You are Kreuziger supporter..always had been. No blame for that..it is natural.
2013..yes. Bertie had motivation problems. But 2014, 2015 he was great. Of corse this is not 2009 Bertie ..but possible good enough to challenge Froome-Quintana duo.
Tinkoff has more ambition ..he wont start aiming top 8 place at tour. If Contador will abandon (he wont)..then all team will be behind Sagan and Kreuziger,..or some other guy will get a free role. Like Kreuziger helped Sagan today.
At the end..Contador is not done! He prepared for tour..beside he's hall of fame guy, he is still is at least top 3 rider...with some luck also Tour winner candidate.
I was indeed, in the end he was the "star" czech cycling missed for decades. But he really totally lost me with several things. His work for Vino at Olympic games, his doping case, where he was not able to admit that he has done wrong and regret it. He is also incredibly "cold" to the fans and never was open about his career on his site or other sources. So he lost me and i dont support him for quite some years now, i cant.
I can respect him as the perfect teammate though and above average GT rider of his generation.
He is kind of waste of talent. Was already stunning one week racer..was looking that nothing will stop become also GT rider.
Still..it is fun to watch top form Kreuziger. Turning big ring at mountains.
Being top domestique is awesome job also. I have full respect against Heras, Porte, Klöden..etc.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 03-07-2016 18:20
Contador with one leg is still better for GC than Kreuziger in a Grand Tour.
Kreuz will fail as well but Conta has 0 chance of win which means Conta should abandon
I hope one of the Astana duo wins now
Well, the Astana duo has no chance of winning against Froome/Quintana. I think they should abandon.
Contador with today showing won't even hit top 10.He will lose minutes on Le Lioran.Also Aru is here for podium while Nibali is here for stage wins.
So in short the trolling attempt by you was unsuccessful
You can't tell me, that Aru/Nibali are not here, to try to win the Tour.
Also Contador crashed twice today.
I know that Contador crashed today as well.But his injuries aren't gonna heal fully by the time Wednesday comes.Sky and Movistar will go full retard and Contador will lose minutes that day elimnaring his chances for the overall win.Plus the energy will be used to heal the pain instead of recover.
Contador is not the kind of lad to retire after losing 50 seconds in the second stage...
I know.But he should abandon because his injuries will make him lose minutes on Wednesday and he won't recover in time for Pyrenees.I am a Contador fan as well but you have to be realistic.
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Guido, the Tour is waaay differently. Here you have the 2 best GT's rider at the moment, you don't have Kruijswijk in 1st place and Chaves in 2nd, largely unknown quantities in those situations. Quintana and Froome aren't, Quintana is a killer, Froome has taken the jersey on the first MTF in 13 and 15 and kept it.
Different scenario, could happen, but its not likely.
It is still 3 week GT..and 3week mountains will decide a winner. Give me some bad weather days..few more road rash crashes. And overall situation can be changed.
Like 2015 ..90% was sure that it will be so easy for Froomy, but Quintana came that close. This year Nairo will be even stronger..and Bertie is focusing for tour. We will see Aru later..all fun ahead.
Nobody bar the biggest troll here says that race is over after day2. Just that Contador is in some serious troubles and for me, i cant see him closing almost a minute on riders, who were already bigger favourites on same terms, Quintana and Froome. But yeah, they can crash too ofc.
Contador is injured that is why he has 0 chance to win the Tour.If he is fully recovered by Wednesday(which I give 0 chance) the time loss today will not be that big of an issue.The bigger issue is the injury.
He can lose because of the 47 seconds but I think he will lose his GC hopes totally at Wednesday and thus the bigger issue is injury not the time loss
As much as I love that trademark banging handlebars, it would be nice to see him winning a stage/race of importance. Way too many second places in his short career so far, but he seems like he is a winner.
One of the big 3 was going to have bad luck, this was inevaetable and it just happens to be Contador this year, the race isn't over for him yet but 2 days like that does play with your head. He was always going to struggle to beat Froome and Quintana unless something went wrong with them so having this happen in the opening two days almost makes it almost impossible. It's a changing of guard type of season and Contador is certainly the past, he will still win races and could pull out a GT next season but he'll never win a Tour again.
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One of the big 3 was going to have bad luck, this was inevaetable and it just happens to be Contador this year, the race isn't over for him yet but 2 days like that does play with your head. He was always going to struggle to beat Froome and Quintana unless something went wrong with them so having this happen in the opening two days almost makes it almost impossible. It's a changing of guard type of season and Contador is certainly the past, he will still win races and could pull out a GT next season but he'll never win a Tour again.
Maybe he is finished with bad luck in this race,maybe it will pass to someone else?
So,you think these 48 seconds can't be won back?
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One of the big 3 was going to have bad luck, this was inevaetable and it just happens to be Contador this year, the race isn't over for him yet but 2 days like that does play with your head. He was always going to struggle to beat Froome and Quintana unless something went wrong with them so having this happen in the opening two days almost makes it almost impossible. It's a changing of guard type of season and Contador is certainly the past, he will still win races and could pull out a GT next season but he'll never win a Tour again.
Maybe he is finished with bad luck in this race,maybe it will pass to someone else?
So,you think these 48 seconds can't be won back?
It's not about the 48 seconds it's more that I don't think he is as good as Froome or Quintana in full flight anymore.
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48 can easily be won back, depending on who is 48 seconds behind, obviously. Quintana has showed that is possible in '13 and '15 against the mighty TdF Froome.
However, Contador at 100% is likely to be put in difficulties on the big climbs when those two are going full gas. His condition will obviously increase, but the amount of power your body use to recover such severe crashes/injuries is immense, at least early on. He won't be at 100% in the Pyrenees, but if he somehow improves dramatically ahead of the stage to Le Lioran and the Pyrenees and doesn't lose time, he still has an outside shot.
But he was always tipped just to have an outside shot against those two, barring crashes, all at 100%. Now it will just be a lot more difficult.
Strydz wrote:
One of the big 3 was going to have bad luck, this was inevaetable and it just happens to be Contador this year, the race isn't over for him yet but 2 days like that does play with your head. He was always going to struggle to beat Froome and Quintana unless something went wrong with them so having this happen in the opening two days almost makes it almost impossible. It's a changing of guard type of season and Contador is certainly the past, he will still win races and could pull out a GT next season but he'll never win a Tour again.
Maybe he is finished with bad luck in this race,maybe it will pass to someone else?
So,you think these 48 seconds can't be won back?
It's not about the 48 seconds it's more that I don't think he is as good as Froome or Quintana in full flight anymore.
Contador is the best tactician of the 3 tho. Wasn't it in Vuelta a few years ago where he was down a fair bit and attacked on a flat stage and ended up winning?
I do agree, I dont think he will win this tour, but that is mostly because I believe he is injured, is already down a minute and probably has the weakest team of the 3.
In the future with tactics, luck and everything else he can still win, I mean Nibali won the tour, Wiggins won the tour. Would I put money on it? No. But he could.
Edited by valverde321 on 04-07-2016 00:06
Yeah, and the 48 seconds won't most likely matter anyways. Its his health thats the most important at this point. I'd much rather lose 1.40 like Porte and still be intact, I bet Contador would prefer the same.
Regardless, he will need a miracle. Not a Nibali 2016-miracle, but much, much bigger, but he is a fighter. But history has shown us in the past, especially when it comes to Contador post-ban TdF, that you can fight and have all the heart you wan't, but when Sky put the hammer down, you're gone if your legs are gone. And that is likely to be the case.
Le Lioran could end the little hope he and his supporters, fans of the race have. I think some teams want to capitalise, presumably Astana, maybe, Ag2r, FDJ maybe. Their chances of a podium will rise significantly putting Contador completely out of it.
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One of the big 3 was going to have bad luck, this was inevaetable and it just happens to be Contador this year, the race isn't over for him yet but 2 days like that does play with your head. He was always going to struggle to beat Froome and Quintana unless something went wrong with them so having this happen in the opening two days almost makes it almost impossible. It's a changing of guard type of season and Contador is certainly the past, he will still win races and could pull out a GT next season but he'll never win a Tour again.
Maybe he is finished with bad luck in this race,maybe it will pass to someone else?
So,you think these 48 seconds can't be won back?
It's not about the 48 seconds it's more that I don't think he is as good as Froome or Quintana in full flight anymore.
Contador is the best tactician of the 3 tho. Wasn't it in Vuelta a few years ago where he was down a fair bit and attacked on a flat stage and ended up winning?
I do agree, I dont think he will win this tour, but that is mostly because I believe he is injured, is already down a minute and probably has the weakest team of the 3.
In the future with tactics, luck and everything else he can still win, I mean Nibali won the tour, Wiggins won the tour. Would I put money on it? No. But he could.
Yes he is a great tactician and those Vuelta antics really did show that but it was the Vuelta afterall, the teams here are stronger than any teams he went up against at the Vuelta, Frrome and Quintana are peaking for this race and there is no denying that he is older and declining. That last bit is why I didn't think before the race that he would win the Tour and now with 2 days of bad luck to dent the confidence and possible injuries I just don't see how he wins the race. He could finish on the podium but we all know he won't ride for just a podium place.
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