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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-07-2016 12:18
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TdF without GC action at least until 2020, yeah, sounds great for a fan of the sport.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 12:22
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Sky don't need bikes anyway
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 12:26
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"Froome announces immediate retirement from the sport of cycling in order to pursue a gold in track and fields at the Olympics" |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 19-07-2016 12:36
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ringo182 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
deek12345 wrote:
LeMond doubts Sky
In an interview in L’Equipe, three-time winner Greg LeMond said there is “nothing worse than doubt.” After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology. What annoys me is to hear certain trainers say it’s all science fiction, which is disinformation. Others make us believe that they are ahead in science. These famous marginal gains of Team Sky? What a load of bollocks. There are no new training methods; it’s false. In this area, miracles don’t exist.”
I "doubt" Greg was clean during his career.
LeMond is actually one of the riders who is judged as clean during his career. We will never know ofc, still he was far from Froomes/SKY level of craziness. Explosive climber with high cadence crushing others in long TTs, sure, hello Mr. Armstrong...
Judged by who?
No riders during LeMond's era were clean, particularly the man who was at the top of the sport during that time. It could be argued that not too many top riders these days are clean.
I just find it hypercritical for a former pro, who dominated in a era ruled by drugs, to start making comments about current riders/teams. Is he honestly suggesting that Sky, the biggest and most highly scrutinised team in the world, is mechanically doping at the tour with all of the supposed security in place to catch mechanical doping at the moment?
First, i dont see himj talking about SKY doing mechanical doping, you just mixed up two informations together...
Second, he has extreme anti-doping stance right from the year 1989 and never was afraid to speak about doping and things around it. Many experts on cycling see him as possibly the "cleanest" winner of TdF in last decades, i rather believe them than you.
Also i would not say he dominated the era. He has won three Tours yeah, but he actually had technological headstart ahead of Fignon for example, it was possible in 1980s, unlike now, where technology is here for everybody who has money. Apart from these Tours and Dauphine + two WC titles he has not won so much, not domination at all. He also retired very soon, because he was lacking the power on riders who have started to use EPO and other stuff and he expressed it openly.
So please as a fan of Froome, don't take Lemond into your dirty mouth...
Firstly there's no need for personal insults. I'm no real fan of Froome. I just find the whole anti Sky/British rider/team stance on this message board very tedious.
Secondly "After raising doubts about motors in the peloton, he also had a go at Sky, saying this: “Froome turns the legs so fast that it’s contrary to the laws of physiology." I take that to be a quote about mechanical doping and Sky. Unless he's talking about 2 completely unrelated things which have been stuck together in a poorly worded sentence.
Thirdly - Lemond was ahead of his time in terms of technology so clearly wasn't doping according to you. Sky are ahead of their time in terms of training methods and sports science so are obviously doping according to you. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
I dont care if Froome/SKY are british, kenyan, american, czech,russian or from Mars really. It is just you british fans thinking that whole world is jealous or what, that is sick crap and remind nme norwegians with Hushovd/EBH. 
You defend him again and again, so it is natural that i see you as his fan, or at least you seem proud that GB has athlete like this...
I believe he speaks about two separate things, therefore he used the word "after". But maybe i am wrong, you are native english speaker in the end, so this is likely my bad.
Superior training methods in 21 century are BS, rich teams have same conditions in training. Science yes, but science of doping and that is all about money.
I only defend him because everyone seems to be on a witch hunt against him all of the time. To be honest I find his dominance quite boring as unless he crashes he will win the tour this year and for the next 3 or 4 years at least. Quintana seems to have peaked and unless he dramatically improves his TT he will never challenge.
Sounds a lot like the other guy... |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 12:48
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Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal? |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 13:05
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Gazprom will.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 19-07-2016 13:18
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ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
No they wont. This is another ..both are pro teams ..based in different country. Riding just under a russian flag and money.
And pro cycling is way better condition about fight against dopers then any other sport. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 13:41
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Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
No they wont. This is another ..both are pro teams ..based in different country. Riding just under a russian flag and money.
And pro cycling is way better condition about fight against dopers then any other sport.
How about the football team? Would be interesting for the hosts of the World Cup to suspended for state sponsored doping |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 19-07-2016 13:53
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Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
No they wont. This is another ..both are pro teams ..based in different country. Riding just under a russian flag and money.
And pro cycling is way better condition about fight against dopers then any other sport.
What makes you think that?
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| Strydz |
Posted on 19-07-2016 14:00
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Shame indeed. If Strydz finds cycling cleaner after that..good for him. I believe sponsor has done more good then evil for cycling (specially Dutch). They had not just pro team ..but also several development teams supporters.
For me it is classy sponsor ..and legend team sponsor as Lampre, Mapei, Once etc. I never questioned where Mapei cheated to be successful firm.
Week ago I did see used Rabo Giant bike at the Giant shop for sale. Damn it was beauty. Thankfully it was small size.
I was at no stage talking about what Rabobank did in cycling, yes they were long term sponsors of the sport which is great but they have been proven to be a dodgy corrupt company so I think you can't separate the two. It's like saying we should be okay with the possible new Bahrain team entering the sport with all their money yet ignore what many have claimed about the Prince behind the project.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 19-07-2016 14:13
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ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
Katusha do a good enough job getting themselves caught up in doping positives without the help of the Russian government 
2009 Pfannberger and Colom
2011 Kolobnev
2012 Galimzyanov and Caruso
2015 Poalini and Vorganov
Not to mention a heap of other very dodgy folk that have been or are still associated with the team.
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 14:22
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Strydz wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
No they wont. This is another ..both are pro teams ..based in different country. Riding just under a russian flag and money.
And pro cycling is way better condition about fight against dopers then any other sport.
What makes you think that?
Got to agree with Guido here just in the amount of tests that are conducted we are in a better shape and at least have a structure in place that catches people every year.
For example I have a friend who is a Professional Footballer in the UK who was tested 9 times in the last 2 years I know some other sports have half decent in competition testing but I'd say our out of competition testing is the best so far
EDIT: Whether we have the correct test for the newest drugs out there is a different story |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 15:07
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Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
Katusha do a good enough job getting themselves caught up in doping positives without the help of the Russian government
2009 Pfannberger and Colom
2011 Kolobnev
2012 Galimzyanov and Caruso
2015 Poalini and Vorganov
Not to mention a heap of other very dodgy folk that have been or are still associated with the team.
Well, we can agree Paolini's cocaine positive is one of the weirdest positives ever  |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 15:17
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Miguel98 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
Katusha do a good enough job getting themselves caught up in doping positives without the help of the Russian government
2009 Pfannberger and Colom
2011 Kolobnev
2012 Galimzyanov and Caruso
2015 Poalini and Vorganov
Not to mention a heap of other very dodgy folk that have been or are still associated with the team.
Well, we can agree Paolini's cocaine positive is one of the weirdest positives ever
State sponsored Cocaine use would be an entirely different matter |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 15:57
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Kennaugh has withdraw from the olympic squad and has been replaced by... Cummings. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 19-07-2016 16:09
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Miguel98 wrote:
Kennaugh has withdraw from the olympic squad and has been replaced by... Cummings.
I guess moaning does pay off sometimes then |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 19-07-2016 16:44
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jt1109 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
No they wont. This is another ..both are pro teams ..based in different country. Riding just under a russian flag and money.
And pro cycling is way better condition about fight against dopers then any other sport.
What makes you think that?
Got to agree with Guido here just in the amount of tests that are conducted we are in a better shape and at least have a structure in place that catches people every year.
For example I have a friend who is a Professional Footballer in the UK who was tested 9 times in the last 2 years I know some other sports have half decent in competition testing but I'd say our out of competition testing is the best so far
EDIT: Whether we have the correct test for the newest drugs out there is a different story
The Bio Passport has given cyclists and more importantly doctors parameters to work within, plus it was created in a way that it's almost impossible unless you really stuff up to ever trip it. I don't think cycling in better shape with the fight against doping but it has certainly created the perception that it is actually attempting to do something about it which in my opinion is window dressing.
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
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| Strydz |
Posted on 19-07-2016 16:47
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Looks like we might have a new cycling team coming from Qatar
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 19-07-2016 19:13
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Strydz wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
No they wont. This is another ..both are pro teams ..based in different country. Riding just under a russian flag and money.
And pro cycling is way better condition about fight against dopers then any other sport.
What makes you think that?
Got to agree with Guido here just in the amount of tests that are conducted we are in a better shape and at least have a structure in place that catches people every year.
For example I have a friend who is a Professional Footballer in the UK who was tested 9 times in the last 2 years I know some other sports have half decent in competition testing but I'd say our out of competition testing is the best so far
EDIT: Whether we have the correct test for the newest drugs out there is a different story
The Bio Passport has given cyclists and more importantly doctors parameters to work within, plus it was created in a way that it's almost impossible unless you really stuff up to ever trip it. I don't think cycling in better shape with the fight against doping but it has certainly created the perception that it is actually attempting to do something about it which in my opinion is window dressing.
I think we can at least be confident that the margins have been decreased. There is less of a benefit to cheating using micro doses to the point where I think (only think mind you  ) clean can compete in some top races. Now GT's and the demands they make, well who knows...
At least the advantage of cheating seems to have been decreased. Admittedly that's a silver lining to a very dark cloud. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 19-07-2016 20:36
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Strydz wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Anyone think Tinkoff and Katusha are involved/will get caught up in the Russian doping scandal?
No they wont. This is another ..both are pro teams ..based in different country. Riding just under a russian flag and money.
And pro cycling is way better condition about fight against dopers then any other sport.
What makes you think that?
That other sport dope test's are joke. Tennis, athletics, football etc.
When they announce olympics 6 h. after 100 sprint final..that every test was clean. Then fuck them..it is just a joke.
Football biggest replay is..why we need a doping? really why? look at they season. How much they play ...they need a ton's of recovery.
2015 Poalini..nice that you but him at dopers list. Funny party guy took a cocaine.
Bio passport is useful one..when you reading go's sky high after rest day. You are out the game. |
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