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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 15-04-2016 21:44
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Thanks.
That's very hard
@Spilak23 Mortirolo-Santa Cristina combo would be an awesome stage.Maybe the best stage of the race.Huge gaps all around. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 16-04-2016 16:37
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Riis123 wrote:
It doesn't work like that. It could very well end up being a borefest, its high-risk, high-reward, but finishing the Pyrenees without a MTF isn't optimal with 3 descent finishes in a row. Well,how about having stage 8 finish in Peyragudes and have stage 9 with Gallina-Comella-Beixalis combo?
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Posted on 16-04-2016 16:45
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Also you can have the finish of stage 9 as a Rabassa-Gallina-Os de Civis combo as Visko did in El Foro de los Puertos de Montaña forum.
https://apmforo.mforos.com/1304526/954...5#87832904
Os de Civis(from Bixessarri)so 6KM %8.3 Avg
But maybe the parking can be a problem.In that case the finish can be in town.
Which means 4.5 KM %7.4 AVG
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Posted on 16-04-2016 16:49
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Can you guys limit the number of nested quotes to a reasonable amount please? Even on a wide screen it really deteriorates the flow of the discussion. Thanks.
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Posted on 16-04-2016 16:49
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togo95 wrote:
Can you guys limit the number of nested quotes to a reasonable amount please? Even on a wide screen it really deteriorates the flow of the discussion. Thanks. Yeah,it can be bad.Editing now. |
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Posted on 16-04-2016 17:20
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Riis123 wrote:
Also, am I the only one actually liking the Vuelta? I somehow like just stacking Murito's/MTF's for the sake of having fun, to differ from Giro and Vuelta and they have clearly enjoyed big name presence especially the last years. Its kind of a rematch. You can make a great stage and it can be a murito finish with a Sierra Nevada-La Zubia combo as Libertine Seguros did in CN forum: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopi...5#p1561275
Sierra Nevada from Pinos Genil-El Dornajo side:
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 16-04-2016 17:59
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Yes, it would obviously be better if they put some obstacles in beforehand, but for some reason they don't like that much of the time. They are creating cycling for the newer generation, the Youtube-generation, and it has worked so far. Last year was boring, but I don't hold the route accountable for that honestly.
Guillen also said that he didnt want to make a too hard Vuelta this year due to the Olympics. But Froome and Quintana usually does the Vuelta after the Tour, so does other, so thats that. |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 16-04-2016 20:27
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Riis123 wrote:
Yes, it would obviously be better if they put some obstacles in beforehand, but for some reason they don't like that much of the time. They are creating cycling for the newer generation, the Youtube-generation, and it has worked so far. Last year was boring, but I don't hold the route accountable for that honestly.
Guillen also said that he didnt want to make a too hard Vuelta this year due to the Olympics. But Froome and Quintana usually does the Vuelta after the Tour, so does other, so thats that. Indeed,stage 16 was patheticly raced,and it was a great designed stage.But only stages 12 and 13 look good in this years Vuelta.And they are repeating the __________/ kind of stage.At least Aitana is back.Also they could have used the Balneario de Panticosa instead of Formigal.
About the Tour,you said that no MTF in the Pyrenees would be a problem,which I agree,but stage 8 can finish in Peyragudes and stage 9 can be the combo of Gallina-Comella-Beixalis finishing with a DH in Andorra la Vella.That way the no MTF in the Pyrenees problem won't be here.You can also make a Rabassa-Gallina-Os de Civis combo in stage 9 and it would be a HTF |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 16-04-2016 21:14
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You could make all kinds of things really, there is not super much which limit the possibilities apart from who have money to host a finish |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 18-05-2016 15:52
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I guess the stage today proved me, Stromeon and The Schleck Fan's point. Good on RCS to spice an otherwise boring Po-valley stage up with these climbs in the end! |
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Posted on 18-05-2016 15:54
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Riis123 wrote:
I guess the stage today proved me, Stromeon and The Schleck Fan's point. Good on RCS to spice an otherwise boring Po-valley stage up with these climbs in the end! +1000000.
And Nizzolo was still able to finish 4th and Modolo was 7th. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 18-05-2016 15:56
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
I guess the stage today proved me, Stromeon and The Schleck Fan's point. Good on RCS to spice an otherwise boring Po-valley stage up with these climbs in the end! +1000000.
And Nizzolo was still able to finish 4th and Modolo was 7th.
Exactly.
Make the sprinters work for it, Milano San Remo style. Much. much better racing. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 20-05-2016 16:37
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Lets take the discussion to this thread instead.
Iguwell claiming the first mountain stage first is on stage 19 is obviously not true, but he has some points.
Stage 13 and 14 are very well designed. Like really friggin good. Hard climb-easy climb approach. Today's stage could have been better had it finished in the bottom of the decent, but no big deal.
However, the problem with stage 13 is the fact that the Giro's hardest stage is stage 14 which means it will hamper the action today. Therefore, a MTF would have been better today to at least ensure time gaps when you have the queen stage tomorrow, however, the stage in itself is good.
You have the same problem tomorrow. Very good stage design, but now you just have a hard mountain time trial the day after. That will hamper some action and the big guns will think twice before going all out. Could result in some passive racing, but on the other hand, tomorrow's stage is SO hard that we will see big gaps. But the racing will be better if you had an easier stage.
I could write page up and page down about it, but I just want to go over those 2 specific stages since they have an immense potential, but won't be used to their fullest. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 26-05-2016 13:40
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https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/road-ra...t6908.html
We already have seen the deciding stages, but here are everyone. 4 sprints in the first week is about normal, but stage 5 and 7 will be the highlights of the first week. At least for me. Also note the long stages, it will tire people and make the Pyrenées tougher.
Disappointed over the stage to Revel and Bern. I thought both would be tougher. The strong Rouluers and the Sagan7GVA-types will be disappointed considering what they have gotten the last couple of years.
Very good Tour for pure climbers and pure sprinters, not too many intermediate stages.
All in all, 7,5/10 from me. Had a few more of the flat stages been better for the classic-types, it would've been 8. Very limited possibilities for them which is a shame.
A long, flat 50-60 ITT would obviously be preferred, but I think the mountain stages and stages 5 and 15 are very good. Looks like a good Tour. 
I still miss a proper Queen stage in the Alps. 3 HC climbs, + 200 kilometres. But you cant get everything. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 29-05-2016 10:50
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Riis123 wrote:
https://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/road-ra...t6908.html
We already have seen the deciding stages, but here are everyone. 4 sprints in the first week is about normal, but stage 5 and 7 will be the highlights of the first week. At least for me. Also note the long stages, it will tire people and make the Pyrenées tougher.
Disappointed over the stage to Revel and Bern. I thought both would be tougher. The strong Rouluers and the Sagan7GVA-types will be disappointed considering what they have gotten the last couple of years.
Very good Tour for pure climbers and pure sprinters, not too many intermediate stages.
All in all, 7,5/10 from me. Had a few more of the flat stages been better for the classic-types, it would've been 8. Very limited possibilities for them which is a shame.
A long, flat 50-60 ITT would obviously be preferred, but I think the mountain stages and stages 5 and 15 are very good. Looks like a good Tour.
I still miss a proper Queen stage in the Alps. 3 HC climbs, + 200 kilometres. But you cant get everything.
Had missed this in the excitement of the last few days of the Giro, thanks for posting the link.
The full profile reveal is pretty disappointing as all the stages we didn't know anything about before are just boring flat stages. The (albeit excellently designed) stage to Lioran is literally the only hilly stage in the entire race. I count 9 bunch sprints, which is at least two too many (even given the Tour's propensity for more sprints than the other two GT's).
Agree with you on the Bern and Revel stages being really disappointing, they're ideally placed for some nice hilly stages which the route really needs, both in terms of pacing (i.e. where they come in the order of the stages) and geographical location - in fact the stage to Bern goes through prime Jura territory (think 2012 Tour Pontarlier stage that Pinot won) which they've completely ignored in favour of yet another bunch sprint.
That aside, I'd forgotten that the flat ITT is only 37km. This Tour is once again hilariously unbalanced in favour of climbers (I suppose I'm not complaining too much for Nairo's sake, though). I believe, though don't quote me on this, that this is the highest number of total cat.1 & HC climbs in any Tour de France ever (14 cat.1 and 7 HC). Thankfully though, we do have well-designed mountain stages - the only one that's a bit meh is the Le Bettex stage, which just seems like an unnecessary extra MTF given what we've already got. Nevertheless 4 descent finishes is a welcome return away from the horrors of 9 consecutive uphill finishes last year, and especially Joux-Plane as the last stage (I've been banging on for at least a couple of years now about how having the last mountain stage as a descent finish is way better than having it as a MTF; the Vuelta last year proved me right and I'm glad to see the Tour has recognised this).
It has its flaws, but it's still one of the best Tour routes they've produced in the last few years, and infinitely better than that garbage of a Vuelta route we've got this year, which appears designed to actively reduce interest and excitement.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 11:13
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Kittel having a good shot at winning the stage with the highest Col says it all! 
And yes, its disappointing how they have managed to avoid all of that in Bern considering how relatively many sprints they have so far. But I guess it won't be a sprint anyways. The intermediate stages in 2014 and 2015 were infinitely better than this.
I love the hilly stages, always produce good racing in TdF. Its either flatlands or mountains, super divided and not very balanced at all, unfortunately. |
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Posted on 29-05-2016 11:25
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Riis123 wrote:
Kittel having a good shot at winning the stage with the highest Col says it all!
And yes, its disappointing how they have managed to avoid all of that in Bern considering how relatively many sprints they have so far. But I guess it won't be a sprint anyways. The intermediate stages in 2014 and 2015 were infinitely better than this.
I love the hilly stages, always produce good racing in TdF. Its either flatlands or mountains, super divided and not very balanced at all, unfortunately. That Envalira stage is super-shitty. |
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Posted on 29-05-2016 11:35
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Also you can do a Bonaigua-Canto-Rabassa-Gallina-Lac d'Engolasters combo.
After climbing Bonaigua and Canto and coming to La Seu d'Urgell they do the Rabassa-Gallina-Comella-Engolasters combo as LS did on CN forum.The stage would be 200 kms.
For more details:https://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopi...5#p1580945
Comella-Engolasters combo has a climbing total of 9.5 km with %8 and there are 2.5 km of descent between Comella and Engolasters which means it is 12.1 km with %5.3 with the descent.
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Posted on 29-05-2016 12:26
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Also you can do a Bonaigua-Canto-Rabassa-Gallina-Lac d'Engolasters combo.
After climbing Bonaigua and Canto and coming to La Seu d'Urgell they do the Rabassa-Gallina-Comella-Engolasters combo as LS did on CN forum.The stage would be 200 kms.
For more details: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopi...5#p1580945
Comella-Engolasters combo has a climbing total of 9.5 km with %8 and there are 2.5 km of descent between Comella and Engolasters which means it is 12.1 km with %5.3 with the descent.
You could in a hypothetical world, but I doubt Llac d'Engolasters has the $$$ that Arcalis is willing to pay ASO. Given that they finish the stage at Arcalis they've done a pretty good job of the stage, unlike the 2009 _____/ affair. It's not significantly worse than Libertine's stage.
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Posted on 29-05-2016 12:27
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Stromeon wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
Also you can do a Bonaigua-Canto-Rabassa-Gallina-Lac d'Engolasters combo.
After climbing Bonaigua and Canto and coming to La Seu d'Urgell they do the Rabassa-Gallina-Comella-Engolasters combo as LS did on CN forum.The stage would be 200 kms.
For more details: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopi...5#p1580945
Comella-Engolasters combo has a climbing total of 9.5 km with %8 and there are 2.5 km of descent between Comella and Engolasters which means it is 12.1 km with %5.3 with the descent.
You could in a hypothetical world, but I doubt Llac d'Engolasters has the $$$ that Arcalis is willing to pay ASO. Given that they finish the stage at Arcalis they've done a pretty good job of the stage, unlike the 2009 _____/ affair. It's not significantly worse than Libertine's stage. I don't think anything will happen before Arcalis though. |
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