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Giro d'Italia 2016 - Week 1 (6th - 15th May)
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:03
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:03
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| Luxemburger |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:04
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Who spawned Viviani at Kittel's back wheel?  |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:04
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:04
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Jesus Christ, did they even try? Kittel is monster
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:04
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Skittles dominant again.
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:05
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this is why the first thing i did when the pcmdaily mod released was switch kittel to 84 sp. i don't understand how there are people that think he's not a lot better than everyone else. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:06
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Well, that escalated quickly |
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| Luxemburger |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:06
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Posted on 26-11-2024 16:59
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:06
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such power giving me at least goosebumps |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:08
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Let's wait and see how much time his lost but it could be a good thing, if he's lost time then he will get a chance to get in a break and go stage hunting which is much better than trying to hang onto the wheels of the big GC guys/teams
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:08
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Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
this is why the first thing i did when the pcmdaily mod released was switch kittel to 84 sp. i don't understand how there are people that think he's not a lot better than everyone else. +1 same here  |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:09
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Not a bad stage, they actually raced it and the finishing circuit wasn't to bad at all
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Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:11
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Could these sprint stages get any less predictable? 
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:13
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Mohoric in 10th, how did that happen?
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:14
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SotD wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Ok.
So, throwing a hill in on 3-4 stages that previously would have been completely flat is shitty? Fine you disagree, but I would appreciate if you refrain from calling an idea shitty because it doesnt float your boat.
I call it shitty because it is. You find flat stages boring. That was your main argumentative. Whether it has a small hill in the middle or not doesn't make any difference - espacially not when looking at those stages you just highlighted as being "pancake flat".
You need to determine what you really mean, otherwise it is impossible to discuss anything.
Having 3 stages suited for Kittel, Greipel and Cavendish would mean one thing: None of them would show up. Simple as that. And normally you won't find more than 3 stages - perhaps 4 - where there are no troubles in anyway. Either there are hills, cobbles or potentially echelons involved if there are more than 4 flat stages.
But it simply needs to be balanced, otherwise the Tour isn't "Grand". It's quite simple. And I think you overestimate your idea as being unique and totally discount the fact that those persons involved in designing the route are experts in making the best possible riders participate - And thus making most people follow the race.
Ok, Im just gotta ignore that then.
There are 5 "pancake flat" stages and at least 1 more for the pure sprinters, possibly 2.
3-4 pure sprint stages doesnt necessarily mean that those are the only Kittel and Cav can win, but it means that a sprint is inevitable and the result of a sprint in the end is a given.
I think 3-4 pure sprint stages is balanced, but that depends on what your aspect is. And dont give me that the persons involving in designing the route are experts - last year the Tour saw 14 kilometres of ITT and the Vuelta have seen +10 hilltops/MTF's the last freaking 5 years. That the completely opposite of balanced route. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:16
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SotD wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Ok.
So, throwing a hill in on 3-4 stages that previously would have been completely flat is shitty? Fine you disagree, but I would appreciate if you refrain from calling an idea shitty because it doesnt float your boat.
I call it shitty because it is. You find flat stages boring. That was your main argumentative. Whether it has a small hill in the middle or not doesn't make any difference - espacially not when looking at those stages you just highlighted as being "pancake flat".
You need to determine what you really mean, otherwise it is impossible to discuss anything.
Having 3 stages suited for Kittel, Greipel and Cavendish would mean one thing: None of them would show up. Simple as that. And normally you won't find more than 3 stages - perhaps 4 - where there are no troubles in anyway. Either there are hills, cobbles or potentially echelons involved if there are more than 4 flat stages.
But it simply needs to be balanced, otherwise the Tour isn't "Grand". It's quite simple. And I think you overestimate your idea as being unique and totally discount the fact that those persons involved in designing the route are experts in making the best possible riders participate - And thus making most people follow the race.
I think you're slightly misinterpreting the argument; just because you put a bump in at the end of the stage doesn't automatically mean that it's definitely not going to end in a sprint, it just means that there is actually a chance that it will result in an attacker winning rather than being a totally predictable sprint (barring misjudgements liked in that stages in the Giro last year which happen every so often). Greipel and Cavendish (not so much Kittel) have won plenty of these stages in the past, and I'm fairly sure it wouldn't stop them turning up to a GT just because they might have to work ever so slightly harder for their wins. If we're following your line of argument, it would have been totally illogical for Cavendish to turn up to the 2011 Giro, say, as there were only 2-3 properly pan-flat stages there. As for your last paragraph: if anything, it makes it more balanced as it means there are more riders and a variety of riders with different skillsets who are able to win the stages.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:18
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Finished 8th today and there were some splits in the peloton on that final circuit so maybe some guys ahead of him were caught out
Edit: Actually that does seem strange, didn't realise he was 1:01 down in the GC at the start of the day so how did he climb to 10th after finishing 8th today
Edited by Strydz on 08-05-2016 16:23
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
Melbourne Hill Rd Warrandyte
Colby Drive Belgrave South
William Rd The Patch
David Hill Rd Monbulk
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:18
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Oh man. Was watching with 30 km to go. Must've fallen asleep. Woke up once and saw 1 guy at the front. Still half-asleep I was like: huh? Hope he wins. *falls back asleep*
Woke up again. Race was over  |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 08-05-2016 16:20
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Ian Butler wrote:
Oh man. Was watching with 30 km to go. Must've fallen asleep. Woke up once and saw 1 guy at the front. Still half-asleep I was like: huh? Hope he wins. *falls back asleep*
Woke up again. Race was over
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