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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 28-05-2016 16:38
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81: Nibali and Kruijswijk
80: Valverde and Chaves
79: Majka, Zakarin
78: Jungels; Uran, Nieve
77: Amador, Pozzovivo, Fuglsang, Scarponi |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 28-05-2016 16:40
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Arberg27 wrote:
81: Nibali and Kruijswijk
80: Valverde and Chaves
79: Majka, Zakarin
78: Jungels; Uran, Nieve
77: Amador, Pozzovivo, Fuglsang, Scarponi What about our bet?
Also Nibali still deserves 82 after the last 2 days |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 28-05-2016 16:51
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What do you think Dombrowski should get after this Giro? I'm actually wondering, I don't even have the DB so I don't know where he is.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 28-05-2016 16:53
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He's at 75MO right now, which seems about fine to me. Maybe he could get his REC bumped a little from 69.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 28-05-2016 17:12
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Selwink wrote:
He's at 75MO right now, which seems about fine to me. Maybe he could get his REC bumped a little from 69.
That's what I was thinking. Clearly 69 recovery puts him near the bottom of that category, and I don't think he belongs there. Recovery seems to be something he's good at considering his second and third week performances. But 75 mountain seems about right I suppose.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 28-05-2016 17:48
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
81: Nibali and Kruijswijk
80: Valverde and Chaves
79: Majka, Zakarin
78: Jungels; Uran, Nieve
77: Amador, Pozzovivo, Fuglsang, Scarponi What about our bet?
Also Nibali still deserves 82 after the last 2 days
Yes Nibali avatar now! 
No but still he deserves 82 REC 
Edited by Arberg27 on 28-05-2016 17:57
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 28-05-2016 18:13
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Arberg27 wrote:
81: Nibali and Kruijswijk
80: Valverde and Chaves
79: Majka, Zakarin
78: Jungels; Uran, Nieve
77: Amador, Pozzovivo, Fuglsang, Scarponi
Agreed. I've never watched Majka and said to myself that's one 80 mtn rider right there. |
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Posted on 22-11-2024 21:49
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| Geslin-bouygues |
Posted on 28-05-2016 18:23
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Croatia14 wrote:
Very well spotted! Most of the guys enjoyed updates already on our planned db, which you will see in the very next update 
Not all as harsh as you are suggesting, but pointing at this direction.
Ok thanks guys ! |
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 00:39
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MO values after Guro, imo:
Niibali 82 (he won the Giro after all, no reason to downgrade him)
Kruijswijk 80 (can't upgrade much for just one good Giro, how could him be rated higher than Valverde already)
Valverde 80
Chaves 80 (same as Kruijswijk, but he should have definitely worse REC value)
Majka 79 (high rec value)
Zakarin 79
Scarponi 78 (Wow. Just impressive. Even better than Majka and in this Giro imo, but can't upgrade him too much for the same reason as Kruijswijk)
Amador 78 (low rec value)
Uran 78
Ulissi 78 (Amazing, just remember stage 18)
Jungels 77 (high rec value)
Pozzovivo 77
Fuglsang 77
Edited by marcoplv95 on 29-05-2016 00:47
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 00:46
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Jungels > Amador.
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 29-05-2016 00:48
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with uran keep in mind he had bronchitis since the time trial. yesterday was the first day he was sort of recovered but even now he isn't 100% |
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 00:49
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In this Giro yes he was, but upgrading from 73 to 78 could be way too much.
And Amador was riding for Valverde after losing pink jersey meanwhile Jungler was the team leader |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 02:11
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marcoplv95 wrote:
In this Giro yes he was, but upgrading from 73 to 78 could be way too much.
And Amador was riding for Valverde after losing pink jersey meanwhile Jungler was the team leader
Well, he was consistent and he did most of the work, when he was in groups with big guys. Also Uran needs a downgrade to 77.
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| Omloop |
Posted on 29-05-2016 02:28
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marcoplv95 wrote:
MO values after Guro, imo:
Niibali 82 (he won the Giro after all, no reason to downgrade him)
Kruijswijk 80 (can't upgrade much for just one good Giro, how could him be rated higher than Valverde already)
Valverde 80
Chaves 80 (same as Kruijswijk, but he should have definitely worse REC value)
Majka 79 (high rec value)
Zakarin 79
Scarponi 78 (Wow. Just impressive. Even better than Majka and in this Giro imo, but can't upgrade him too much for the same reason as Kruijswijk)
Amador 78 (low rec value)
Uran 78
Ulissi 78 (Amazing, just remember stage 18)
Jungels 77 (high rec value)
Pozzovivo 77
Fuglsang 77
No way is Ulissi 78. He's a good climber alright, but mainly on short hills, most of his big climbing results are part of breakaways. He shouls get around 75. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 06:32
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marcoplv95 wrote:
MO values after Guro, imo:
Niibali 82 (he won the Giro after all, no reason to downgrade him)
Kruijswijk 80 (can't upgrade much for just one good Giro, how could him be rated higher than Valverde already)
Valverde 80
Chaves 80 (same as Kruijswijk, but he should have definitely worse REC value)
Majka 79 (high rec value)
Zakarin 79
Scarponi 78 (Wow. Just impressive. Even better than Majka and in this Giro imo, but can't upgrade him too much for the same reason as Kruijswijk)
Amador 78 (low rec value)
Uran 78
Ulissi 78 (Amazing, just remember stage 18)
Jungels 77 (high rec value)
Pozzovivo 77
Fuglsang 77
Nibali wins with 1 minut to Chaves & Valverde = +2
Nibali loser with over 8 minutes to Froome = -1
Smaller time difference = Greater difference in stats xD
Greater time difference = Smaller difference in stats xD
Nibali has never ever been 82, if Froome is 83 and Contador is 82. So for me it is not a downgrade. 81 is enough to beat Chaves & Valverde with 1 minut and lose with over 8 minutes to Froome. |
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 07:52
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Said from an hater, your comment loses relevance.
Remember that there's a thing called "condition". I think that if Nibali is the guy we've seen first 18 stages of the Giro, he deserves 80, but if he's the guy we've seen last two stages, then 82 is okay.
About Ulissi: Maybe not 78 but 77 for sure, i was not talking about his wins, they was for his fighter/puncher qualities, but as a climbee he shown he CAN climb as well as people like Uran, Amador, Jungels: in stage 18 he was in breakaway and yet after being caught was with Chaves.
Uran: Yes probably deserves 77...i just don't get last stage how was him better than Chaves... |
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 08:03
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Of course giro is important but you could dont do the stats now only because this giro, for me i will put something like this:
Nibali 82 Nice Backups
Kruij: 80 Nice giro yeah but his is bigger result so far, off course a 65 on downhill
Valverde 80
Chaves 80/79( I think he deserve the 80) he finished second and do well but could have a low rec and a little resistance compared to others
Majka 79 High Rec
Zakarin 79 Low Rec Than Majka
Bob Jungels 77 seems fine with nice rec
Rigoerto Uran 78 (Altough his "bad results" 78 seems fine because of the results that they have in past, nice rec too
Amador 77 With an low Rec but nice downhill
Darwin Atapum and Siutsou 76 dont know if you agree
Scarponi 77 with nice RES/REC |
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| Unguru30 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 13:03
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Nibali - 81 (not as good as Contador and can win Giro with 81 easily)
Kruij - 80 with good REC, not a terrible descender even if he fell, maybe about 70
Chaves - 80 with lower REC than Kruij and Valverde; also 75 DO
Valverde - 80
Zakarin - 79, low DO stat, better REC since he was better than expected in the final week (bad bike handler, fell twice in the ITT)
Majka - 79
Jungels - 77 MO, HIL, TT, decent REC
Uran - hard to say, but since it is the second year in a row he didn't live up to his MO stat, 77 with good REC would seem okay to me
Amador - 77, low REC
Scarponi - 78 with good REC
Fuglsang - again difficult, would say 77/78 MO with really low REC
Pozzovivo - 77, low REC
Atapuma - 76 with good REC
Dombrowski - 75 is fine, but higher REC
Ulissi - 75
Siutsou - 76 |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 14:14
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Yeah, Nibali should only have 81. If Kruijijswijijk hadn't crashed, Nibali wouldn't had a chance.
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| marcoplv95 |
Posted on 29-05-2016 15:56
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If my grandfather had 3 balls he would have been a flipper. |
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