1046
11 stage846
12 stage4146
13 stage14346
14 stage1144
15 stage3742
16 stage742
17 stage3841
18 stage13442
19 stage5143
20 stage7643
21 stage1543


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/bmc.png Taylor Phinney - BMC Racing Team

GC: 91st +2h19'48"

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1 stage77
2 stage4522
3 stage210
4 stage1510
5 stage119101
6 stage276
7 stage13488
8 stage8387
9 stage11395
10 stage695
11 stage294
12 stage6782
13 stage10882
14 stage1280
15 stage11587
16 stage287
17 stage6383
18 stage14685
19 stage6581
20 stage11891
21 stage4091


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/katusha.png Joaquim Rodriguez - Team Katusha

First of all, I didn't realise that after intermediate sprint on stage 1, sprinters created a little group of 16 riders... 10 minutes lost on finish to them. At least no GC conteders were there. As I saw, Katusha have 3 riders that can possible fight for a top GC places. The best is Zakarin, little worse Spilak and Rodriguez (with "only" 79 in MO; Spilak have 80, Zakarin 81). Absolutely amazing first week. Of course I couldn't get yellow jersey so fast thanks to that 10 minutes on stage 1, but you have to admit, 4 stage wins on first week is pretty good result.

4 stage wins. Am I going to beat those 5 with Barguil?
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General Classification after 1 week:
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General Classification after 2 week:
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At least I finished 6th on overall standings and won points classification. "Only" 4 stage wins.

GC: 6th +5'03"

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1 stage1919
2 stage117
3 stage817
4 stage117
5 stage13
6 stage73
7 stage12
8 stage41
9 stage31
10 stage131
11 stage81
12 stage91
13 stage831
14 stage141
15 stage72
16 stage32
17 stage62
18 stage695
19 stage94
20 stage126
21 stage446
 
PeterRyder
You floped hard in the last week...
 
dominox
PeterRyder; Maybe a little bit. But I don't think I could lose less on those 2 last mountain stages, also an ITT. You must remember that Rodriguez isn't Froome on TT Wink. Also it was mountain one, so almost 2 minutes to Contador/Froome/Pinot/Nibali and others was a minimum. -1 in daily condition on stage 20 also made it (its something like -1 in all statistics, so it was basically 78 in MO, there is at least 15 riders with more than 80 MO).

pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/cannondale.png Lawson Craddock - Cannondale Pro Cycling Team

68 stamina... And how you want to use properly your 77 in MO?

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GC: 40th +1h04'51"

1 stage1212
2 stage5531
3 stage4533
4 stage8440
5 stage4443
6 stage1243
7 stage6757
8 stage6463
9 stage5456
10 stage2556
11 stage12356
12 stage3246
13 stage18146
14 stage17748
15 stage3747
16 stage16647
17 stage2041
18 stage7441
19 stage3540
20 stage3340
21 stage2640


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/lotto.png Andre Greipel - Lotto Soudal

I wasn't caring about GC much, he's sprint specialist, not Tour winner. Other thing worth to admit is Tony Gallopin winning stage 7 and 15.

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GC: 89th +2h12'48"

1 stage11
2 stage3516
3 stage114
4 stage29
5 stage11797
6 stage193
7 stage130104
8 stage9389
9 stage7490
10 stage990
11 stage189
12 stage9591
13 stage19892
14 stage189
15 stage11798
16 stage996
17 stage6993
18 stage17293
19 stage5589
20 stage7189
21 stage189


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/etixx.png Tom Boonen - Etixx - Quick Step

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GC: 79th +2h09'16"

1 stage11
2 stage5635
3 stage734
4 stage333
5 stage133110
6 stage1198
7 stage169127
8 stage5082
9 stage10991
10 stage990
11 stage189
12 stage8786
13 stage19387
14 stage683
15 stage4780
16 stage980
17 stage6377
18 stage16481
19 stage5076
20 stage9479
21 stage379


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/sky.png Mikel Landa - Team Sky

I decided to attack on first downhill from Colombier, hold my advantage to the top of last climb and managed to hold 1 minute to all favourites. Pretty nice victory. Last year I ended Tour on 9th place with Landa.

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GC: 7th +11'14"

1 stage1717
2 stage85
3 stage176
4 stage710
5 stage2727
6 stage1327
7 stage2927
8 stage521
9 stage1416
10 stage1016
11 stage2816
12 stage1215
13 stage14515
14 stage1215
15 stage112
16 stage6112
17 stage39
18 stage3710
19 stage109
20 stage127
21 stage267
 
PeterRyder
6 wins with Greipel Shock
 
Arberg27
dominox wrote:
It's really hard to admit, but yeah, every single time... Even last year he wasn't dominating so much. Nibali, Valverde, Contador, even Pinot could had won Tour. After 85 Tours, Froome won it 35 times, Nibali 31, Contador 10, Pinot 5 and Valverde 4 times. It looks like this time, Froome will win every single Tour...
Good to hear that it is more realistic now SmileGrinPfft
 
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dominox
PeterRyder; Well, Cavendish won 4 stages, Sagan 3 in real Tour, so... Grin
Arberg27; But strangely game decided to break out of this standard.

pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/lottonl.png Tom Van Asbroeck - Team LottoNL - Jumbo

Don't ask how Bertie won this Tour. I realised it after last stage.

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GC: 74th +2h09'07" / 2nd in PC

1 stage44
2 stage127
3 stage1310
4 stage27
5 stage10188
6 stage1388
7 stage9789
8 stage7372
9 stage5667
10 stage3466
11 stage165
12 stage11577
13 stage19481
14 stage279
15 stage8881
16 stage1181
17 stage5776
18 stage15378
19 stage5173
20 stage5476
21 stage1074


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/sky.png Michał Kwiatkowski - Team Sky

Yes, its still lvl professional.

Again the same situation (probably some sort of bug). First stage, sprinters are finishing on the intermediate sprint and the peloton isn't chasing them, the group gain 11 minutes, Kwiatkowski is in that group... He is a good puncheur, but also can climb, and sprint. So he was gaining time on flat stages thanks to winning them. Hilly ones? No problem of gaining another 30". GC after first week:

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On Mont Ventoux I lose 4 minutes to Froome, 2-3 minutes to other favourites. Also an ITT, -2 in daily condition but still 27th place. Stage 14, really windy one. Riders made big effort (even Froome lost 1'28), I decided to attack about 10km from finish line. I gained about 35 seconds. Another victory? No problem on stage 16. GC after second week:

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From this moment I was starting to believe that I can actually win that Tour. At the beginning I thought that 11 minutes after first week is nice results, but I will lose everything when real mountain would come... Second week ends and still 7 minutes in front. Only 3 mountain stages and one ITT. So how about 3rd week? Well, almost 5 minutes lost to winner on stage 17, on stage 18 1'30". Another 5 minutes on stage 19 so possible victory was gone. 4'30" on stage 20 (just to much energy spent on previous stages, last 20km I was riding completely empty). But at least I was a leader for 18 stages. I think I don't have to say that I won points classification?

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GC: 6th +6'46"

1 stage11
2 stage91
3 stage11
4 stage11
5 stage11
6 stage31
7 stage11
8 stage61
9 stage321
10 stage11
11 stage61
12 stage171
13 stage271
14 stage11
15 stage141
16 stage11
17 stage241
18 stage671
19 stage205
20 stage256
21 stage46


As a proof of that 8 stage wins:

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PeterRyder
I would say you should up the difficulty becuase 8 stages is WAY too much unrealistic... but it can influentiate the fantasy GC.
 
Forever the Best
Lol ridiculous race with Kwiatek
 
dominox
PeterRyder; I know how it looks, but it isn't as "easy" as it look Grin. Winning flat stages isn't really big deal. You starting sprint about 1,6km to go and using that red gel at the same time. More than 70 in sprint and you can win easily some flat stages. Also Kwiatek has more than 75 in stats almost everywhere so I was just using his potential. Game will not do that cause Sky has Froome. Same with Sanchez below, 75 in sprint and you're winning flat stages like Cav in this Tour. Also you are saying that 8 stages is way to unrealistic? Wait until Sagan then Grin. But I have to admit that now finishing is much easier than last year. Also I won't increase difficulty. As you said it can influent the fantasy GC and made me more frustrated on the game itself (already made me sick sometimes...).

Also if you want I will try to not sprint with every rider and winning flat stages like crazy (but you know, bonus seconds). Only with pure sprinters. Is that okay?

The Schleck Fan; Wouldn't be so ridiculous if not those 10 minutes on stage 1.

pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/bmc.png Samuel Sanchez - BMC Racing Team

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GC: 5th +6'38"

You have an example below, with those results I gained about 1'20". If not, I would finish probably 7th with about 9 minutes to leader (time difference on those stages).

1 stage55
2 stage11
3 stage21
4 stage11
5 stage11
6 stage11
7 stage21
8 stage31
9 stage161
10 stage61
11 stage11
12 stage71
13 stage231
14 stage11
15 stage111
16 stage21
17 stage124
18 stage565
19 stage125
20 stage95
21 stage35


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/movistar.png Ion Izagirre - Movistar Team

On stage 20 I used my +2 in daily form and went into early breakaway. Amazing victory in Morzine. Also top 15 in GC!

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GC: 14th +15'38"

1 stage2222
2 stage319
3 stage418
4 stage817
5 stage2115
6 stage715
7 stage2722
8 stage1614
9 stage4720
10 stage1420
11 stage7023
12 stage1720
13 stage6619
14 stage1119
15 stage2821
16 stage2920
17 stage3421
18 stage8722
19 stage2423
20 stage114
21 stage2714
 
PeterRyder
I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call Wink
 
superider2010
PeterRyder wrote:
I would say you should up the difficulty becuase 8 stages is WAY too much unrealistic... but it can influentiate the fantasy GC.


his dificulty is proffesional(medium) but it's more an easy difficulty
what he say it's hard it isn't
you can't win with kwiatkowski on massive sprint against sprinters on a hard difficulty just on easy
i attack with eddy merckx on champion difficulty and i barely get a top 10 a massive sprint and he is much better then kwiatkowski at stats or on every stat compared
 
dominox
I know that there is much more difference between professional-hard than between easy-professional. That's why I never played on hard (even on last year game), because not only it wouldn't be easy itself to finish inside top 10 on any stage, but probably it would made me finish with every rider some places lower than I expected. And make me frustrated a lot. I hate that Wink. Also I didn't played on easy either (okay, once with Cancellara (2015) I rode a prologue just to see difference, 35 seconds better than 2nd place on prologue just prove me to never ever play on easy). That's why I'm playing on professional.

superider2010 wrote:
i attack with eddy merckx on champion difficulty and i barely get a top 10 a massive sprint and he is much better then kwiatkowski at stats or on every stat compared


First of all, you are playing on champion. Like the game is saying "You can win Tour only using long-term strategies" on this difficulty. Secondly, I don't know how you made your last 1,6km but I know how I made mine: top place in a peleton > start sprint 1,6km from finish > using full red gel while pressing sprint button > blocking sprinters that are trying to be faster than you > profit. Also AI isn't the best in this game either. Sometimes they are giving the breakaway 25 minutes, on the finish it's only 12. Why? Because I made all my riders to relay on 95%, that's why.

PeterRyder wrote:
I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call Wink


I don't know if you have the game or not, but look on stats of riders that have a lot victories. Well, from those 25 were only 4. Greipel, but he is a sprinter so winning flat stages using my strategy isn't a problem. I must check if it would be a problem on champion difficulty, just check. Barguil, but those 5 stages were hilly/mountain ones. Kwiatkowski which has stats that make him fight on any terrain. He have mostly more than 75 in almost everywhere. And Sanchez, but he have 76(?) in sprint so don't tell me you wouldn't try to gain some seconds on GC. With other riders there are mostly only some top 10 on those flat stages! Usually between 5th-10th place. It isn't giving me bonus seconds but definitely looks better than all 21 stages with 50th place.
 
superider2010
on champion difficulty most of the time they let breakaways at 5-12 min but they catch 80% of breakaways.rarely happens to let over 15 min and they won't catch them finishing like 2 min ahead and i don't need to relay
if i have a rider who can win the race,well i put the weakest rider(s) at relay 70 to not let the breakaways to be big in riders or over 15 min.keep in mind recovery at champion difficulty is poor.just 1 stage being in a long breakaway cost you a lot
 
PeterRyder
dominox wrote:
PeterRyder wrote:
I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call Wink


I don't know if you have the game or not, but look on stats of riders that have a lot victories. Well, from those 25 were only 4. Greipel, but he is a sprinter so winning flat stages using my strategy isn't a problem. I must check if it would be a problem on champion difficulty, just check. Barguil, but those 5 stages were hilly/mountain ones. Kwiatkowski which has stats that make him fight on any terrain. He have mostly more than 75 in almost everywhere. And Sanchez, but he have 76(?) in sprint so don't tell me you wouldn't try to gain some seconds on GC. With other riders there are mostly only some top 10 on those flat stages! Usually between 5th-10th place. It isn't giving me bonus seconds but definitely looks better than all 21 stages with 50th place.

I have the game but I never played the actuaol TdF, so I can't tell, and that's why I said tou you decise as you know better than me.
 
Forever the Best
dominox wrote:
I know that there is much more difference between professional-hard than between easy-professional. That's why I never played on hard (even on last year game), because not only it wouldn't be easy itself to finish inside top 10 on any stage, but probably it would made me finish with every rider some places lower than I expected. And make me frustrated a lot. I hate that Wink. Also I didn't played on easy either (okay, once with Cancellara (2015) I rode a prologue just to see difference, 35 seconds better than 2nd place on prologue just prove me to never ever play on easy). That's why I'm playing on professional.

superider2010 wrote:
i attack with eddy merckx on champion difficulty and i barely get a top 10 a massive sprint and he is much better then kwiatkowski at stats or on every stat compared


First of all, you are playing on champion. Like the game is saying "You can win Tour only using long-term strategies" on this difficulty. Secondly, I don't know how you made your last 1,6km but I know how I made mine: top place in a peleton > start sprint 1,6km from finish > using full red gel while pressing sprint button > blocking sprinters that are trying to be faster than you > profit. Also AI isn't the best in this game either. Sometimes they are giving the breakaway 25 minutes, on the finish it's only 12. Why? Because I made all my riders to relay on 95%, that's why.

PeterRyder wrote:
I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call Wink


I don't know if you have the game or not, but look on stats of riders that have a lot victories. Well, from those 25 were only 4. Greipel, but he is a sprinter so winning flat stages using my strategy isn't a problem. I must check if it would be a problem on champion difficulty, just check. Barguil, but those 5 stages were hilly/mountain ones. Kwiatkowski which has stats that make him fight on any terrain. He have mostly more than 75 in almost everywhere. And Sanchez, but he have 76(?) in sprint so don't tell me you wouldn't try to gain some seconds on GC. With other riders there are mostly only some top 10 on those flat stages! Usually between 5th-10th place. It isn't giving me bonus seconds but definitely looks better than all 21 stages with 50th place.
Lol Samu 76 sprint? Lolollolololololol. Ridiculous stats by Cyanide once again. I am not surprised. Still ridiculous flat stages with Samu. Congrats on great races and keep the project going!
 
dominox
PeterRyder; Then we will see how it will go later.

The Schleck Fan wrote:
Lol Samu 76 sprint? Lolollolololololol. Ridiculous stats by Cyanide once again. I am not surprised. Still ridiculous flat stages with Samu. Congrats on great races and keep the project going!

Thanks, I will Grin. And yeah, some stats are seriously ridiculous. But at least Quintana have same MO stat as Froome (84).

pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/tinkoff.png Yuri Trofimov - Tinkoff

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GC: 31st +54'56"

1 stage44
2 stage34
3 stage254
4 stage55
5 stage2222
6 stage622
7 stage2524
8 stage2323
9 stage3026
10 stage1726
11 stage8426
12 stage4229
13 stage13329
14 stage8526
15 stage2326
16 stage3126
17 stage5426
18 stage8526
19 stage3832
20 stage5331
21 stage631


pcmdaily.com/files/Micros16/giant.png Laurens Ten Dam - Team Giant - Alpecin

New Fantasy leader! That was seriously really fast Tour.

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GC: 12th +14'47"

1 stage1111
2 stage33
3 stage143
4 stage63
5 stage76
6 stage966
7 stage2711
8 stage310
9 stage1311
10 stage811
11 stage6314
12 stage1514
13 stage15715
14 stage1615
15 stage1414
16 stage614
17 stage2015
18 stage7515
19 stage1015
20 stage712
21 stage1412
 
DiCyc
What? Ten Dam better than Porte? :lol:
 
PeterRyder
12th in general standings. 1st in Fantasy GC :lol:
 
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