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#21

Posted on 08-07-2016 00:59

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22 minute difference from Barguil's 2nd to Porte's 3rd... lol

#22

Posted on 08-07-2016 12:48

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AbhishekLFC, It's really hard to admit, but yeah, every single time... Even last year he wasn't dominating so much. Nibali, Valverde, Contador, even Pinot could had won Tour. After 85 Tours, Froome won it 35 times, Nibali 31, Contador 10, Pinot 5 and Valverde 4 times. It looks like this time, Froome will win every single Tour... Unless I could make it with other rider. One thing I know, If I will play with Sky rider and it won't be Froomebot.exe, he will have "disabled" team comm. He will ride all along for himself.

PeterRyder, yeah, but look at the winner time on those TdFs

. Right there is 20min difference.

Tom Dumoulin - Team Giant - Alpecin

GC: 16th +17'30"

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Bad luck I finished outside of top 15. But at least 2nd place on first ITT. Not really good rider on mountain stages. Especially in 3rd week.

1 stage	9	9
2 stage	4	6
3 stage	8	8
4 stage	7	9
5 stage	11	11
6 stage	5	11
7 stage	23	18
8 stage	15	15
9 stage	15	15
10 stage	16	14
11 stage	13	14
12 stage	26	15
13 stage	2	15
14 stage	2	14
15 stage	12	14
16 stage	41	14
17 stage	31	15
18 stage	20	14
19 stage	27	15
20 stage	15	16
21 stage	10	16

#23

Posted on 11-07-2016 19:05

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3 riders today!

Paul Martens - Team LottoNL - Jumbo

GC: 43rd +1h13'22"

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1 stage	12	12
2 stage	3	3
3 stage	4	3
4 stage	2	2
5 stage	31	31
6 stage	15	38
7 stage	45	40
8 stage	43	44
9 stage	54	46
10 stage	10	46
11 stage	8	46
12 stage	41	46
13 stage	143	46
14 stage	11	44
15 stage	37	42
16 stage	7	42
17 stage	38	41
18 stage	134	42
19 stage	51	43
20 stage	76	43
21 stage	15	43

Taylor Phinney - BMC Racing Team

GC: 91st +2h19'48"

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1 stage	7	7
2 stage	45	22
3 stage	2	10
4 stage	15	10
5 stage	119	101
6 stage	2	76
7 stage	134	88
8 stage	83	87
9 stage	113	95
10 stage	6	95
11 stage	2	94
12 stage	67	82
13 stage	108	82
14 stage	12	80
15 stage	115	87
16 stage	2	87
17 stage	63	83
18 stage	146	85
19 stage	65	81
20 stage	118	91
21 stage	40	91

Joaquim Rodriguez - Team Katusha

First of all, I didn't realise that after intermediate sprint on stage 1, sprinters created a little group of 16 riders... 10 minutes lost on finish to them. At least no GC conteders were there. As I saw, Katusha have 3 riders that can possible fight for a top GC places. The best is Zakarin, little worse Spilak and Rodriguez (with "only" 79 in MO; Spilak have 80, Zakarin 81). Absolutely amazing first week. Of course I couldn't get yellow jersey so fast thanks to that 10 minutes on stage 1, but you have to admit, 4 stage wins on first week is pretty good result.

4 stage wins. Am I going to beat those 5 with Barguil?
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General Classification after 1 week:
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General Classification after 2 week:
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At least I finished 6th on overall standings and won points classification. "Only" 4 stage wins.

GC: 6th +5'03"

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1 stage	19	19
2 stage	1	17
3 stage	8	17
4 stage	1	17
5 stage	1	3
6 stage	7	3
7 stage	1	2
8 stage	4	1
9 stage	3	1
10 stage	13	1
11 stage	8	1
12 stage	9	1
13 stage	83	1
14 stage	14	1
15 stage	7	2
16 stage	3	2
17 stage	6	2
18 stage	69	5
19 stage	9	4
20 stage	12	6
21 stage	44	6

#24

Posted on 12-07-2016 17:44

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You floped hard in the last week...

#25

Posted on 16-07-2016 15:59

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PeterRyder; Maybe a little bit. But I don't think I could lose less on those 2 last mountain stages, also an ITT. You must remember that Rodriguez isn't Froome on TT

. Also it was mountain one, so almost 2 minutes to Contador/Froome/Pinot/Nibali and others was a minimum. -1 in daily condition on stage 20 also made it (its something like -1 in all statistics, so it was basically 78 in MO, there is at least 15 riders with more than 80 MO).

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Lawson Craddock - Cannondale Pro Cycling Team

68 stamina... And how you want to use properly your 77 in MO?

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GC: 40th +1h04'51"

1 stage	12	12
2 stage	55	31
3 stage	45	33
4 stage	84	40
5 stage	44	43
6 stage	12	43
7 stage	67	57
8 stage	64	63
9 stage	54	56
10 stage	25	56
11 stage	123	56
12 stage	32	46
13 stage	181	46
14 stage	177	48
15 stage	37	47
16 stage	166	47
17 stage	20	41
18 stage	74	41
19 stage	35	40
20 stage	33	40
21 stage	26	40

Andre Greipel - Lotto Soudal

I wasn't caring about GC much, he's sprint specialist, not Tour winner. Other thing worth to admit is Tony Gallopin winning stage 7 and 15.

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GC: 89th +2h12'48"

1 stage	1	1
2 stage	35	16
3 stage	1	14
4 stage	2	9
5 stage	117	97
6 stage	1	93
7 stage	130	104
8 stage	93	89
9 stage	74	90
10 stage	9	90
11 stage	1	89
12 stage	95	91
13 stage	198	92
14 stage	1	89
15 stage	117	98
16 stage	9	96
17 stage	69	93
18 stage	172	93
19 stage	55	89
20 stage	71	89
21 stage	1	89

Tom Boonen - Etixx - Quick Step

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GC: 79th +2h09'16"

1 stage	1	1
2 stage	56	35
3 stage	7	34
4 stage	3	33
5 stage	133	110
6 stage	11	98
7 stage	169	127
8 stage	50	82
9 stage	109	91
10 stage	9	90
11 stage	1	89
12 stage	87	86
13 stage	193	87
14 stage	6	83
15 stage	47	80
16 stage	9	80
17 stage	63	77
18 stage	164	81
19 stage	50	76
20 stage	94	79
21 stage	3	79

Mikel Landa - Team Sky

I decided to attack on first downhill from Colombier, hold my advantage to the top of last climb and managed to hold 1 minute to all favourites. Pretty nice victory. Last year I ended Tour on 9th place with Landa.

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GC: 7th +11'14"

1 stage	17	17
2 stage	8	5
3 stage	17	6
4 stage	7	10
5 stage	27	27
6 stage	13	27
7 stage	29	27
8 stage	5	21
9 stage	14	16
10 stage	10	16
11 stage	28	16
12 stage	12	15
13 stage	145	15
14 stage	12	15
15 stage	1	12
16 stage	61	12
17 stage	3	9
18 stage	37	10
19 stage	10	9
20 stage	12	7
21 stage	26	7

#26

Posted on 17-07-2016 14:44

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6 wins with Greipel

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#27

Posted on 17-07-2016 20:04

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dominox wrote:
It's really hard to admit, but yeah, every single time... Even last year he wasn't dominating so much. Nibali, Valverde, Contador, even Pinot could had won Tour. After 85 Tours, Froome won it 35 times, Nibali 31, Contador 10, Pinot 5 and Valverde 4 times. It looks like this time, Froome will win every single Tour...

Good to hear that it is more realistic now

#28

Posted on 21-07-2016 15:13

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PeterRyder; Well, Cavendish won 4 stages, Sagan 3 in real Tour, so...

Arberg27; But strangely game decided to break out of this standard.

Tom Van Asbroeck - Team LottoNL - Jumbo

Don't ask how Bertie won this Tour. I realised it after last stage.

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GC: 74th +2h09'07" / 2nd in PC

1 stage	4	4
2 stage	12	7
3 stage	13	10
4 stage	2	7
5 stage	101	88
6 stage	13	88
7 stage	97	89
8 stage	73	72
9 stage	56	67
10 stage	34	66
11 stage	1	65
12 stage	115	77
13 stage	194	81
14 stage	2	79
15 stage	88	81
16 stage	11	81
17 stage	57	76
18 stage	153	78
19 stage	51	73
20 stage	54	76
21 stage	10	74

MichaÅ‚ Kwiatkowski - Team Sky

Yes, its still lvl professional.

Again the same situation (probably some sort of bug). First stage, sprinters are finishing on the intermediate sprint and the peloton isn't chasing them, the group gain 11 minutes, Kwiatkowski is in that group... He is a good puncheur, but also can climb, and sprint. So he was gaining time on flat stages thanks to winning them. Hilly ones? No problem of gaining another 30". GC after first week:

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On Mont Ventoux I lose 4 minutes to Froome, 2-3 minutes to other favourites. Also an ITT, -2 in daily condition but still 27th place. Stage 14, really windy one. Riders made big effort (even Froome lost 1'28), I decided to attack about 10km from finish line. I gained about 35 seconds. Another victory? No problem on stage 16. GC after second week:

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From this moment I was starting to believe that I can actually win that Tour. At the beginning I thought that 11 minutes after first week is nice results, but I will lose everything when real mountain would come... Second week ends and still 7 minutes in front. Only 3 mountain stages and one ITT. So how about 3rd week? Well, almost 5 minutes lost to winner on stage 17, on stage 18 1'30". Another 5 minutes on stage 19 so possible victory was gone. 4'30" on stage 20 (just to much energy spent on previous stages, last 20km I was riding completely empty). But at least I was a leader for 18 stages. I think I don't have to say that I won points classification?

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GC: 6th +6'46"

1 stage	1	1
2 stage	9	1
3 stage	1	1
4 stage	1	1
5 stage	1	1
6 stage	3	1
7 stage	1	1
8 stage	6	1
9 stage	32	1
10 stage	1	1
11 stage	6	1
12 stage	17	1
13 stage	27	1
14 stage	1	1
15 stage	14	1
16 stage	1	1
17 stage	24	1
18 stage	67	1
19 stage	20	5
20 stage	25	6
21 stage	4	6

As a proof of that 8 stage wins:

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#29

Posted on 25-07-2016 23:11

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I would say you should up the difficulty becuase 8 stages is WAY too much unrealistic... but it can influentiate the fantasy GC.

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#30

Posted on 25-07-2016 23:17

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Lol ridiculous race with Kwiatek

#31

Posted on 26-07-2016 12:26

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PeterRyder; I know how it looks, but it isn't as "easy" as it look

. Winning flat stages isn't really big deal. You starting sprint about 1,6km to go and using that red gel at the same time. More than 70 in sprint and you can win easily some flat stages. Also Kwiatek has more than 75 in stats almost everywhere so I was just using his potential. Game will not do that cause Sky has Froome. Same with Sanchez below, 75 in sprint and you're winning flat stages like Cav in this Tour. Also you are saying that 8 stages is way to unrealistic? Wait until Sagan then

. But I have to admit that now finishing is much easier than last year. Also I won't increase difficulty. As you said it can influent the fantasy GC and made me more frustrated on the game itself (already made me sick sometimes...).

Also if you want I will try to not sprint with every rider and winning flat stages like crazy (but you know, bonus seconds). Only with pure sprinters. Is that okay?

The Schleck Fan; Wouldn't be so ridiculous if not those 10 minutes on stage 1.

Samuel Sanchez - BMC Racing Team

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GC: 5th +6'38"

You have an example below, with those results I gained about 1'20". If not, I would finish probably 7th with about 9 minutes to leader (time difference on those stages).

1 stage	5	5
2 stage	1	1
3 stage	2	1
4 stage	1	1
5 stage	1	1
6 stage	1	1
7 stage	2	1
8 stage	3	1
9 stage	16	1
10 stage	6	1
11 stage	1	1
12 stage	7	1
13 stage	23	1
14 stage	1	1
15 stage	11	1
16 stage	2	1
17 stage	12	4
18 stage	56	5
19 stage	12	5
20 stage	9	5
21 stage	3	5

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Ion Izagirre - Movistar Team

On stage 20 I used my +2 in daily form and went into early breakaway. Amazing victory in Morzine. Also top 15 in GC!

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GC: 14th +15'38"

1 stage	22	22
2 stage	3	19
3 stage	4	18
4 stage	8	17
5 stage	21	15
6 stage	7	15
7 stage	27	22
8 stage	16	14
9 stage	47	20
10 stage	14	20
11 stage	70	23
12 stage	17	20
13 stage	66	19
14 stage	11	19
15 stage	28	21
16 stage	29	20
17 stage	34	21
18 stage	87	22
19 stage	24	23
20 stage	1	14
21 stage	27	14

#32

Posted on 26-07-2016 22:54

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I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call

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#33

Posted on 27-07-2016 15:03

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PeterRyder wrote:
I would say you should up the difficulty becuase 8 stages is WAY too much unrealistic... but it can influentiate the fantasy GC.

his dificulty is proffesional(medium) but it's more an easy difficulty
what he say it's hard it isn't
you can't win with kwiatkowski on massive sprint against sprinters on a hard difficulty just on easy
i attack with eddy merckx on champion difficulty and i barely get a top 10 a massive sprint and he is much better then kwiatkowski at stats or on every stat compared

#34

Posted on 27-07-2016 16:47

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I know that there is much more difference between professional-hard than between easy-professional. That's why I never played on hard (even on last year game), because not only it wouldn't be easy itself to finish inside top 10 on any stage, but probably it would made me finish with every rider some places lower than I expected. And make me frustrated a lot. I hate that

. Also I didn't played on easy either (okay, once with Cancellara (2015) I rode a prologue just to see difference, 35 seconds better than 2nd place on prologue just prove me to never ever play on easy). That's why I'm playing on professional.

superider2010 wrote:
i attack with eddy merckx on champion difficulty and i barely get a top 10 a massive sprint and he is much better then kwiatkowski at stats or on every stat compared

First of all, you are playing on champion. Like the game is saying "You can win Tour only using long-term strategies" on this difficulty. Secondly, I don't know how you made your last 1,6km but I know how I made mine: top place in a peleton > start sprint 1,6km from finish > using full red gel while pressing sprint button > blocking sprinters that are trying to be faster than you > profit. Also AI isn't the best in this game either. Sometimes they are giving the breakaway 25 minutes, on the finish it's only 12. Why? Because I made all my riders to relay on 95%, that's why.

PeterRyder wrote:
I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call

I don't know if you have the game or not, but look on stats of riders that have a lot victories. Well, from those 25 were only 4. Greipel, but he is a sprinter so winning flat stages using my strategy isn't a problem. I must check if it would be a problem on champion difficulty, just check. Barguil, but those 5 stages were hilly/mountain ones. Kwiatkowski which has stats that make him fight on any terrain. He have mostly more than 75 in almost everywhere. And Sanchez, but he have 76(?) in sprint so don't tell me you wouldn't try to gain some seconds on GC. With other riders there are mostly only some top 10 on those flat stages! Usually between 5th-10th place. It isn't giving me bonus seconds but definitely looks better than all 21 stages with 50th place.

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Posted on 27-07-2016 17:16

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on champion difficulty most of the time they let breakaways at 5-12 min but they catch 80% of breakaways.rarely happens to let over 15 min and they won't catch them finishing like 2 min ahead and i don't need to relay
if i have a rider who can win the race,well i put the weakest rider(s) at relay 70 to not let the breakaways to be big in riders or over 15 min.keep in mind recovery at champion difficulty is poor.just 1 stage being in a long breakaway cost you a lot

#36

Posted on 27-07-2016 23:03

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dominox wrote:

PeterRyder wrote:
I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call

I have the game but I never played the actuaol TdF, so I can't tell, and that's why I said tou you decise as you know better than me.

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Posted on 27-07-2016 23:21

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dominox wrote:
I know that there is much more difference between professional-hard than between easy-professional. That's why I never played on hard (even on last year game), because not only it wouldn't be easy itself to finish inside top 10 on any stage, but probably it would made me finish with every rider some places lower than I expected. And make me frustrated a lot. I hate that

superider2010 wrote:
i attack with eddy merckx on champion difficulty and i barely get a top 10 a massive sprint and he is much better then kwiatkowski at stats or on every stat compared

PeterRyder wrote:
I don't think it's fair that you cut yourself in the flat stages, but I also think it may be abusive to win 6 stages with Samu p.e.
So it's your call

Lol Samu 76 sprint? Lolollolololololol. Ridiculous stats by Cyanide once again. I am not surprised. Still ridiculous flat stages with Samu. Congrats on great races and keep the project going!